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On August 07 2011 20:43 Jakkerr wrote: wow I have never seen such a bad executed all-in at prolevel. I would have stopped that too >.>
Watch TheBest vs Slayers Min on crossfire from the super tournament :D
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On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:There you have it protosses  Thats how you counter a 111 all-in Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go
That was one of the worst executions of that build i've seen. How anyone can say that is how you're supposed to beat it is just laughable. He forgot siege, didn't use cloak. Only scanned once, Had his push delayed so much because of forgetting things and didn't even have a raven for the stalkers...
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Come on Thorzain
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On August 07 2011 20:45 EmilA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:44 shabby wrote:On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote: I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan. It's OK to not have siege mode, but it's never OK not to have raven. Don't think that build was polished enough from Tarson. What are you talking about lol, a raven is a liability in that push.
You realize his entire defense was stalkers? PDD makes all the difference. I have no idea what he spent all his gas on. No cloak, no siege, no raven.
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On August 07 2011 20:45 Pippi wrote: Why try to cheese Naniwa, have he ever lost to cheese? :o
yep i can't remember
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On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:There you have it protosses  Thats how you counter a 111 all-in Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go Raven is really not the best lol. He should have not researched cloack for faster siege and added 2rax if he wanted to commit (I really don't think there were added since he had so few marines). he probably don't use this build often
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On August 07 2011 20:43 SkyTheUnknown wrote: Tarson forgot siege. Well not going to pity a player who goes all in strat and fails with it.
I dont think he forgot siege. It seemed like he decided not to go for siege and go for cloak instead, but got siege eventually as things weren't looking too good.
Didn't really like tht variation of the all-in. The classic siege mode, no cloak raven one would've been much stronger against Naniwa's composition
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yeah tarson screwed it up. But naniwa did show some glimpses of how to deal with it. Like engaging way before terran player is ready. Perhaps if naniwa was even more aggressive, could have picked out 1 or 2 banshees that were scouting.
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On August 07 2011 20:44 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:There you have it protosses  Thats how you counter a 111 all-in Not at all  That's how you 100% screw up a 111 all-in as a terran player. The korean version is 100x better. yea but naniwa didn't know tarson was going to fuck up that badly, or not get siege mode so his response should still be sound. chrono as many immortals as you can, use initial stalker/sentry to chip away at his units and delay the push, powering up to 5gates, probe cut at 40 (might have cut sooner, not sure if intentional).
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On August 07 2011 20:45 Pippi wrote: Why try to cheese Naniwa, have he ever lost to cheese? :o
Yep, SaSe vs Naniwa Road to Korea game 5. SaSe had a slightly better proxy GW rush than Naniwa.
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On August 07 2011 20:45 EmilA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:44 shabby wrote:On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote: I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan. It's OK to not have siege mode, but it's never OK not to have raven. Don't think that build was polished enough from Tarson. What are you talking about lol, a raven is a liability in that push.
Think people are mixing up the Polt and this, I know some people don't get cloak and get a Raven instead, but usually the push goes without a raven, or at least the Raven is very late.
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BTW, lol'ing at Rotterdam's Dutch sayings. "That's certainly something he can come home with" a direct translation from Dutch to English :D
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Yeah doesn't make sense at all to pull scv that early if he intends to wait for siege mode. The scvs could have mined longer and he could have churned out more stuff.
Just a very poor attempt at 1-1-1 by Tarson.
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On August 07 2011 20:44 _Repo wrote: Not sure how anyone can respect tarson, he got destroyed by idra 3 times in the HSC at macro games, then resorted to all in's because he didnt stand a chance past 10 minutes, he even admitted this in an interview.
I see he has not changed. Yeah. When was the last time Idra won against Naniwa ? Go away troll ...
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On August 07 2011 20:45 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote: I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan. Then you haven't seen many games.
Please point out some professional level games where a toss has held a 111 that was executed well. Please.
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Fff Tarson is like 30 and on stage he behaves like he is 12
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On August 07 2011 20:45 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:43 Jakkerr wrote: wow I have never seen such a bad executed all-in at prolevel. I would have stopped that too >.> Watch TheBest vs Slayers Min on crossfire from the super tournament :D That game was just silly. G3 is so funny to watch tho
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On August 07 2011 20:46 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:There you have it protosses  Thats how you counter a 111 all-in Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go That was one of the worst executions of that build i've seen. How anyone can say that is how you're supposed to beat it is just laughable. He forgot siege, didn't use cloak. Only scanned once, Had his push delayed so much because of forgetting things and didn't even have a raven for the stalkers... Thank you for rephrasing what I said!
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On August 07 2011 20:45 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote: I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan. Then you haven't seen many games.
Errrr, he's kinda right. Executed properly that build almost always kills protoss.
Don't play toss either so not whining.
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