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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
August 07 2011 11:45 GMT
#961
On August 07 2011 20:43 Jakkerr wrote:
wow I have never seen such a bad executed all-in at prolevel.
I would have stopped that too >.>


Watch TheBest vs Slayers Min on crossfire from the super tournament :D
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TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#962
On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:
There you have it protosses Thats how you counter a 111 all-in

Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha

Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go


That was one of the worst executions of that build i've seen. How anyone can say that is how you're supposed to beat it is just laughable. He forgot siege, didn't use cloak. Only scanned once, Had his push delayed so much because of forgetting things and didn't even have a raven for the stalkers...
lollyz
Profile Joined April 2011
218 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#963
Come on Thorzain
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#964
On August 07 2011 20:45 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:44 shabby wrote:
On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote:
I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan.


It's OK to not have siege mode, but it's never OK not to have raven. Don't think that build was polished enough from Tarson.


What are you talking about lol, a raven is a liability in that push.


You realize his entire defense was stalkers? PDD makes all the difference. I have no idea what he spent all his gas on. No cloak, no siege, no raven.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
TaoTeKing
Profile Joined April 2011
France481 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#965
On August 07 2011 20:45 Pippi wrote:
Why try to cheese Naniwa, have he ever lost to cheese? :o


yep i can't remember
Zerg imba^^
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#966
On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:
There you have it protosses Thats how you counter a 111 all-in

Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha

Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go

Raven is really not the best lol.
He should have not researched cloack for faster siege and added 2rax if he wanted to commit (I really don't think there were added since he had so few marines).
he probably don't use this build often
WriterMaru
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#967
On August 07 2011 20:43 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Tarson forgot siege. Well not going to pity a player who goes all in strat and fails with it.


I dont think he forgot siege. It seemed like he decided not to go for siege and go for cloak instead, but got siege eventually as things weren't looking too good.

Didn't really like tht variation of the all-in. The classic siege mode, no cloak raven one would've been much stronger against Naniwa's composition
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#968
yeah tarson screwed it up. But naniwa did show some glimpses of how to deal with it. Like engaging way before terran player is ready. Perhaps if naniwa was even more aggressive, could have picked out 1 or 2 banshees that were scouting.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#969
On August 07 2011 20:44 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:
There you have it protosses Thats how you counter a 111 all-in


Not at all
That's how you 100% screw up a 111 all-in as a terran player.
The korean version is 100x better.

yea but naniwa didn't know tarson was going to fuck up that badly, or not get siege mode so his response should still be sound. chrono as many immortals as you can, use initial stalker/sentry to chip away at his units and delay the push, powering up to 5gates, probe cut at 40 (might have cut sooner, not sure if intentional).
TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#970
On August 07 2011 20:45 Pippi wrote:
Why try to cheese Naniwa, have he ever lost to cheese? :o


Yep, SaSe vs Naniwa Road to Korea game 5. SaSe had a slightly better proxy GW rush than Naniwa.
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Worldatlarge
Profile Joined June 2011
United States649 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#971
On August 07 2011 20:45 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:44 shabby wrote:
On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote:
I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan.


It's OK to not have siege mode, but it's never OK not to have raven. Don't think that build was polished enough from Tarson.


What are you talking about lol, a raven is a liability in that push.


Think people are mixing up the Polt and this, I know some people don't get cloak and get a Raven instead, but usually the push goes without a raven, or at least the Raven is very late.
Chezus
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands427 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#972
BTW, lol'ing at Rotterdam's Dutch sayings. "That's certainly something he can come home with" a direct translation from Dutch to English :D
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#973
Yeah doesn't make sense at all to pull scv that early if he intends to wait for siege mode. The scvs could have mined longer and he could have churned out more stuff.

Just a very poor attempt at 1-1-1 by Tarson.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#974
On August 07 2011 20:44 _Repo wrote:
Not sure how anyone can respect tarson, he got destroyed by idra 3 times in the HSC at macro games, then resorted to all in's because he didnt stand a chance past 10 minutes, he even admitted this in an interview.

I see he has not changed.

Yeah. When was the last time Idra won against Naniwa ? Go away troll ...
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#975
Carmac announcement: Tarson is the real winner. Naniwa is out

+ Show Spoiler +


just kidding :D

CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
PeggyHill
Profile Joined February 2011
1494 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#976
On August 07 2011 20:45 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote:
I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan.

Then you haven't seen many games.


Please point out some professional level games where a toss has held a 111 that was executed well. Please.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#977
Fff Tarson is like 30 and on stage he behaves like he is 12
Dating thread on TL LUL
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
August 07 2011 11:46 GMT
#978
On August 07 2011 20:45 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:43 Jakkerr wrote:
wow I have never seen such a bad executed all-in at prolevel.
I would have stopped that too >.>


Watch TheBest vs Slayers Min on crossfire from the super tournament :D

That game was just silly. G3 is so funny to watch tho
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
August 07 2011 11:47 GMT
#979
On August 07 2011 20:46 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:
On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:
There you have it protosses Thats how you counter a 111 all-in

Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha

Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go


That was one of the worst executions of that build i've seen. How anyone can say that is how you're supposed to beat it is just laughable. He forgot siege, didn't use cloak. Only scanned once, Had his push delayed so much because of forgetting things and didn't even have a raven for the stalkers...

Thank you for rephrasing what I said!
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 07 2011 11:47 GMT
#980
On August 07 2011 20:45 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote:
I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan.

Then you haven't seen many games.


Errrr, he's kinda right. Executed properly that build almost always kills protoss.

Don't play toss either so not whining.
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