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On August 11 2011 15:54 Crazypyro1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:52 Emporio wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 Crazypyro1 wrote:
DRG got blind countered. Fucking hydras are so bad in PvZ. Shouldnt use them.... DRG didn't get blind countered -___- DRG tried to blind counter and got owned. JYP went straight fucking colossus at 7 minutes. Thats not that common.... DRG lost because he went hydras and didnt scout. To be fair tho, those colossi would've been really fucking hard to scout and JYP smartly put his gateways where an overlord would scout. DRG lost cause JYP blind countered his previous builds (mass ling) imo.
is not blind counter, the extented thermal lance could have harrass the gold base all day long, and DRG can do nothing about it. why would anyone go mutalisk if they are mining a gold base, the amount of gases are the same
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On August 11 2011 15:55 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:53 MooMooMugi wrote:On August 11 2011 15:52 Emporio wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 Crazypyro1 wrote:
DRG got blind countered. Fucking hydras are so bad in PvZ. Shouldnt use them.... DRG didn't get blind countered -___- DRG tried to blind counter and got owned. This is true, DRG was expecting some sort of big gateway push off 2 bases and made hydras to counter it Neither person scouted, JYP happened to make the right tech choice and won. DRG kind of got blind countered by not scouting himself. Funny thing is if he did his usual ling/spire into infestor play he probably would have been fine. That or go hydras sooner, if he did that before the collossi came out he would've won easy.
hm, don't think the infestors would be out in time
think JYP might have also made this timing expecting ling/infestor again but dunno
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On August 11 2011 15:55 ragealot wrote:
JYP, GG WP, DRG practice ZvP, take some lessons from Nestea/Losira or even CoCa.
If only he played like first game in all the series. Last game was like DRG called tails, JYP called heads, coin flips, it ends up being heads, and that's it.
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On August 11 2011 15:55 Soulish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:52 Emporio wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 Crazypyro1 wrote:
DRG got blind countered. Fucking hydras are so bad in PvZ. Shouldnt use them.... DRG didn't get blind countered -___- DRG tried to blind counter and got owned. Test me when I say hydras don't blind counter anything bur voids. Amove hydras barely win against amove stalkers of equal numbers, and when you factor in the extra gas, it's easy tosee that hydras suck shit.
you should spend more time playing and less time posting
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On August 11 2011 15:53 MooMooMugi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:52 Emporio wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 Crazypyro1 wrote:
DRG got blind countered. Fucking hydras are so bad in PvZ. Shouldnt use them.... DRG didn't get blind countered -___- DRG tried to blind counter and got owned. This is true, DRG was expecting some sort of big gateway push off 2 bases and made hydras to counter it
Actually I think he was suspecting stargate play, unless that hydra timing was to be safe against a really big/late gateway push like a +2 7 gate blink stalker, because his hydras didnt come out until 11 or 12 minute and a 6 gate can hit as early as 9 minutes.
But maybe he would have been ready for both? but simply assumed wrong since he didn't see colossi tech.
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So happy to see a PROTOSS advance
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how come reading the comments in this thread brings ten times more insightfulness and entertainment than listening to the commentators? Moletraps idea of post-game analasys is basicly player-biased rambling about "who is actually the better player". Please analyze the games and what went wrong for DRG in the last game instead of trying to predict who is the better player based on one series.
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DRG's mechanics are rock solid but he keeps making so many questionable decisions
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Wonder if John will join us for the next match.
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On August 11 2011 15:55 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 Crazypyro1 wrote:
DRG got blind countered. Fucking hydras are so bad in PvZ. Shouldnt use them.... he went hydras vs MMA who is infamous for blue flame hellions. Idk what's with DRG sometimes. He places so solid in a lot of games and in other games it's just like... what... you havnt seen the hydra roach vs Terran games in ICCUP weekly have you? Anyway, pretty sure DRG went hydra/ling because he was expecting 6/7/8gate blink stalker to punish the gold, JYP predicted thats what DRG would prepare for and countered that, very smart play.
Man, that was ... Life vs. Jjakji, right? So weird. I still don't understand how Life won.
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On August 11 2011 15:55 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:54 eviltomahawk wrote:
No matter who won or lost, the great thing is that both players played fantastic today, providing us with a window into a refreshing fresh batch of strategies being developed in Korea.
DRG and JYP have shown tremendous potential, and I look forward to future games from them.
DRG played quite clever, but got meta-gamed hard and made some questionable decisions that cost him games. JYP struggled against a monster DRG in Game 1, but managed to show several neat tactics (STORM DROPUU) that were quite nice to see. Nice to see him rebound from a 1 game deficit and show some solid play against a solid Zerg. why can't people be more like this
most people are somewhere along these lines, just that the vocal idiots take up most of the lr thread when it comes to posts on players
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You guys are completely misreading DRG's strategy. He took the gold and was using it to spread creep towards JYP's base. He was almost to the natural, coming up the bottom lane with the creep. He was going to use this to his advantage by doing a Hydralisk timing attack against JYPs walled off FFE, which is naturally vulnerable to the range of Hydras. Most Protosses would have completely died to the Hydra push with bad positioning and inferior numbers. JYP, on the other hand, scouts the gold, and IMMEDIATELY RUSHES FOR COLOSSUS, because he had a solid guess on DRG's strategy, and going fast colossus isn't all in, he can easily transition out of it.
