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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 17:47:06
August 21 2011 17:46 GMT
#5001
(P)oGs.MC vs (T)EG.PuMa Live Report Roundup!


Match 1: Xel'Naga Caverns
+ Show Spoiler +

(P)oGs.MC 0 vs 0 (T)EG.PuMa

Puma spawns as Red Terran @1
MC spawns as Blue Protoss @7

1:45
Wall off with Depot-Rax from Puma. MC going with 11-Gate.

2:25
Probe sees Puma's base. Blocks the wall-off of second depot. Sees the gas.

3:15
OC complete. No add on on the rax. Fact down. CyberCore finishes.

4:10
Bunker at top of ramp for Puma. Reactor on Rax, Tech Lab on Fact. Nexus at nat for MC.

5:20
1-1-1 for Puma. MC gets 2 more gates and Warpgate Tech.

Cloacked Banshees on the way.

6:20
Robo for MC. Nexus finishes.

6:40
2 more rax for Puma.

7:30
Cloak finishes. Obs going to the Terran base. Second Obs making. Banshee coming to Protoss base.

Obs sees it. Banshee runs.

8:30
Raven for Puma. Banshee almost getting caught by Stalkers.

9:10
MASS of SCVs and Marines coming!

9:45
2 Tanks, mass of marines and nearly all SCVs pushing into the Protoss nat.

10:30
Bunker denied but Nexus dies. PDD stops the stalkers. Protoss in retreat.

Dancing at the nat. MC 20 supply up. So many marines. Bunker going down.

11:50
MC kills the bunker, most of the marines are gone!

12:25
Puma in full retreat. MC has 20 worker lead.

13:00
Nexus replaced at the natural. Puma making marines and tanks, worried about a possible bust. MC macoring hard.

14:10
Cloaked Banshee harass at the Protoss base. No obs! Several probe kills before the banshee goes down. Archives made.

15:10
Zealot Legs researching. Second push coming. Mass of marines and 4 tanks.

16:00
The protoss army just chew through the terran ground but Bnahsees do so much damage! The Terran army is in the Protoss base! Just carnage everywhere.

17:20
PDD protecting the Banshees so well. Probes pulled!

18:00
MC microing for his life. Marines running all over the place.

19:00
MC only has probes but more supply. Banshees chewing through everything.

20:00
MC ggs!

(P)oGs.MC 0 vs 1 (T)EG.PuMa


Match 2: Terminus RE
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(P)oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.(T)PuMa

(T)PuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6
(P)MC spawns as Red Protoss @12

4:00
CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC.

5:10
Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat.

6:10
4 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot.

7:00
Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too.

8:00
Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way.

9:00
Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish.

9:30
Blink for MC. Turrets going up for Puma. +1 Weapons for Bio too.

10:30
Puma floats a fact for scouting. Third CC going up. Medivacs coming out. A single stimmed marine sees everything.

11:30
Puma has a drop floating around.

12:00
Stalkers blink and catch a medivac. Ouch. MC takes his 3rd as well.

13:00
Stalkers blink into the main and picks off raxes and addons!

13:30
Stalkers and zealots all over the terran base, controlling space then retreat. Kills off some production buildings.

14:30
2-2 done for MC. Double forge making for MC. Storm researched!

15:30
Puma going for another CC. Bio marching around the map. Forges chrono-ed.

16:30
Ghosts making. MC takes a 4th but it gets spotted. 3-3 researching for Puma.

17:30
Warp Prism making!

Armies poke at the middle. MC tries to take a 4th again.

18:30
Puma takes his 4th. Warp Prism with HTs floating around.

19:00
MC kills Puma's 4th and gets a storm on Puma's army. Puma drops MC's nat but it dies fast. Storm on the drop. Ouch.

20:00
MC takes a 5th and makes canons. EMP misses the Warp Prism. Storm all over the Terran Bio.

20:40
Puma snipes the Warp prism and loses HTs. Massacre all around. Puma's upgrades are so useful and somehow power through MC's army and continues marching forward!

22:00
MC loses so many units and his 4th.

170-130 supply in Puma's favour!

23:00
Storm on Puma, but EMPs all over the Protoss!

MC ggs!

(P)oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.(T)PuMa

MC looks pensive.


