Hello there guys! I am making this topic to show my big disappointment with Competo Cup and one of its admins - Competo|Schniiii.
In todays edition I made it to the round 5 and waited more than 30 minutes for my opponent - Toxi. Being tired of waiting more , I asked admin ( don't remember which one) for a defwin which he gave me. After my first won game in quarterfinals ( 1 round after 5th round) Toxi typed me " What the &*&^* I was doing , insulted me in many ways so I went to ask admin for his decision.
Competo|Schniii told me to finish my quarters : proof : [21:25] <ADMIN|schniiii> fresh play on ur quarters
The next game took me 10 minutes , I reported 2-0 win and went to watch Special Endrey steam - Orly vs SortOf quarterfinal cuz I saw that I was going to play nfteamBreach in semis.
During the time I played in my quarterfinal next admin said that I had to play Toxi nonetheless. But I didn't read his words cuz was busy playing obviously and later on didn't read anymore because I simply didnt need anything from admins.
After finished game between Orly and Sortof I went to read the chat . But .... just the QuakeNet chat I am showing you guys, please, help.
[20:51] == TheFreShOne [webchat@95.175.3.51] has joined #sc2.competo [20:52] <ADMIN|schniiii> jo [20:52] <ADMIN|schniiii> was gibs [20:53] <TheFreShOne> Admin , I want to report defwin in round 5 Starfresh vs ??? the opponents are not responding and I have waitied for 30 mins + [20:53] <ADMIN|schniiii> how is nur nick in the drig? [20:54] <ADMIN|schniiii> i cant find Starfresh [20:54] <TheFreShOne> STARFreSh [20:54] <ADMIN|schniiii> *grid [20:56] <ADMIN|schniiii> fixed [20:57] <TheFreShOne> thx [20:57] <Matiz_> my opponent, slivko [20:57] <Matiz_> is playing other cup for like 30 mins [20:57] <Matiz_> already [20:57] <Matiz_> actually even more [20:57] <Matiz_> should i keep waiting? [20:58] <ADMIN|schniiii> wait 5 more minutes [20:59] <ADMIN|schniiii> if he isnt available confirm 1:0 and i will accept it [20:59] <Matiz_> k [21:01] <Matiz_> I actually can't enter the score at all because his win in round4 isnt confirmed [21:02] <ADMIN|schniiii> are they playing round 4? [21:02] <Matiz_> no, they played it 40 min ago [21:02] <Matiz_> and slivko won [21:02] <Matiz_> and he said that he wants me to wait [21:02] == Yayba [webchat@83.5.214.103] has quit [Quit: Page closed] [21:02] <Matiz_> till he finished his other tourney game [21:03] <Matiz_> and the guy in round 6 is already waiting for us [21:03] == BsK^[team_less] [webchat@89.3.11.67] has joined #sc2.competo [21:03] <Matiz_> for the result of my game in round 5 [21:03] == BsK^[team_less] [webchat@89.3.11.67] has quit [Registered] [21:03] == BsK^[team_less] [webchat@BsK64.users.quakenet.org] has joined #sc2.competo [21:03] == empirehobot [webchat@dynamic-178-141-115-30.kirov.comstar-r.ru] has joined #sc2.competo [21:03] <ADMIN|schniiii> ok [21:03] <ADMIN|schniiii> now u can play [21:04] <@Competo-Sports> « www.Competo-Arena.de «•» Competo StarCraft 2 Cup «•» http://sc2.competo-cup.de/en/home/ [11.07.2011, 18:30 CET, #SC2.competo ] » [21:05] == Xaanc [~andiii@dyndsl-091-096-229-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #sc2.competo [21:06] == cocer [webchat@85.195.20.185] has quit [Quit: Page closed] [21:06] == COMPETO|Richy has changed nick to c^zZz^Richy [21:07] == oxid`CloverOFF [clover@teamoxid.de] has joined #sc2.competo [21:08] <Toxiiii> whats that [21:08] <Toxiiii> exactly [21:09] == The_13abyKnight [The_13abyK@3e6b63a3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #sc2.competo [21:10] <empirehobot> hey schiii : dBlinG: ill play gamecreds take win sorry :$ [21:10] <The_13abyKnight> need [21:10] <The_13abyKnight> admin [21:10] <empirehobot> thx for good admining and stopping griod for nothing [21:10] <The_13abyKnight> wrong result [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> in my game [21:11] <ADMIN|schniiii> round + nicks plz [21:11] <ADMIN|schniiii> and empire stop talking or u get a timeban [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> Round 4 [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> NaViBabyK [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> or [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> nick on site [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> is [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> The_13abyKnight [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> I think he posted wrong results, donno [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> I won that game [21:11] <The_13abyKnight> we just played [21:13] == anihilat0r [webchat@bp9gzr14uf.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #sc2.competo [21:14] <ADMIN|schniiii> its fixed now [21:14] <ADMIN|schniiii> contact matiz for ur next match [21:15] <ADMIN|schniiii> and tell me the result of the match [21:15] == BsK^[team_less] [webchat@BsK64.users.quakenet.org] has quit [Signed off] [21:21] <TheFreShOne> Admin here? [21:22] <ADMIN|schniiii> y [21:23] <TheFreShOne> I wont play [21:23] <TheFreShOne> a game [21:23] <TheFreShOne> in previous round [21:23] <TheFreShOne> because guy typed you [21:23] <TheFreShOne> I waited more than 30 minutes [21:23] <TheFreShOne> cuz he played another cup [21:23] <Toxiiii> ? [21:23] <Toxiiii> I PLAYED TVT 39 MINS [21:23] <Toxiiii> U FUCKING [21:23] <Toxiiii> DOUCHEBAG [21:23] <TheFreShOne> got def win and already won 1-0 in my quarters [21:23] <TheFreShOne> I wont play Toxi now [21:24] <TheFreShOne> and he is even BM [21:24] <Toxiiii> ? [21:24] <Toxiiii> and u are bm? [21:24] <Toxiiii> u take a defwin [21:24] <Toxiiii> when ur enemys [21:24] <Toxiiii> are laying [21:24] <Toxiiii> the fucking round [21:24] <TheFreShOne> after more then 30 minutes [21:24] <TheFreShOne> dont be kiddin me [21:25] == StiX [~StiX@546B06A5.cm-12-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #sc2.competo [21:25] <ADMIN|schniiii> fresh play on ur quarters [21:25] <TheFreShOne> I am [21:25] <Toxiiii> ? [21:25] <Toxiiii> whats that? [21:25] <Toxiiii> are u kidding me? [21:30] <COMPETO|bundy> go and play toxi [21:30] <COMPETO|bundy> he waited all the time [21:31] <Toxiiii> man [21:31] <Toxiiii> they are trying [21:31] <Toxiiii> to play [21:31] <Toxiiii> quarter final [21:31] <Toxiiii> i was fucking playing my round [21:31] <Toxiiii> and this retard [21:31] <Toxiiii> makes defwin [21:32] <Toxiiii> and no admin [21:32] <Toxiiii> does nothing? [21:32] <Toxiiii> WTF [21:32] <Toxiiii> IS GOING [21:32] <Toxiiii> HERE [21:32] <nfteamBreach> round 6 [21:33] <nfteamBreach> is [21:33] <nfteamBreach> bo3 yes? [21:35] == empirehobot [webchat@dynamic-178-141-115-30.kirov.comstar-r.ru] has quit [Ping timeout] [21:36] <ADMIN|schniiii> y [21:38] <Toxiiii> jesus christ [21:44] == harahar [webchat@d86-33-121-101.cust.tele2.at] has joined #sc2.competo [21:44] == harahar [webchat@d86-33-121-101.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Quit: Page closed] [21:55] == RAGE`Cyclone [RAGECyclo@79.112.138.38] has joined #sc2.competo [22:01] <nfteamBreach> so toxi vs vasilisk [22:01] <nfteamBreach> first? [22:04] == YYT|Valckrie [~YYTValckr@Valckrie.users.quakenet.org] has joined #sc2.competo [22:04] == iMEscapeBeSt [webchat@2.50.21.94] has quit [Ping timeout] [22:05] <TheFreShOne> I am in semis in you dude [22:05] <TheFreShOne> are you blind? [22:06] <TheFreShOne> GUYS [22:06] <TheFreShOne> ADMIND [22:06] <TheFreShOne> ADMIN [22:06] <TheFreShOne> ADMIN [22:06] <TheFreShOne> ADMIN I HAVE WON QUARTER FINAL [22:06] <@Competo-Sports> « www.Competo-Arena.de «•» Competo StarCraft 2 Cup «•» http://sc2.competo-cup.de/en/home/ [11.07.2011, 18:30 CET, #SC2.competo ] » [22:06] <TheFreShOne> WHAT IS GOING ON>????? [22:06] <TheFreShOne> ADMIN [22:06] <TheFreShOne> ADMIN [22:06] <nfteamBreach> so whats the matter [22:06] <TheFreShOne> I AM REALL REALLY CONFUSED [22:06] <nfteamBreach> with vasilisk thefreshone and toxi? [22:06] <TheFreShOne> Breach [22:07] <TheFreShOne> I won with vasilisk [22:07] <nfteamBreach> i dont care about anything [22:07] <TheFreShOne> admin gave me defwin for toxi [22:07] <TheFreShOne> 2 rounds ago [22:07] <TheFreShOne> and now he is in semis [22:07] <nfteamBreach> any admin here? [22:07] <TheFreShOne> I dont know what is going on [22:07] <TheFreShOne> but I am shocked really [22:07] <TheFreShOne> watching Special Endrey [22:07] <TheFreShOne> second quartr final [22:07] <TheFreShOne> and refreshed the grid [22:07] <TheFreShOne> I AM SHOCKED [22:08] <nfteamBreach> any admin here [22:08] <nfteamBreach> to enlighten me [22:08] <nfteamBreach> about the situation [22:09] <Ricedorf> Wait a sec [22:09] <nfteamBreach> i dont want to replay any game [22:09] <Ricedorf> Think Schnii is busy atm [22:09] <Ricedorf> ;D [22:09] <nfteamBreach> if i play the wrong player [22:09] <TheFreShOne> Breach [22:09] <TheFreShOne> wait [22:10] <TheFreShOne> IT IS RIDICULOUS [22:10] <nfteamBreach> toxi is playing againts vasilisk [22:10] <nfteamBreach> right now [22:10] <nfteamBreach> about the semifinals [22:11] <TheFreShOne> no [22:11] <TheFreShOne> it cannot be truth [22:11] <TheFreShOne> cannot [22:11] <TheFreShOne> I won vasilisk [22:11] <TheFreShOne> hahaah [22:11] <ADMIN|schniiii> freshone got disqualified [22:11] <TheFreShOne> WHY [22:11] <TheFreShOne> WHY? [22:11] <TheFreShOne> ADMIN? [22:11] <TheFreShOne> 21:25] <ADMIN|schniiii> fresh play on ur quarters [22:12] <TheFreShOne> I complied to this sentence [22:12] <ADMIN|schniiii> toxi plays against [22:12] <TheFreShOne> and ignored him [22:12] <ADMIN|schniiii> mXs.SR.Vasilisk [22:12] <TheFreShOne> Admin, are you ignoring me? [22:12] <ADMIN|schniiii> the winner of toxi and vasilisk is ur next enemy [22:12] <ADMIN|schniiii> @ breach [22:12] <TheFreShOne> Schnii [22:12] <nfteamBreach> ty [22:12] <nfteamBreach> schnii [22:12] <TheFreShOne> Breach [22:12] <TheFreShOne> pls [22:12] <TheFreShOne> do smth [22:13] <nfteamBreach> did you reported false? [22:13] <ADMIN|schniiii> freshone i answered ur questions, plz accept it [22:13] <TheFreShOne> It just cannot be true [22:13] <TheFreShOne> Schnii [22:13] <nfteamBreach> thefreshone [22:13] <TheFreShOne> I have just complied [22:13] <nfteamBreach> give it up [22:13] <TheFreShOne> to your [22:13] <TheFreShOne> sentence [22:13] <nfteamBreach> you will be angry but u cant do anything [22:13] <ADMIN|schniiii> freshone [22:13] <TheFreShOne> and played my quarters [22:13] <ADMIN|schniiii> u ignored ur enemy [22:13] <TheFreShOne> MY GOD [22:13] <TheFreShOne> Can I play [22:13] <TheFreShOne> Toxi [22:13] <ADMIN|schniiii> you are disqualified accept it and stop spam! [22:13] <TheFreShOne> maybe? [22:13] <TheFreShOne> WHy [22:13] <TheFreShOne> Tell me [22:13] <TheFreShOne> why [22:13] <TheFreShOne> Show me where You told me to play Toxi [22:14] <TheFreShOne> I got freewin for him [22:14] <TheFreShOne> and now he gets free win [22:14] <TheFreShOne> for me? [22:14] <TheFreShOne> PLS ;(( [22:14] <nfteamBreach> stop it please [22:14] <TheFreShOne> Breach [22:14] <TheFreShOne> I am shocked [22:14] <TheFreShOne> how can I be treated like this [22:15] <TheFreShOne> complying to what admin said before I finished my quarters with 2-0 score [22:15] <TheFreShOne> and now you want me to be calm? [22:15] <ADMIN|schniiii> one more word [22:15] <ADMIN|schniiii> and u get a timeban [22:15] <ADMIN|schniiii> accept it [22:15] == iP|Will [~will@iPWill.users.quakenet.org] has quit [Signed off] [22:15] <TheFreShOne> Schniii., at least pls let me play with Toxi
I think that after reading this, you will understand why I feel shocked and cheated by the Competo staff. I really don't know what to do. I made this topic to show... TRUTH
If they awarded you with a walkover because he didn't show up, they shouldn't be allowed to take it back after you've already played your next round of games.
