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On August 08 2011 19:13 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:11 Brainiac wrote:
Are protoss players really surprised that they play almost the greediest opening ever and lose to an allin? There is nothing imbalance there doodz, just play safer The greedier the opening the EASIER it is to stop this. Nexus first can crush it because you can get 5gates kicking in quickly, but no Terran is dumb enough to 1/1/1 a Nexus first because they actually have the ability to scout it
I'm pretty sure they're just trolling now. (I hope)
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On August 08 2011 19:11 Brainiac wrote:
Are protoss players really surprised that they play almost the greediest opening ever and lose to an allin? There is nothing imbalance there doodz, just play safer
If u dont have 2 bases when he pushes u just die coz u dont have enough units and cant get down your ramp...you have to expand to even have a chance
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On August 08 2011 19:13 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Guys quit whining about this build, You hear Wolf cringing at the fact at how risky Protoss is playing, but then you complain on the LR thread? Honestly you cant expect to hold that if you dont prepare correctly.
It's not risky. If the Terran techs that much there's no way he's gonna attack you early. And what is the way to prepare correctly? Because noone has figured that out yet.
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Toss just need to use more Nydus WARP PRISMS!
Forum balance advice yeah
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On August 08 2011 19:13 Giriath wrote:
Even if Tails wins this, Taeja will just 1/1/1 again and take the series.
So mad.
qft
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Usually when i hold this build it's because i 1 gate expo into 3 gate robo and add another 2 gates before they hit. Get out some immortals to lead with guardian shield and focus tanks, and go sentry zealot heavy with just a few stalkers to supplement and deal with banshee's. I'm sure its a million times harder to hold against a korean level terran though.
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On August 08 2011 19:13 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:12 HQuality wrote:On August 08 2011 19:11 SpecFire wrote:god i love Wolf doa is good too gonna miss wolf next season  he's out next? why?? i think theyre cycling in moletrap again. i think the long term casters are gonna be moletrap, doa, and wolf (someone correct me if im wrong)
all 3 are staying long term
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On August 08 2011 19:13 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:13 Drazerk wrote:On August 08 2011 19:12 Drazerk wrote:On August 08 2011 19:11 Drazerk wrote:Game Two on Bel'shir beach In the top left is  Taeja While in the bottom right is  Tails 2:00Barracks / gateway on the way as both players take their gas 3:00Core on the way for Tails 3:40Warp gate on the way for tails Taeja is getting a reactor and a second barracks
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Expansion on the way for tails with two more gateways
Taeja is getting concussive shells
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On August 08 2011 19:11 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:10 Midgetman101 wrote:On August 08 2011 19:09 itsjuspeter wrote:On August 08 2011 19:07 zeru wrote:
Wolf is so angry hahaha.
Protoss really need to find a way to hold this off. They need to be less greedy. I swear every time anyone says protoss is being too greedy by putting down a Nexus against this build should just get OUT, you HAVE TO FE, this is the last time I'm going to waste time explaining this, the OPTIMAL WAY TO HOLD THIS OF(though impossible) is to have your nexus kick in asap to make enough units. 3 gate vray shuts it down hard you should try that ^^ Cloaked banshees, lose.
This is sounding very similar to the way us Zergs sounded during GSL3.
I imagine the solution will be something arcane none of us non-pros can figure out, but I bet every pro protoss is practicing getting 1-1-1'd 10-15 times a day.
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On August 08 2011 19:13 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:11 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 19:10 Midgetman101 wrote:On August 08 2011 19:09 itsjuspeter wrote:On August 08 2011 19:07 zeru wrote:
Wolf is so angry hahaha.
Protoss really need to find a way to hold this off. They need to be less greedy. I swear every time anyone says protoss is being too greedy by putting down a Nexus against this build should just get OUT, you HAVE TO FE, this is the last time I'm going to waste time explaining this, the OPTIMAL WAY TO HOLD THIS OF(though impossible) is to have your nexus kick in asap to make enough units. 3 gate vray shuts it down hard you should try that ^^ Cloaked banshees, lose. if you follow it up with 1 phoenix and a robo and use crazy voidray micro it can work, but it's still not going to do enough vs someone who knows how to respond
Marines, lose.