Match 3: Metalopolis
+ Show Spoiler +

(P)oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.(T)PuMa

(T)PuMa spawns as Red Terran @3
(P)MC spawns as Blue Protoss @1

2:00
Both players opening with gas.

3:00
Probe sees everything. Gets walled into the base.

4:00
Probe sees fact before it dies.

4:30
STARGATE OPENING!

5:10
1-1-1 for Puma.

6:00
Phoenix for MC, Tanks for Puma.

6:30
Wall goes down, probe runs in and sees everything.

7:15
Raven for Puma. 3 Phoenix out.

7:50
Phoenix pick off the Raven. 1 Phoenix sniped.

8:30
3 tanks and a medivac out. More raxes out. Phoenix fly over marines. Blink research. Both 1 base.

9:40
MC ninja expo to 7.

10:20
Dark Shrine up!

At this point I went to get food. But basically, MC tries to base race with DTs. Even though Puma doesn't have energy on his Orbitals for Scans, MC fails to snipe the Raven which was heavily protected with tanks and marines.

(P)oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG.(T)PuMa


Match 4: Tal'Darim Altar
+ Show Spoiler +

Not played.
(P)oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG.(T)PuMa



Match 5: Shakuras Plateau
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Not played.
(P)oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG.(T)PuMa


ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
August 21 2011 17:46 GMT
#5002
Mana randomly shows up
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
August 21 2011 17:46 GMT
#5003
damn mc looks heartbroken </3
Scrumdidlyumptious
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia235 Posts
August 21 2011 17:46 GMT
#5004
On August 22 2011 02:44 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:41 ParasitJonte wrote:
This is a nice example of meta game retardation we're seeing right now. Not only here but in GSL as well. A lot of terrans rediscovering that there's not much protoss can do against marines+tanks+raven+banshee+scv mixes from one base.

It's pretty sad and I hope we can move past it like we did before. I'm just afrad it's going to come back again and again until a patch makes it less effective.

It's not _supposed_ to be this effective in a good game. It's just not. Protoss will need to retard back almost 1 year and just do stupid one-base defenses and maybe this will go away and we can have good games.


Well said and I agree on all fronts.

Yeah. It's too bad everyone just dismisses it as whining.
Alvis
Profile Joined July 2011
876 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5005
If TvP is so imba why mana can defeat puma 2 - 0 in Group D ?
ragealot
Profile Joined July 2011
432 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5006
On August 22 2011 02:40 IMSmooth wrote:
I think i might actually not watch MLG raleigh

im sorry sundance!!! its not your fault TT


I think I'm jaded from SC2 overload because those games just bored me to tears. A break will do me good.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 17:47:31
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5007
On August 22 2011 02:44 crappen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:35 Fig wrote:
wow so sad when the best toss player in the world can't beat 1/1/1. At least there is bound to be a patch soon Always look for the silver lining.


How on earth would a patch help? What is there to patch? How can you nerf this specific build?


Make PDD an upgrade for and HSM free? PDD is undoubtedly better than HSM, swapping their costs would increase HSM usage (good for viewers) and slow down PDD (good for Protoss)
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5008
On August 22 2011 02:45 AnalThermometer wrote:
The game has shifted back to 1 basing for Terran TvP instead of towards macro play like every other matchup. That's a hint there's something wrong with the fundamental game design here.

They're really strong in a macro game too, but Protoss players atm consider 1-1-1 unbeatable (no one has a fucking clue how to do it) so why bother with the risk of a macro game?
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5009
yeaa
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
Razuik
Profile Joined October 2010
United States409 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5010
On August 22 2011 02:42 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:36 Caphe wrote:
Well, PvT metagame right now is just Terran favored. Protoss just needs sometime to cope with it. But still I think these 3 games can go either way really.
In the last game, If MC didn't leave with his stalker he can stall the Terran army even more and build up some unit to stand a head to head fight.

I wonder why every unit is weaker than it's counterpart

Storm does 40 DPS EMP does 100
Stim Mauruars do 30 DPS stalkers do 14 DPS
2 tanks do over 25 DPS a more expensive collusi do 18
Vikings own all protoss air
on own the line Protoss is just weaker.

Best way to win is outplay flanks and tricks never direct engagement. That was MC's mistake.