people get fucked over a lot in these tournaments with too many matches and not enough admins.
one question tho: for the 30mins you spent waiting, was toxi your opponent on the bracket already? or were you waiting 30mins to find who ur opponent is cuz toxi hadn't won yet? if it's the former, you're right it's messed up, if it's the latter, you should have waited for their match to end to see who u were supposed to play. although its still messed up that an admin told you to play your quarterfinal and then another admin contradicted that decision, but w/e.
Probably a small tournament with the admins being 18-21 year old immature kids who don't know how to run a tournament. What do ya expect? If they issued you a walkover and then forgot about schniiii must just be retarded or something...when I say retarded I mean like actually handicapped mentally.
Really embarassing blunder by the admin of the tournament. Even more embarassing that he didn't even acknowledge making the mistake later on and instead banning you. So sad when these things happen, hope you'll have more luck in the future.
Sounds like a case i had with counter-strike and the admins from clanbase.
Clanbase was the most corrupted league/ladder i have ever encountered. But it doesnt matter how right you are you cant win from admins. Just tell your story and decide to never play again on the competo cup just like i did with clanbase.
On July 05 2011 05:47 aFreShTV wrote: Mios - I checked Toxi history and he played another cup with Stephano ....
oh I thought when he said he had a 47min TvT that it was the previous round. did he ask you to wait or contact you at all in those thirty minutes? anyway, I think things would have gone better if you didn't get so angry and asked schniii to talk to Bundi the admin that told you to play Toxi so he could confirm your story. but overall you got fucked and the competo admins look pretty bad here.
#Mios I could really play Toxi if I was informed by admins ( is it really a harsh to contact me on BNet????) Toxi didn't ask me to wait . The first time he typed me was after I played 1st ( 20 minutes) game in quarters with Vasilisk .
Afterall I beated Vasilisk 2-0 and he in "regame" won 2-0 with Toxi.... I .... AM .... SHOCKED... IT IS UNBELIEVEABLE!
On July 05 2011 05:52 seoul_kiM wrote: Probably a small tournament with the admins being 18-21 year old immature kids who don't know how to run a tournament.
so pls keep the hate down - you dont know any of the admins (i dont know any of them really too rofl)i will look into that - adressing this matter in such a public way might not be the best choice
Even tho i am NOT an admin of the tour - i cast i it - I can get to the bottom of this. As soon as I know more I will let you know..
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On July 05 2011 05:57 aFreShTV wrote: I know I am acting like kiddo but I will flame Competo in general whereever whenever I can: on streams for example...
I wish I was more famous... it would not happen then...
This is pretty ridiculous, I generally don't like shit being made public like this and it's preferable to work this out with the administration but if the administration reacts as they did, I can understand feeling pissed.
I hope you can sort this out Endrey, even though you aren't an admin it's cool of you to put in the effort.
Really ridiculous situation and handling by the admin.
On July 05 2011 05:52 seoul_kiM wrote: Probably a small tournament with the admins being 18-21 year old immature kids who don't know how to run a tournament.
so pls keep the hate down - you dont know any of the admins (i dont know any of them really too rofl)i will look into that - adressing this matter in such a public way might not be the best choice
Even tho i am NOT an admin of the tour - i cast i it - I can get to the bottom of this. As soon as I know more I will let you know..
On July 05 2011 05:57 aFreShTV wrote: I know I am acting like kiddo but I will flame Competo in general whereever whenever I can: on streams for example...
I wish I was more famous... it would not happen then...
this is just ... well ... no comment
I find making stuff like this public perfectly acceptable. Especially in this situation where the admin is clearly incompetent and just throwing around free wins. I think it's fair to forewarn future competitors on how ridiculous they can treat someone.
On July 05 2011 06:07 dani` wrote: Well this clearly boils down to whether or not Toxi was playing
1) A game in a different cup or 2) A game in the previous round
when you were waiting for him for 30 minutes as you said. If 1), the admins were wrong, if 2), you were wrong for requesting defwin.
not really.
if the competo admins award a walkover it doesn't matter if he was wrong requesting defwin. he even won his next round, so it's ridiculous to play a previous round.
screwup of the admins, it happens, apologize to the guy and make sure it doesn't happen again
admins should check if a request for a defwin is correct before awarding it
WoW! Seems like i am not the only one havving BIG troubles with competo organizations.
Last week i was in quarterfinals of the cup. I had to wait for a very long time for my next opponent since there were 2 more rounds to play.
Since i got a little tired i was hitting ladder for a few games. After the second or dthird ladder game i checked the grid again and guess what: My opponent got DEF win over me.
I was jsut wtf how could that happen?
Well unfortunateley i had the opponent who made it into my quarterfinals on Ignore list. I could not read when he was contacting me ofc. All he did was reporting in IRC and they gave him the win.
IF ANY OTHER PERSON WOULD HAVE MSG ME i would have quit ladder instantly and play my games ofc.
Ofc i reported in IRC but those admin just said something like if i have my opponent on ignore list and so i deserve my def loss. lol?
