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[IEM] Gamescom - Day 4 - Page 104

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-any other assorted offtopic negativism and arguments.

Enjoy this free multiday/multigame event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games!

Feel free to shoot me a PM or query me on IRC for any questions or comments. Have fun! ~Nyovne
woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
August 20 2011 13:03 GMT
#2061
did i see a small man in the front row with no hands clapping?
that was wierd i think ive been drinking too much
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 13:04:51
August 20 2011 13:03 GMT
#2062
On August 20 2011 21:56 CardG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:55 BackSideAttack wrote:
Now in retrospect, I wouldn't be surprised if Puma threw his game versus mana to avoid mc in the brackets. He was 2-0 and had the tiebreaker against Stephano in case he beat Sase.

If he came second he had to face 1st places, and MC placed 1st, it was a risk (random picking between all the 1st) so he didnt lose on purpose.


I don't think it was random ( I could be wrong), but i think its preset so that A plays B and C plays D.

PS: yeah im pretty sure its preset. I just checked IEM Cologne last year and they used the same format.
Scrumdidlyumptious
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia235 Posts
August 20 2011 13:03 GMT
#2063
Crowd is full of bastards
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
August 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2064
see barely any applause because TaKe hyped the shit out of Socke and made EVERYONE cheer for him ...
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
August 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2065
On August 20 2011 22:00 RotterdaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:57 Arkless wrote:
Lol, it's funny they play like bitter and rotter are joking. But you can tell they really don't like eachother.


You Nailed it bro. keep it between us though

LoL rotti, you're a great caster w bitter btw love the look on his face when u troll him
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 13:05:52
August 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2066
On August 20 2011 22:00 Montana[TK] wrote:
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On August 20 2011 21:59 sleepingdog wrote:
As I said, Rotterdam made the completely wrong call, Socke was expecting 111 in 2nd game. I really don't want to seem hating right now, but damn Rotti, you are better than that...


try commentating, observing and making right calls at the same time, it is hard as shit. Seriously DL Fraps and do it, it's HARD, 99% of the commentator bashing is ignorant bullshit.


I really don't want to be misunderstood on this one. It's completely natural to not always catch each detail, each drop, and so on.

But the 2nd game was casted wrong. Socke didn't expect an expand-build but blind-countered a 111 all-in. This is why he built early robo, this is why he built a useless immortal, this is why he cut probes. Consequently, this is why he ended up being behind.

And THEN come the clueless people and write about how Puma "outclassed" Socke, just because he made a wrong read. It's not about caster-hate, but people ought to realize why Socke was behind basicly the whole game. Puma tricked Socke by building the bunker, that was the crucial moment in the game. Please realize that I love Rotterdam's casting, it just annoyed me that the LR-thread was flooded with people screeming how much better Puma is, when in fact all he did the 2nd game was trick Socke into a inferior build.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
August 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2067
On August 20 2011 22:02 leungwk01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 22:01 cyclone25 wrote:
These koreans are gambling so much and always get so lucky ... MC's suicide blink or Puma going down the ramp on XelNaga ... very undeserved wins

Foreigners don't practice as efficiently as koreans so they don't deserve to win

fixed. I am sure a lot of foreigners practice as hard as Koreans. 10+ hrs.
It's just that they need to be constantly coached and have better practice partners like Koreans.
Hi!
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
August 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2068
On August 20 2011 22:02 Primal666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 22:01 cyclone25 wrote:
These koreans are gambling so much and always get so lucky ... MC's suicide blink or Puma going down the ramp on XelNaga ... very undeserved wins

If they are gambling, why are they winning every time?


Agreed, in the top level, where the differences among players are so small, pro players have to take risks to get ahead and win. Koreans take risks and because they understand the game better, their risk usually pays off.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
August 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2069
On August 20 2011 21:54 Hermanus wrote:
+1 for the guy in a wheelchair and without forearms, cheering for the players! Starcraft takes over the world, also as a spectator sport! Its nice to see

Is this the stump nerd tasteless is always talking about?
CardG
Profile Joined March 2011
France131 Posts
August 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2070
On August 20 2011 22:03 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:56 CardG wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:55 BackSideAttack wrote:
Now in retrospect, I wouldn't be surprised if Puma threw his game versus mana to avoid mc in the brackets. He was 2-0 and had the tiebreaker against Stephano in case he beat Sase.

If he came second he had to face 1st places, and MC placed 1st, it was a risk (random picking between all the 1st) so he didnt lose on purpose.


I don't think it was random ( I could be wrong), but i think its preset so that A plays B and C plays D.

Rotti said it before the matches, it was random.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
August 20 2011 13:05 GMT
#2071
On August 20 2011 22:02 Hammer442 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 22:00 hrvoje07 wrote:
Why are they bringing these top koreans? Honestly, i like MC but its boring to watch him dominate like this. IMHO they should bring out medium level code S players like Coca,clide,alive,alicia etc.