Since when is EMP a DPS spell? I lost all interest in your post after I saw that.
Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5011
On August 22 2011 02:43 chatuka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:38 kheldorin wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:36 hugman wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:35 hackertitan wrote:
hope blizzard do something about this situation !!! so fking frustrating

Is that all you can say after the finals? And 3 Protoss in the top4?
Grow up, the game is fine


Have you not watch the Korean matches lately? It's pure 1-1-1. Follow the Korean twitter and their community and you'll know how bad it is. The EU scene is not an indication of top level play when they all got 3-0 in the semi-final.



game 1: MC had a chance to win it. he was like 30 supply ahead.
1/1/1 was held by MC. A second 1/1/1 with cloaked banshees was not held/
MC didn't counter-attack
No cloak detection against cloaked banshees in second 1//1/1. I though it was kind of cheap of puma to do that. MC could have punished PUma second 1/1/1

game 2: MC was again ahead in supply, somehow lost.
too many expansions eating up minerals.
not enough upgrades.
Warp prisms were sniped which was a mistake.
maybe no collusus

game 3. MC got desperate and did some crazy things...
MC was counting on the hidden Expo to pay off.
the raven killed MC. He couldn't snipe it.

Summary: MC is damaged mentally from skincare korean. It's gonna take a long time to heal.
GL HF MC in up and downs. that is more important for MC's reputation at the moment.

Are you a non-thinking person? Quit saying he didn't have enough upgrades in game 2. Blink, charge, warp prism speed, storm, 2/2.

Look MC could've won any game sure. But if one guy has to play 90% of a perfect game, while the other guy plays 70% of a perfect game. The 90% guy should win. He didn't in game 1 or 2.
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5012
On August 22 2011 02:43 OnlineHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:41 izgodlee wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:35 Zane wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:34 Flanq wrote:
I love people saying MC got outplayed, Puma expanded once in 3 games.

And MC won 0 times in 3 games. Problem?


PvT~


Mana beat Puma 2-0 in group play.

Puma played really wierd against Mana (not taking away his win ofc).
i wathced the Vod and puma's multitasking and macro was really weak against him.

also he got supply blocked so many times for a long period of time, i think thats why mana outmacro'd Puma and crushed his army so convincingly.

i might be wrong, but still mana played amazingly and won fair and square against puma.

EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5013
On August 22 2011 02:46 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:37 taLbuk wrote:
Remember when zergs were crying 2 months ago about protoss being unbeatable and than they changed up their strategy and playstyle?

Protoss will do the same ,so instead of QQ'ing on forums hopefully they put their effort into finding a solution, but I'm sure the top toss are trying, granted MC just lost, look what Mana did to PuMa in group stage.


Did zerg change their gameplay?
Infestors got an insane buff.
Protoss got multiple nerfs.

I would use infestors too if I had them as toss >.>


Don't forget the spore crawler buff which has a decisive impact in the PvZ MU.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5014
Congrats to Puma. Even though you 1/1/1'd 2/3 times, I understand you had to utilise the strongest tools available to you right now. When money and pretige is on the line, you do whatever you have to, to win. I certainly would've done the same, and I'm not ashamed to admit that.

Commiserations to MC. I sympathise with you for having to face that extremely difficult build by a competent player. I could see you tried your best to hold it, but it just wasn't quite enough. Keep strong, and I've no doubt you'll bounce back.

Well, I'm signing out. Peace guys! And please keep the balance whine to minimal. We don't want the mods pulling their hair out do we?

Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5015
lol boo did not deserve it.
Williammm
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia908 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5016
I think PDD definitely needs a nerf, its in the air and it denies anything protoss has to shoot it or the raven down... regens energy and LASTS 3 MINUTES

would be more balanced if the PDD only lasts 30 seconds, seems like terran's version of an incredibly long lasting dark swarm atm
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5017
lol mc's like wut? oh i win mvp
PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5018
meh, was hoping for mana/select... ohh well
MiLesRP
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany68 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5019
To all the people who say that the raven snipe would have meant the kill:
how would 1 dt prevent an entire terran army killing the last couple of buildings?

Just curious how you thought that would work.

Anyways somewhat disappointing finals overall. MC tried valiantly but couldn't put it together. Yes Puma plays very 'abusive', but I feel like Protoss needs to find a completely new way dealing with that kind of push, but I have to agree there is a dark tunnel ahead of us until we find a counter :o
fds
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia258 Posts
August 21 2011 17:47 GMT
#5020
zomg MC!
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