I did neither know what opponent i am going to face nor that i had this specific guy on ignore list. Guess there was a reason way back time since he could have asked anyone to msg me because he saw that i could not read it. Well i can be mad about this guy but the real error was made by the organisation team and the admins.
they just gave him defloss without even asking. and it was quarters. well done. that's how they care about the players. nice experience competo team.
Well thatll make you think twice about helping him eh? ^(endrey) lol..
sucks to hear this bro, seems like a mistake on their end but some error was also made by you. You shouldnt let it get too you. there are many other tourneys to play ^_^
however its apparent this situation doesn't affect me, nor do i play competitively, ill let you guys resolve it ^^
On July 05 2011 06:12 Marcus420 wrote: Well thatll make you think twice about helping him eh? ^(endrey) lol..
sucks to hear this bro, seems like a mistake on their end but some error was also made by you. You shouldnt let it get too you. there are many other tourneys to play ^_^
Still, regardless of who made the error, the behaviour of the admin is inexcusable. Toxi FLAMES the OP and the admin has nothing else to add but to threaten the OP with an IRC-ban? Really?
This is ridiculos and is an unacceptable behavior for an admin. If a defwin is given then TFO shouldn't be disqualified by any means. TFOs minimum rights should be to play against toxiii. That's the least! This is totally out of order by the admin. It messes up the reliability of competo and the admin staff. It is shocking that no other admin said anything.
On July 05 2011 06:22 aFreShTV wrote: Endray cannot do anything, I do not think he even tried or should tryy.
Which help are you hoping from then, if not Endrey`s?
Watching final streamed by Endrey right now is a pain in my chest...
Get over it, my sympathy for you is dwindling. You make a post and make a point. Endrey promises to look into it, you say he wouldn't and shouldn't do anything, then what's the whole point of this?
Is this supposed to be a pity party or do you want to get something done?
It's a shame and clearly the fault of the admin for awarding a defwin regardless of what happened with toxi, but please stop flaming it won't get you anywhere you original post is evidence enough.
Not bothered to read 4 pages of changelogs. Besides it's pointless to question the decisions of admins. It's their tournament, don't like how they run it? Don't play in the tournament.
On July 05 2011 06:47 Doso wrote: Not bothered to read 4 pages of changelogs. Besides it's pointless to question the decisions of admins. It's their tournament, don't like how they run it? Don't play in the tournament.
It's perfectly fine to post it here, a bit of naming and shaming seems to be in order.
Seems so stupid. Never played these small tournaments and never will if this is how things work there Since I got the feeling that even admins didn't know what they are doing and what they are supposed to do. idk. Well maybe some more admins would do the work, I don't know.
I think it's retarded lol at least I know a tournament to avoid now. I hope some sort of punishment is dealt to the admins running the tournament for their disorganization.
On July 05 2011 07:07 Tonttu wrote: Seems so stupid. Never played these small tournaments and never will if this is how things work there Since I got the feeling that even admins didn't know what they are doing and what they are supposed to do. idk. Well maybe some more admins would do the work, I don't know.
so you saw one player complaining about decision in a tour - all small tours are bad :§
like chill said - to many people talking in absolutes nowadays - gz you are one one of them
gg wp -
now everybody how about calming down . lets just wait what i will find out
I played in competo cup today for the first time and I think it was one of the worst organised cups. There were no admin's id on the tournament page. On irc for a long time there were no admins. People had many problems with no shows and they couldn't do anything for 1h. Never gonna play in competo again
On July 05 2011 07:07 Tonttu wrote: Seems so stupid. Never played these small tournaments and never will if this is how things work there Since I got the feeling that even admins didn't know what they are doing and what they are supposed to do. idk. Well maybe some more admins would do the work, I don't know.
so you saw one player complaining about decision in a tour - all small tours are bad :§
like chill said - to many people talking in absolutes nowadays - gz you are one one of them
gg wp -
now everybody how about calming down . lets just wait what i will find out
What is there to find out? The situation is pretty clear... No need to come in here and be the hero. Competo cup fucked this guy over, plain and simple. Your professional bias aside, why would you try to rectify this? I'm sure there were more admins in the IRC channel. None of them spoke up when it was necessary of them. Just let this guy vent and do what he wants. Competo cup deserves to be outted for this.
Wow, just from reading the chatlog, this tournament looks really badly organized. There was no attempt to check either player's story - if a player requests a freewin the least the admins have to do is to go on bnet and check what games they are playing. If they can't do that for the RO16 at least, it seems like they're not really trying.
I moderated a tournament once (going thru player history etc seemed like the least i could do), so this just disgusts me. How people can put on a facade of community and then fuck people over like they did.
You have to realize that most smaller tournaments try to rectify these mistakes. There are so many little tournaments going on at any one time that everyone really has to do their best with the structure / implementation of smaller tournaments.
This is just a slap in the face to the players, and to the fans of the game. You can say "it was just that admin's fault," but it is the obligation of the host to hire staff, and the obligation of the staff to not allow such incompetence.
That admin (and any silent / obviously afk admins in that channel) do not deserve to represent a tournament of any caliber, if this is how they treat the players that make their tournament exist.
this is just a blind hatewar right now - i will stop posting in this thread - i offered my help to resolve this in a civilized way - anyhow i forwareded everything in this thread to the people responsible on competo
The admin's been a huge dickhead, but you're not a tiny bit better, acting like you do now. Flaming the people trying to help you is not gonna get you anywhere.
Also, this:
On July 05 2011 09:40 two.watup wrote:
That admin (and any silent / obviously afk admins in that channel) do not deserve to represent a tournament of any caliber, if this is how they treat the players that make their tournament exist.
from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
On July 05 2011 06:07 dani` wrote: Well this clearly boils down to whether or not Toxi was playing
1) A game in a different cup or 2) A game in the previous round
when you were waiting for him for 30 minutes as you said. If 1), the admins were wrong, if 2), you were wrong for requesting defwin.
I feel the same way. This tournament seems quite unorganized, but I also think that small tournaments sometimes dont have enough admins to check everything, so reporting "false w.o." screws them over even more.
+ don't flame and don't troll it won't help, but thanks for the info nonetheless.
Absolutely disgusting on the admins part. I fully understand where the OP is coming from, there was no logic to the decision and if the admin awarded a free win, how can they remove it and give another free win to the other player when the guy has already won his next round.
Least the tournament should do is apologize if not more (aka remove that admin for lack of discretion and lack of ability to be fair).
