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On September 07 2011 11:25 SimDawg wrote:
WTF Painuser? Can you please act like you give a fuck about this broadcast for 30 seconds?
Edit: I feel like wheat needs to give a talk to people sometimes.
Quote of the night from him, imo:
"It's going to be so hard for Cruncher to hold off this all-in with no units."
Thank you for that brilliant insight...
+ Show Spoiler +And this was when he was seriously casting...
I don't know what's wrong with him tonight. Super tired or what.
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On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings.
And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams.
If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses.
Just saying.
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On September 07 2011 12:02 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 11:58 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. He does this nearly every time he loses. Its sad really. I wish geoff would smack him upside the head every time idra did this. He needs to grow up. And its hurting his gameplay. He has a terrible attitude and he will never be as good as he can be if he doesn't change. idra has had the exact same attitude ever since he started playing. he had it when everyone was all over his nuts when there was a near general consensus that he was the best foreigner. and he has it now.
Yeah but people are surpassing him now. There is a much larger talent pool now and he never was the best foreigner in sc2. And he will continue to fall if he doesnt change.
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On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying.
DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor.
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On September 07 2011 11:58 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 11:55 Mordiford wrote:On September 07 2011 11:51 taLbuk wrote:
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Idra 1- 2 Idras attitude
he beats himself lol I think that's underplaying Minigun, Chad has beaten him pretty consistently. It was a somewhat even game when he left game 1, he left early but it's not really like he left a won game, there was still work to be done there. The second game, Minigun was actually dominating for a good while but overmade probes and had like 90 army supply which couldn't deal with late game Broods. The last game, fail scouting by IdrA. nah the first game was over. there was no chance minigun could win a base trade, and idra could have made enough units off of 3 hatch to kill his army if he wanted to. it was flat out over. if u cant see that watch it again if replays come out. game 2 wasnt domination either, minigun played terrible. overmade probes, and had an awful unit comp. third game was scouting fail. not saying minigun sucks, i love his stream. but idra beat himself in each loss no doubt.
Do you realize that everytime idra loses is the same ''he beat himself'' bs?
People need to stop making excuses for him. A loss is a loss, it doesn't matter if he got outplayed, or whatever.
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On September 07 2011 12:09 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor.
So a build where you are guaranteed to be behind if it fails to do damage isn't a form of cheese?
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On September 07 2011 12:12 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:09 city42 wrote:On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor. So a build where you are guaranteed to be behind if it fails to do damage isn't a form of cheese?
dt expand is not cheese.
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On September 07 2011 12:09 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 11:58 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:55 Mordiford wrote:On September 07 2011 11:51 taLbuk wrote:
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Idra 1- 2 Idras attitude
he beats himself lol I think that's underplaying Minigun, Chad has beaten him pretty consistently. It was a somewhat even game when he left game 1, he left early but it's not really like he left a won game, there was still work to be done there. The second game, Minigun was actually dominating for a good while but overmade probes and had like 90 army supply which couldn't deal with late game Broods. The last game, fail scouting by IdrA. nah the first game was over. there was no chance minigun could win a base trade, and idra could have made enough units off of 3 hatch to kill his army if he wanted to. it was flat out over. if u cant see that watch it again if replays come out. game 2 wasnt domination either, minigun played terrible. overmade probes, and had an awful unit comp. third game was scouting fail. not saying minigun sucks, i love his stream. but idra beat himself in each loss no doubt. Do you realize that everytime idra loses is the same ''he beat himself'' bs? People need to stop making excuses for him. A loss is a loss, it doesn't matter if he got outplayed, or whatever.
No shit a loss is a loss. That doesn't mean we can't analyze the loss. It's not excuses, it's exactly what happened.
But wait, if we follow your logic, then how are people mad at Idra for gg'ing early in the 1st game if it was a loss anyway?
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On September 07 2011 12:12 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:09 city42 wrote:On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor. So a build where you are guaranteed to be behind if it fails to do damage isn't a form of cheese?
The whole point of DT expand is to get a safe exp up as fast as possible...how exactly does that lend itself to being behind economically? It's an economic build.
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On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying.
Personally, I can't see that reason holding up at all. It's a game with (eventually) a prize and pride on the line, Doing anything to win is the name of the game. I agree that it would be awesome to see amazing games from all players whenever they play, but sadly that's just not how the results business works. On the other hand, I do enjoy seeing shorter games every now and then. That was more a game of will and mind, over pure skill which I found quite interesting.
Everyone has different preferences though.. and this is the internet; People will never agree! 
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On September 07 2011 12:12 krews wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:12 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:09 city42 wrote:On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor. So a build where you are guaranteed to be behind if it fails to do damage isn't a form of cheese? dt expand is not cheese.