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On August 08 2011 19:11 Caphe wrote:
One note for people in this thread: You can disgust/discussion this 1-1-1 all you want, but dont bash Terran or call for a nerf. This build is new, just give it some time till Protoss can figure a way out.
I am sorry but your reply is totally clueless. This build is not new at all. I do not know exactly when I saw it for the first time in GSL or even ladder, but it was like GSL1 or 2 and season 1 in ladder -_-
For some reason it fell out of fashion for a bit, even though Protoss always struggled. Now it's back in full force.
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On August 08 2011 19:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:13 Midgetman101 wrote:On August 08 2011 19:11 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 19:10 Midgetman101 wrote:On August 08 2011 19:09 itsjuspeter wrote:On August 08 2011 19:07 zeru wrote:
Wolf is so angry hahaha.
Protoss really need to find a way to hold this off. They need to be less greedy. I swear every time anyone says protoss is being too greedy by putting down a Nexus against this build should just get OUT, you HAVE TO FE, this is the last time I'm going to waste time explaining this, the OPTIMAL WAY TO HOLD THIS OF(though impossible) is to have your nexus kick in asap to make enough units. 3 gate vray shuts it down hard you should try that ^^ Cloaked banshees, lose. Hmm well cloaked banshees is the more rare version of the build so at least you have a better chance at winning haha. I know personally i go for the raven banshee tank marine all in vs toss and it works maybe 9/10 games and most of my losses come from a mistake i made. every single build today has been cloaked banshees instead of raven
I was talking more about ladder variations
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On August 08 2011 19:14 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:13 Drazerk wrote:On August 08 2011 19:13 Drazerk wrote:On August 08 2011 19:12 Drazerk wrote:On August 08 2011 19:11 Drazerk wrote:Game Two on Bel'shir beach In the top left is Taeja While in the bottom right is Tails 2:00Barracks / gateway on the way as both players take their gas 3:00Core on the way for Tails 3:40Warp gate on the way for tails Taeja is getting a reactor and a second barracks 5:00Expansion on the way for tails with two more gateways Taeja is getting concussive shells
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Failed bunker rush from Taeja
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I really liked when terrans went for 1rax push, it's so easy to hold 2 marines 2 marauders concussive with 1 zealot 2 stalkers if outmicroed
now they go 2rax with reactor first with ~6 marines ~2marauders concussive and it's just impossible to pull probes against marines, that's so sad
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On August 08 2011 19:12 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:11 radiantshadow92 wrote:
I still think 1 base collosi counters it. I still think that youre wrong T_T. Actually, I know it :D But, fast colossi is one of the ways that CAN work, be it one base or two base. Still if they do it right you die.
You need to go for colossi so quick you are expose to terran before he even commits to the 111 unfortunately.
If you scout the 111 fast enough you can drop a stargate and chrono 3 phoenixes. You won't crush the push. But you will maybe be alive.
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I like it, Taeja meta-gaming it and making him think it's the 1-1-1 but instead is doing a concussive push against 1 gate FE which is brutal.
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What's with so much whining from Protoss in this thread? If the strategy was uncounterable then it would be used every game of every match at the highest levels.
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Omg, he's doing a bunker rush all in now!
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On August 08 2011 19:13 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:09 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 19:09 itsjuspeter wrote:On August 08 2011 19:07 zeru wrote:
Wolf is so angry hahaha.
Protoss really need to find a way to hold this off. They need to be less greedy. I swear every time anyone says protoss is being too greedy by putting down a Nexus against this build should just get OUT, you HAVE TO FE, this is the last time I'm going to waste time explaining this, the OPTIMAL WAY TO HOLD THIS OF(though impossible) is to have your nexus kick in asap to make enough units. Hahhaha yeppp T_T Iunno why everyone says you have to 1base. The only way I've beaten that build off 1 base was Colossus rush. And that is just a shitty build against everything else.
SCOUT. Scout the front, get an obs, see no techlab and gas. Is it unfair that you have to scout or your build sucks, No everyone has to scout, scouting is vital
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