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
The chat logs are ridiculous lol. You definitely deserved that win. Toxiii was over 30 minutes late because he played a 39 minute game in a different tourny. That means both his tourny games started at the same time. This is why you don't play two tournaments on the same day at the same time. Tournament admins responded terribly. Hope they get new admins after this incident.
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
I don't think accusing him of wanting attention and pity is baseless at all looking at his posts in the thread, his first post was fair and good enough, then Endrey offered to look into it and contact the administration and talk it over with them but he responds saying that Endrey wouldn't do anything and shouldn't do anything...
Then what's the whole point if you're going to blow off the guy trying to help you and then say, "My chest hurt when I saw the finals being cast booohooo". What are you looking for if not a pity party?
While i sympathize that you were awarded a walkover and then asked to replay it later on is stupid. People like you, that constantly spam chat, i have absolutely no respect for. There was never a point anywhere, whether it be in your posts here, or your IRC comments that showed any sign of maturity at all. You can see what i mean, check the timestamps on all the posts in this thread, there are a few in a row that were 5-6 minutes apart. In the IRC chat, you posted at 22:03 10 messages, 7 of them were just saying "ADMIN". Just edit your damned post and be mature. To be honest, you will find alot more people that are willing to take you seriously if you act mature about things like that. However if you act like a whiny 15 year old kid, nobody will care. Stop spamming in IRC, Stop spamming on forums. Articulate your posts and/or messages with some thought and maturity, THEN, and only then, post them.
I apologise if i come off as an ass, but thats just my opinion. Respect goes a long way.
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I would like to say though, thank you for posting in this thread, especially with a chatlog to show people what had happened instead of pointing a finger without any kind of proof. (albeit, if i were you i would have calmed down quite a bit and actually thought about what i was saying and not spamming... People are more likely to take you seriously and not treat you like a kid.)
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
I don't think accusing him of wanting attention and pity is baseless at all looking at his posts in the thread, his first post was fair and good enough, then Endrey offered to look into it and contact the administration and talk it over with them but he responds saying that Endrey wouldn't do anything and shouldn't do anything...
Then what's the whole point if you're going to blow off the guy trying to help you and then say, "My chest hurt when I saw the finals being cast booohooo". What are you looking for if not a pity party?
I think he's just being melodramatic. It just seems like that's his personality. And I don't agree with the sentiment that I'm better than someone just because they act differently than I do (not really pertaining to you, but the first guy I quoted).
On July 05 2011 11:01 jambOng wrote: 50 euros is a big deal.
To be fair I have agrued for 50 cents before. Not because I cared about the money but because it was the princple of the thing. Sometimes in life something just annoys you and it goes past the monetary value or effort.
In this case though I would have just posted what happened and let nature take its course. Instead of trying to gather a pity party. It only serves to detract from the issue at hand and question the OP's intentions/integrety.
Thanks for posting this. I'll be sure never to watch Competo Cup or support it in any way, as well as remember the names of the douchebags involved in fucking over players for no reason to make sure I don't accidentally support one of them in the future.
Stories like this piss me off. It's not a tournament if you give unfair advantages to people you know.
I'd be pissed if I was the OP too. He clearly got screwed here.
The most ridiculous thing is how the admins reacted though. They didn't apologize and threatened to ban him from IRC. It's absolutely absurd. That is some serious incompetence.
Of course you are a bit too emotional here OP. It's clear you aren't going to get justice here. The best you can hope for is an apology.
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
I don't think accusing him of wanting attention and pity is baseless at all looking at his posts in the thread, his first post was fair and good enough, then Endrey offered to look into it and contact the administration and talk it over with them but he responds saying that Endrey wouldn't do anything and shouldn't do anything...
Then what's the whole point if you're going to blow off the guy trying to help you and then say, "My chest hurt when I saw the finals being cast booohooo". What are you looking for if not a pity party?
Are you serious man? The guy could of been in the fucking finals of the tournament, he has every right to whine when he gets kicked out for something he didn't do. He's not asking for a pity party, he's asking for someone who runs the Competo cups to notice and crackdown on the admins who aren't doing a goodjob.
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
I don't think accusing him of wanting attention and pity is baseless at all looking at his posts in the thread, his first post was fair and good enough, then Endrey offered to look into it and contact the administration and talk it over with them but he responds saying that Endrey wouldn't do anything and shouldn't do anything...
Then what's the whole point if you're going to blow off the guy trying to help you and then say, "My chest hurt when I saw the finals being cast booohooo". What are you looking for if not a pity party?
Are you serious man? The guy could of been in the fucking finals of the tournament, he has every right to whine when he gets kicked out for something he didn't do. He's not asking for a pity party, he's asking for someone who runs the Competo cups to notice and crackdown on the admins who aren't doing a goodjob.
Did you miss the part where Endrey promised to help him and he blew him off and soon after continued to be melodramatic? Yes, his situation sucks, yes the admins seem to be dicks, but his attitude has been quite childish particularly after Endrey agreed to look into it, something he didn't even have to do.
On July 05 2011 06:02 Special Endrey wrote: Even tho i am NOT an admin of the tour - i cast i it - I can get to the bottom of this. As soon as I know more I will let you know..
On July 05 2011 06:22 aFreShTV wrote: Endray cannot do anything, I do not think he even tried or should tryy.
On July 05 2011 06:31 aFreShTV wrote: Watching final streamed by Endrey right now is a pain in my chest...
On July 05 2011 09:42 Special Endrey wrote: this is just a blind hatewar right now - i will stop posting in this thread - i offered my help to resolve this in a civilized way - anyhow i forwareded everything in this thread to the people responsible on competo
Competo people... badly played guys... you just lost a shit ton of people that would have eventually tuned in to your channel and now won't even try because of your incompetence.
Whenever there's a possible dispute (which it's more than likely to be if you claim a defwin) make sure to take screenshots as proof for everything, like battle.net and IRC logs, proving that you've tried to reach the guy for these 30 mins and him not showing up after his time is out and also proof for admin giving you the win. There's your proof needed and nothing I can see in the OP.