Only few foreigners can beat top koreans, and only in certain matchups in series not longer than bo3 and on a good day

note: dont say puma isnt code s quality pls, he obviously is

You don't want the best players involved? O.o
Foreigners arn't going to get better if they arn't pushed into it by being crushed.

Let me put it this way, do u want to watch 2 grandmaster vs gold games just to be able to watch grandmaster vs grandmaster finals. Im obviously exaggerating
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
August 20 2011 13:05 GMT
#2072
On August 20 2011 21:59 Montana[TK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:57 Fyzar wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:55 Micket wrote:
MC - Select 3:0
MC - Mana 3:0
Puma - Nerchio 3:0
Puma - Socke 3:0

I think there might a slight trend here.

Mana - Puma 2:0
Stephano - Puma 1:2 and very close, please stop saying there were no chances here.


all these -omg foreigners might have a chance- games happen on the first day of any event when the Koreans look jetlagged as shit.

2nd day actually. Killer is also Korean, long time code S player, maybe you should not cherry-pick your examples. Depends what your point actually is since you never actually stated anything.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
August 20 2011 13:05 GMT
#2073
On August 20 2011 22:03 Darneck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 22:02 msjakofsky wrote:
lol@"puma doesn't wish to speak, but sends this message..."

he seems like a pretty awkward guy

Just because he doesn't want to speak infront of all the people when his english skills aren't the best?


yes, just because of that. there's a translator and saying 3-4 sentences doesn't hurt any kind of man. i can see that he doesn't fancy doing it, but that's not the point
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
August 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2074
On August 20 2011 22:03 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:56 CardG wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:55 BackSideAttack wrote:
Now in retrospect, I wouldn't be surprised if Puma threw his game versus mana to avoid mc in the brackets. He was 2-0 and had the tiebreaker against Stephano in case he beat Sase.

If he came second he had to face 1st places, and MC placed 1st, it was a risk (random picking between all the 1st) so he didnt lose on purpose.


I don't think it was random ( I could be wrong), but i think its preset so that A plays B and C plays D.

PS: yeah im pretty sure its preset. I just checked IEM Cologne last year and they used the same format.

They said it was random, just like CardG wrote it down is exactly what Rotti said.
It appears I have been chosen.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
August 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2075
On August 20 2011 21:42 JKira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:40 schaf wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:38 Dezire wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:35 Buff Terrans wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:34 Bonzinator wrote:
Lol i just got that random commercial again... seriously....


AdBlocker is your friend!


i have an addblocker on for chrome, but its not blocking any of the esl commercials


because theyre from the same stream yource as the games, not taken from an ad server like the /commercial s on personal streams. adblocker cant differentiate because its the same source


Adblocker for Chrome is just inferior to Adblocker for Firefox. I switch to Firefox when I watch streams for extended periods of time because there are no stream ads at all.


I have firefox adblocker, didn't save me from those on esl stream in the breaks.
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
August 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2076
On August 20 2011 22:03 ptbl wrote:
Not impressed with German fans. Compared to MLG fans they seemed very lackluster.


it's not a pure SC2 event. if you watched HSC3 you'd know that we are awesome
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
August 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2077
On August 20 2011 22:01 zYwi3c wrote:
Crowd at IEM is terrible. Cheering only for German players ;/ Kinda sad.

This.
Same with Khaldor's casting if a German is playing, he is 200% biased. He knows it, he will not deny it and he will not care about it one bit, lol.

Kinda sad.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 13:07:04
August 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2078
On August 20 2011 22:04 CardG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 22:03 BackSideAttack wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:56 CardG wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:55 BackSideAttack wrote:
Now in retrospect, I wouldn't be surprised if Puma threw his game versus mana to avoid mc in the brackets. He was 2-0 and had the tiebreaker against Stephano in case he beat Sase.

If he came second he had to face 1st places, and MC placed 1st, it was a risk (random picking between all the 1st) so he didnt lose on purpose.


I don't think it was random ( I could be wrong), but i think its preset so that A plays B and C plays D.

Rotti said it before the matches, it was random.


I guess it was just really coincidental that the same draw happened last year.
RotterdaM
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands684 Posts
August 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2079
On August 20 2011 21:59 sleepingdog wrote:
As I said, Rotterdam made the completely wrong call, Socke was expecting 111 in 2nd game. I really don't want to seem hating right now, but damn Rotti, you are better than that...


I find it very very unlikely that anyone expects 1-1-1 on Terminus Cross map ;P aint really steppes of war , i missed the socke iview but if he said so then I apologize for making a mistake :D but it won't be the last time I'm wrong either ;P nobody is always right Puma was indeed faking it a little bit with the bunker and stuff, but I still wouldnt expect it

Hoped you guys had fun though, unfortunately not the super close semi's we expected, let's hope the Finals are going to be legendary^^
Commentatorwww.instagram.com/RotterdaM08 for pictures of cute puppies.
Radook
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden326 Posts
August 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2080
Only way Puma would have avoided MC in the semifinals was to win agaist MaNa since winners wasnt matched agaist each other.
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