So 1 base muta expand isn't cheese? There's a reason that build has seen SO much less usage it's not even on the strat section anymore. It HAS to do damage or you are so behind any timing push kills you instantly. A huge Roach Hydra midgame push would kill Minigun because the time in which he'd have to catch up on econ, and choose a tech path would not be enough.
How many Tosses do you see win games after failed DT expands?
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On September 07 2011 12:14 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:12 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:09 city42 wrote:On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor. So a build where you are guaranteed to be behind if it fails to do damage isn't a form of cheese? The whole point of DT expand is to get a safe exp up as fast as possible...how exactly does that lend itself to being behind economically? It's an economic build.
WHAT?
DT expand delays your nexus and you have a lower sentry count... how the fuck is that "as fast as possible"?
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On September 07 2011 12:12 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:09 city42 wrote:On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor. So a build where you are guaranteed to be behind if it fails to do damage isn't a form of cheese?
You have no idea what you're talking about. DT expand is not an aggressive build unless your opponent forgets to scout properly. The majority of the time it's played as a safer, and economic expand.
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On September 07 2011 12:15 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:12 krews wrote:On September 07 2011 12:12 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:09 city42 wrote:On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor. So a build where you are guaranteed to be behind if it fails to do damage isn't a form of cheese? dt expand is not cheese. So 1 base muta expand isn't cheese? There's a reason that build has seen SO much less usage it's not even on the strat section anymore. It HAS to do damage or you are so behind any timing push kills you instantly. A huge Roach Hydra midgame push would kill Minigun because the time in which he'd have to catch up on econ, and choose a tech path would not be enough. How many Tosses do you see win games after failed DT expands?
MC vs idra dreamhack summer lolol ;p.
also vs Killer. other examples I'm sure.
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On September 07 2011 12:16 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:14 city42 wrote:On September 07 2011 12:12 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:09 city42 wrote:On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. DT expand isn't cheese, so your devil's advocate attempt was really poor. So a build where you are guaranteed to be behind if it fails to do damage isn't a form of cheese? The whole point of DT expand is to get a safe exp up as fast as possible...how exactly does that lend itself to being behind economically? It's an economic build. WHAT? DT expand delays your nexus and you have a lower sentry count... how the fuck is that "as fast as possible"?
Compare its nexus timing to that of 3 gate expand. Unless you're proposing that no-tech 1 gate FE is a safe opening?
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On September 07 2011 12:14 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 12:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 12:04 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 07 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:57 Valenius wrote:On September 07 2011 11:54 Flonomenalz wrote:On September 07 2011 11:50 Telcontar wrote:
How old is IdrA now? I've seen 12 year olds with more self-control and maturity than this guy. lol buddy its not that serious idra feels (and a lot of z's tend to agree) that protoss doesn't need to do stupid builds like what minigun just did, because 1 spore nullifies the entire build, and then toss is so far behind. so losing to that not only pisses him off for not scouting it (which was a dumb noob mistake, i feel no sympathy for him there) but also pisses him off for minigun resorting to it. Doesn't give him any right to act like a spoilt little child. There's no denying that he's insightful and can be a good player.. but as of right now? He's not, and he's acting like a douchebag. I don't hate him at all, I enjoy watching him stream, ITG etc. but it's just embarrasing at the moment so you've NEVER told someone to fuck off, or anything of that nature? ur a saint. In a professional setting? Nope. Idra consistently does this in professional settings. And yet he still draws 20k viewers whenever he streams. If I wanted to just play Devil's Advocate, I could say that Idra has a right to be mad at Minigun. This is a broadcasted game in which many fans will watch. One could argue that going for a cheesy build is an insult to the fans, who wan't to see exciting games instead of BO/scouting losses. Just saying. Personally, I can't see that reason holding up at all. It's a game with (eventually) a prize and pride on the line, Doing anything to win is the name of the game. I agree that it would be awesome to see amazing games from all players whenever they play, but sadly that's just not how the results business works. On the other hand, I do enjoy seeing shorter games every now and then. That was more a game of will and mind, over pure skill which I found quite interesting. Everyone has different preferences though.. and this is the internet; People will never agree!
If you have the "doing anything to win mentality", then how can you look down at a person that is frustrated after his loss? Sure it's uncalled for, but the fact that 1000 people are ready to say "LOL IDRA NOOB LOL" every single time he leaves a game has gotten stupid after a while.
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Why the hell are people discussing whether minigun's build was cheesy or not? That don't fucking matter. Progamers do whatever it takes to win. Do you really think IdrA prefers macro games because he cares about the viewers and wants to show them good games? If you don't like risky builds/rushes, just stop watching SC2 altogether. It'll be better for your mental health.
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damn, i wish all my tvp engagements went like that lol
makes it look so ez 
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