Did you not hear Wolf express his surprise at JYP going Robo? JYP literally went Forge, expand, cannon, gateway (scouts gold), ROBO, and then more gateways. That is not a normal Protoss build. Expand, gate, robo?!? No, its usually either stargate, which gets rolled by hydra, or more gateways. DRG's build was well designed, but JYP showed INCREDIBLE game sense in going colossus.
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On August 11 2011 15:55 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:52 ShootingStars wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 cheesemaster wrote:
DRG is still a bit overhyped i beleive. You are OBVIOUSLY wrong... he lost to a build order loss man. Hydra < Collossi One simple thing that even any damn noobest zerg on the world would do that send in one single overlord to scout the main base while DRG didn't and blindly think that he could make a creep highway and sweep Protoss easily with hydras. So that's not BO lost, that's bad and overconfident.
He sent in an OL but it got sniped before he could see the robo or the bay, which kind of happens 7 minutes into the game when you don't have speed or overseers yet.
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On August 11 2011 15:55 Soulish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:52 Emporio wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 Crazypyro1 wrote:
DRG got blind countered. Fucking hydras are so bad in PvZ. Shouldnt use them.... DRG didn't get blind countered -___- DRG tried to blind counter and got owned. Test me when I say hydras don't blind counter anything bur voids. Amove hydras barely win against amove stalkers of equal numbers, and when you factor in the extra gas, it's easy tosee that hydras suck shit.
Fun fact. Hydras move as fast as zealots. Hydras could beat a stalker army in a straight up fight... roaches could as well for less gas with the creep spread DRG was getting with the extra queen it didn't seem to be usch a terrible choice. Hydra hate seems slightly overstated.
edit: DRG has done this gold base build before. I'm sure JYP had this in the drawer to counter it.
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Casters didn't really do well covering the stuff going in game 3 =(. DRG very confidently expected stargate out of JYP. He was setting up spores at each of his hatches and then went straight to hydras. JYP gambled and hoped that DRG would do this preparation and rushed collosus tech and hid it very well and hit a very strong timing with it. At the point where drg decided to go hydras, the game was already over as there was no way he was getting a spire up before the timing hit.
DRG was just too confident in his read that JYP was going stargate (maybe dt) otherwise a very quick 6 gate timing both of which hydras are very good vs with the gold up.
In a lot of DRG games he seems to favor high % plays which there is nothing wrong with. His 6 pool in the 2nd game on Tal'Darim reflects this point. Its going to be be extremely successful given that protoss FFE most of the time + the unlikeliness of getting scouted first. Just unlucky both games 2 and 3 the protoss went twice with the more unlikely scenarios.
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I really liked JYP's warp prism loaded with HTs and warping in DTs. I hope we see more of this!
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On August 11 2011 15:53 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:52 bittman wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 Jinivus wrote:
Haha Dongranoob and his overhypedness!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUAHAH!!!!! Riiiight, he gives us 3 exciting games and loses to a protoss that actually isn't crashing like everyone else and he's overhyped? He's still code S material, but so is JYP i don't think a 6 pool and a hydralisk rush off a gold base in zvp is code s material, sorry to say
Agreed he may be code s material in TVZ but its been known for a while now that PVZ is his worst matchup, cant be code s material with a blatent weakness in a matchup IMO. I mean he played alright i guess... he overcommited to alot of units though and he seemed pretty panicky in game 2 to be honest.
Oh shit i just lost so many drones lets surprise him with mass broodlord and a few infestors and lings. I dunno he commited wayyy to heavy to broodlords in game 2, like if his infestors died (wich happened) 1 void ray wins jyp the game.
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On August 11 2011 15:57 klops wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:55 Soulish wrote:On August 11 2011 15:52 Emporio wrote:On August 11 2011 15:51 Crazypyro1 wrote:
DRG got blind countered. Fucking hydras are so bad in PvZ. Shouldnt use them.... DRG didn't get blind countered -___- DRG tried to blind counter and got owned. Test me when I say hydras don't blind counter anything bur voids. Amove hydras barely win against amove stalkers of equal numbers, and when you factor in the extra gas, it's easy tosee that hydras suck shit. you should spend more time playing and less time posting
wrong on all levels
hydras counter everything but colossi and HT. thx for playing.
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On August 11 2011 15:54 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 15:53 Deathmanbob wrote:On August 11 2011 15:44 Deathmanbob wrote:
expand to the gold...... yay this is over DRG wins. theres no way to stop a good zerg from doing this this guys a idiot ....... well I don't think expanding to gold is a great response cross positions vs FFE but it's not like DRG played that well at all. he did basically the exact wrong thing
It's really simple actually. JYP just expected Void play for some reason :/ He never scouted JYP, which is pretty stupid considering you HAVE to assume an aggressive attack, expansion, or turtle is going to come when you take the gold like that. Instead he just went... "lol protoss will 4/6 gate or voids, gogogo ling hydra." DRG did not build order lose, he straight up made a bad decision. Decision making and scouting are parts of being a good player too :/, not just mechanics and micro.
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