On July 05 2011 06:47 Doso wrote: Not bothered to read 4 pages of changelogs. Besides it's pointless to question the decisions of admins. It's their tournament, don't like how they run it? Don't play in the tournament.
lmao it's not as simple as that. Terrible admins should be outcastes and forced out of the business. People like waste players' time and hurt the image of their organization. If you want to allow 1 shitty admin to ruin a good organizations sc2 division just because you think his incompetence shouldn't be spoken of then you should lose your voice in this conversation because you'll only bring harm to eSports. I'm passionate about this because I was a 100% fair and hardworking admin for quite some time and trash like this helped ruin (along with many other factors) wc3 as an international eSport. This admin needs to be looked at by whoever is in charge of his division and should be given reasonable punishment. If that doesn't happen, then the organization should lose credibility. The organization needs help from us enthusiasts who actually have voices to complain to them when their admins don't function properly
If TFO has altared this info somehow or his story is fabricated, then I apologize for my words, but if not then I hope that kid receives his wake up call.
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
I don't think accusing him of wanting attention and pity is baseless at all looking at his posts in the thread, his first post was fair and good enough, then Endrey offered to look into it and contact the administration and talk it over with them but he responds saying that Endrey wouldn't do anything and shouldn't do anything...
Then what's the whole point if you're going to blow off the guy trying to help you and then say, "My chest hurt when I saw the finals being cast booohooo". What are you looking for if not a pity party?
Are you serious man? The guy could of been in the fucking finals of the tournament, he has every right to whine when he gets kicked out for something he didn't do. He's not asking for a pity party, he's asking for someone who runs the Competo cups to notice and crackdown on the admins who aren't doing a goodjob.
Did you miss the part where Endrey promised to help him and he blew him off and soon after continued to be melodramatic? Yes, his situation sucks, yes the admins seem to be dicks, but his attitude has been quite childish particularly after Endrey agreed to look into it, something he didn't even have to do.
He can be as childish as he wants. His attitude is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. He got screwed by an admin, full stop. This tournament clearly meant a lot to him and you have no business telling him it shouldn't.
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
I don't think accusing him of wanting attention and pity is baseless at all looking at his posts in the thread, his first post was fair and good enough, then Endrey offered to look into it and contact the administration and talk it over with them but he responds saying that Endrey wouldn't do anything and shouldn't do anything...
Then what's the whole point if you're going to blow off the guy trying to help you and then say, "My chest hurt when I saw the finals being cast booohooo". What are you looking for if not a pity party?
Are you serious man? The guy could of been in the fucking finals of the tournament, he has every right to whine when he gets kicked out for something he didn't do. He's not asking for a pity party, he's asking for someone who runs the Competo cups to notice and crackdown on the admins who aren't doing a goodjob.
Did you miss the part where Endrey promised to help him and he blew him off and soon after continued to be melodramatic? Yes, his situation sucks, yes the admins seem to be dicks, but his attitude has been quite childish particularly after Endrey agreed to look into it, something he didn't even have to do.
Not everyone reacts to stress in the same manner. Put yourself in his shoes and think about how ticked off you would be. I wouldn't expect him to think 100% rationally on what he says.
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
I don't think accusing him of wanting attention and pity is baseless at all looking at his posts in the thread, his first post was fair and good enough, then Endrey offered to look into it and contact the administration and talk it over with them but he responds saying that Endrey wouldn't do anything and shouldn't do anything...
Then what's the whole point if you're going to blow off the guy trying to help you and then say, "My chest hurt when I saw the finals being cast booohooo". What are you looking for if not a pity party?
Are you serious man? The guy could of been in the fucking finals of the tournament, he has every right to whine when he gets kicked out for something he didn't do. He's not asking for a pity party, he's asking for someone who runs the Competo cups to notice and crackdown on the admins who aren't doing a goodjob.
Did you miss the part where Endrey promised to help him and he blew him off and soon after continued to be melodramatic? Yes, his situation sucks, yes the admins seem to be dicks, but his attitude has been quite childish particularly after Endrey agreed to look into it, something he didn't even have to do.
He can be as childish as he wants. His attitude is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. He got screwed by an admin, full stop. This tournament clearly meant a lot to him and you have no business telling him it shouldn't.
I didn't tell him that the tournament shouldn't mean a lot to him, but presenting himself in such a manner and being abrasive in regards to the person offering him help was rather childish. I'm sorry but I guess we disagree in that regard, he can certainly be as childish as he wants, and I can just as easily call him out on being childish.
On July 05 2011 10:03 Geniuszerg wrote: from what was said in op, i felt sorry for him, but after his constant whining, he obv wantes attention and pity, srsly grow up, ok, its fine to feel bad that you've been wronged, but just make the op, and leave it as that, and give legit info if people request
Who are you, exactly? Do you seriously think he protested being thrown out of tournament, after moving into the semi-finals, with the clear permission of an admin representing said tournament, because he wanted attention and pity?
I highly doubt you would have taken wrongful disqualification in-stride as you expect the OP to do. It's not about "growing up". It's about the fact that this situation was clearly mishandled. The admins made a mistake, and rather than admitting their mistake, offering the OP an explanation or any type of resolution at all, they THREW HIM OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT. You think the only people who would be upset by this are the immature?
Sure, you could argue the OP could have conducted himself differently, but accusing him of wanting attention and pity is a completely unwarranted and baseless claim.
I don't think accusing him of wanting attention and pity is baseless at all looking at his posts in the thread, his first post was fair and good enough, then Endrey offered to look into it and contact the administration and talk it over with them but he responds saying that Endrey wouldn't do anything and shouldn't do anything...
Then what's the whole point if you're going to blow off the guy trying to help you and then say, "My chest hurt when I saw the finals being cast booohooo". What are you looking for if not a pity party?
Are you serious man? The guy could of been in the fucking finals of the tournament, he has every right to whine when he gets kicked out for something he didn't do. He's not asking for a pity party, he's asking for someone who runs the Competo cups to notice and crackdown on the admins who aren't doing a goodjob.
Did you miss the part where Endrey promised to help him and he blew him off and soon after continued to be melodramatic? Yes, his situation sucks, yes the admins seem to be dicks, but his attitude has been quite childish particularly after Endrey agreed to look into it, something he didn't even have to do.
Not everyone reacts to stress in the same manner. Put yourself in his shoes and think about how ticked off you would be. I wouldn't expect him to think 100% rationally on what he says.
I would definitely be quite upset and while people do react to stress in different ways, that doesn't make all reactions appropriate, mature or productive. I was merely pointing out that while his original post was productive and elicited a response from someone involved in the tournament in a non-administrative role, his follow up and rejection of any help was unproductive.
On July 05 2011 11:01 jambOng wrote: 50 euros is a big deal.
Could buy me a smurf SC2 acc, or a new keyboard plus another cheaper game. It's far more the problem with how the admin acted and the tournament then whether he won or lost (which is still important though as it's the whole purpose behind the tournament).
The TC's immaturity or whatever has nothing to do with the fact that the admin in question is clearly in the wrong and the TC got severely screwed.
Playing any tournament is a massive time commitment and to be ridiculously screwed out by some admin with his hand in another players pants is absolutely insulting and deserves attention.
I know i will personally call attention to this whenever possible with people i know unless i hear about the situation being rectified in some manner; treatment of this sort is just a shitty thing to do
Yeah op has a legit beef and I don't care if he's posted some hot headed things as he's still emotional about getting cheated. Can't trust these small tournies man.
Would like to see a response from anyone representing Competo. This guy should be compensated for being screwed out of a tourney from everything I've read.
But from what i see, it was just "human error"... Nothing more. No one tryed to fuck him or anything, it was just a stupid fault that shouldn't happen, but does happen from time to time...
Bad/Sad for the OP. Bad/Sad for the tourney. Bullshit.
On July 05 2011 13:59 Mordiford wrote: I didn't tell him that the tournament shouldn't mean a lot to him, but presenting himself in such a manner and being abrasive in regards to the person offering him help was rather childish. I'm sorry but I guess we disagree in that regard, he can certainly be as childish as he wants, and I can just as easily call him out on being childish.
To be honest, I can understand his frustration and vent - obviously he didn't act in the most civilized, mature way, but hell, neither did the admins.
On July 05 2011 09:42 Special Endrey wrote: this is just a blind hatewar right now - i will stop posting in this thread - i offered my help to resolve this in a civilized way - anyhow i forwareded everything in this thread to the people responsible on competo
No personal insults intended...but at first you offer to help even though this isn't "your" tournament and ask people to stop complaining and then you play the "you are all mean and evil, I will stop talking to you bad people"-card.
I mean, what did you expect from him, as far as I remember you were about to cast the EXACT match he was (apparently unjustly) DISQUALIFIED from at this time? Not the most reassuring fact for him, I assume.
On July 05 2011 17:04 Velr wrote: I understand the OP's beef.
But from what i see, it was just "human error"... Nothing more. No one tryed to fuck him or anything, it was just a stupid fault that shouldn't happen, but does happen from time to time...
Tbh the problem - at least for me, this is why I'm still posting here - was the behaviour of the admin in chat. Arrogant, condescending and not willing to discuss his complaint. Despite his opponent flaming him (what the...)
Communication is a bitch, but making sure on all ends that everything is good to go when you claim freewins is quite imortant to avoid situations like these.
Regardless situation sucks, and it could've been handled better. It's hard to administrate these big tournys though when alot of shit is going on, but going back on decisions like that is just stupid, and acting like a douche after doesnt make it better. T_T
On July 05 2011 17:04 Velr wrote: I understand the OP's beef.
But from what i see, it was just "human error"... Nothing more. No one tryed to fuck him or anything, it was just a stupid fault that shouldn't happen, but does happen from time to time...
Human error is one thing, trying to pretend it didnt happen and ban a player if he confronts the admin is just plain wrong. I hope you get ur right next time dude, free entry into the semis next tourney or something.
this thread is full of SHIT and im going to speak the truth now. i was playing a 39 mins TvT for the previous round. Mister the freshfuckface decided he had "won" because he was waiting for 30 mins, yes you're waiting because TvT is a bitch sometimes. he then invented a bunch of lies that i ignore in order to get a defwin from the admin, even before he had an opponent. when i got out of the game, and checked the bracket (30 secs after the game) thefreshone was already qualified for the next round, without any attempt to even discuss playing the game? he was even ALREADY playing vasilisk. now imagine WHO WAS ANGRY in this situation? i immediatly contacted admins to rule the case, thefreshone continued his bullshit and refused to listen to the admins, i was also talking to vasilisk because thefreshone was on "busy" and i couldnt speak to him, so the admins told me to speak to vaslisk directly. after 30 mins of debate with the admins, that thefreshone doesnt listen to, he convinced vaslisk into playing the 2nd game, which he won. none of the admins was even aware of that. then when the other admin finally read my fucking messages he told me to contact you again to play the match which i did, i first said "TALK TO THE ADMINS", then i tried to say "if u refuse to play ull get deflose" but you had me on ignore, which i told the admin, he then proceeded to disqualify you, because you know, when you dont listen to your 2 opponents and to the admins, life is a bitch sometimes. + Show Spoiler +
21:10] <Toxiiii> thefreshone
[21:10] <Toxiiii> reported
[21:11] <Toxiiii> the next round
[21:11] <Toxiiii> wtf
[21:11] <Toxiiii> is that
[21:11] <Toxiiii> he is on busy he cant read
[21:11] <Toxiiii> and he is playing next roubnd
[21:11] <Toxiiii> who the fuck
[21:11] <COMPETO|bundy> talk to his opponent
[21:12] <COMPETO|bundy> your game vs fresh is actual 0-0
There is quite big flaw in what you're writing Toxi.
Fresh stated that he waited EXACTLY on you. You stated that you were playing the PREVIOUS round.
Tell me, how the hell Fresh knew that he is facing YOU? Prophecy? Intuition? Or he just read that on brackets which means, you already FINISHED previous round?
On July 05 2011 17:36 Wilczy wrote: There is quite big flaw in what you're writing Toxi.
Fresh stated that he waited EXACTLY on you. You stated that you were playing the PREVIOUS round.
Tell me, how the hell Fresh knew that he is facing YOU? Prophecy? Intuition? Or he just read that on brackets which means, you already FINISHED previous round?
lol caught in the act.... that is actually pretty funny, he pretty much implicates himself with his post...
Plateau de Shakuras (173).SC2Replay Yesterday 4 juillet 2011, 21:08:03 => my previous round's game I can make a screenshot if you really want it. check the time on the first chatlog too. i have no idea what kind of bullshit he actually invented, maybe he told the admins either of us won when it wasnt true, then the admin updated the grid, then he said we were playing something else when we were actually playing the round, and convinced them to get a defwin.
Well considering you're kinda sorta awfully BM, anyone would have put you on ignore in that situation.
Regardless, the admins told him he had a defwin before contacting you, and they told you you had a defwin before contacting him. It's their job to double check and make sure rules are applied. They didn't do it. Ultimately it's their mystake for handling it badly.
Awesome drama. But I guess it should be easy enough to find out who is lying. Check out toxic's match history and see if he indeed was playing his competo opponent or if he was playing a game in another cup.
As I said guys , I am and was sorry for my yesterdays behaviour. I am still not that old and do not know how to be chilled in this kinds of situations. But right now I am FreSh again ( after sleeping and shower ^^) and can say that it is just a joke . I won't flame them anymore bacuse I find it pointless.
When it comes to Endrey, he is a great guy , but didn't try to "drill into" the situation according to what I saw on his stream, which is perfectly fine because he is a caster not admin.
I really do not need sympathy or pity. I just wanted to clearly show how I was screwed to not let this happen anymore to me or you guys in the future.
Once again, if you feel I overreacted, it is true . I see it now. But try to step in my shoes when I was on fire and didn't know what really was going on. Still hard to stay calm. I think it is my flaw.
On July 05 2011 17:36 Wilczy wrote: There is quite big flaw in what you're writing Toxi.
Fresh stated that he waited EXACTLY on you. You stated that you were playing the PREVIOUS round.
Tell me, how the hell Fresh knew that he is facing YOU? Prophecy? Intuition? Or he just read that on brackets which means, you already FINISHED previous round?
If that's the case, how come in the chatlogs that Fresh himself posted he doesn't know who his opponent is when asking for the walkover?
Wilczy, I added Toxii on BNet, talked to him 2 times while he was ingame, I have already waited 30 mins before he started his competo match. IF you check his history games, he played MStephano which I didnt see in the Competo brackets so I got pissed and wanted a defwin. Didn't want to waste any minute longer.
Edit : Not talked but spoke to him without any answer... I swear it is a truth. After being flamed so hard by him, winning my quarters and seeing myself ( in bracket) in semis it was obvious to Mute this BM guy. He is even insulting me in this thread...
After a re-read it just sounds like everyone behaved and responded atrociously, kind of hard to sympathize with any of you. But yeah, poor job by the administrators.
you can actually see on his chatlog my reaction after finishing the game and discovering that they are playing the quarter finals already "[21:08] <Toxiiii> whats that [21:08] <Toxiiii> exactly"
On July 05 2011 17:50 Mordiford wrote: After a re-read it just sounds like everyone behaved and responded atrociously, kind of hard to sympathize with any of you. But yeah, poor job by the administrators.
Yeah, overreacting combined with a lack of communication often results in things like this, no matter what context.
Regardless of the mistakes on both Fresh and Toxiis sides - it's the ADMIN's responsibility to sort things out. Giving the walkover to FreSh, then DQ'ing him and giving it to Toxii...... absolute bullshit. I feel for you, FreSh.
Imo, the fair and right thing to do would have been for the admins to admit their mistake and have fresh play toxii. ez pz.
On July 05 2011 17:47 aFreShTV wrote: Wilczy, I added Toxii on BNet, talked to him 2 times while he was ingame, I have already waited 30 mins before he started his competo match. IF you check his history games, he played MStephano which I didnt see in the Competo brackets so I got pissed and wanted a defwin. Didn't want to waste any minute longer.
Edit : Not talked but spoke to him without any answer... I swear it is a truth. After being flamed so hard by him, winning my quarters and seeing myself ( in bracket) in semis it was obvious to Mute this BM guy. He is even insulting me in this thread...
But seriously though, you can't request a freewin vs someone you dont even know who to play. I mean what if the other guy won, which had waited for a long time to play his game vs Toxii, and once he had won you had already aquired a freewin, due to how the bracket and schedual just wasnt synched?
seems like competo is a really bad organisation, or atleast their admins.
Sry but a good organisation would've checked at least the biggest community page (which TL is) to see if there's any feedback about their tournament. But seems like competo admins wont ever read this post.
From what I read I feel like Toxi is rly rly BM, but well FreSh also did a mistake... Good admins would've find a solution for this problem. Bad admins would ban and ignore the problem like they did.
Actually I cant believe none of competo has posted on this issue...
This is ridiculos and is an unacceptable behavior for an admin. If a defwin is given then TFO shouldn't be disqualified by any means. TFOs minimum rights should be to play against toxiii. That's the least! This is totally out of order by the admin. It messes up the reliability of competo and the admin staff. It is shocking that no other admin said anything.!
The players should stop hating each other and blame the admins, because it is obviously their fault. They gave out wrong information and made wrong decisions, that has nothing to do with the players.
Imho: Kick these admins and get better ones, toxi and freshone should apologize for being bm towards each other and then you call it a day.
But thats just my 2 cents, based on what I read in this thread.. I see no point in hating on each other.
This seems to be correctly done by the admins if toxic was actually playing during those 30 minutes his previous round match. If he was playing something else/not doying anything then fresh has a point, i think the last say goes to the admins and they made their choice.
On July 05 2011 06:11 Towni wrote: WoW! Seems like i am not the only one havving BIG troubles with competo organizations.
Last week i was in quarterfinals of the cup. I had to wait for a very long time for my next opponent since there were 2 more rounds to play.
Since i got a little tired i was hitting ladder for a few games. After the second or dthird ladder game i checked the grid again and guess what: My opponent got DEF win over me.
I was jsut wtf how could that happen?
Well unfortunateley i had the opponent who made it into my quarterfinals on Ignore list. I could not read when he was contacting me ofc. All he did was reporting in IRC and they gave him the win.
IF ANY OTHER PERSON WOULD HAVE MSG ME i would have quit ladder instantly and play my games ofc.
Ofc i reported in IRC but those admin just said something like if i have my opponent on ignore list and so i deserve my def loss. lol?
I did neither know what opponent i am going to face nor that i had this specific guy on ignore list. Guess there was a reason way back time since he could have asked anyone to msg me because he saw that i could not read it. Well i can be mad about this guy but the real error was made by the organisation team and the admins.
they just gave him defloss without even asking. and it was quarters. well done. that's how they care about the players. nice experience competo team.
Admin should be warned or banned or something as well as toxii.. One thing that i saw in the business life is that if there is something wrong goes unpunished, it continues to occer whether it's ethically or morally wrong or not..
On July 05 2011 06:11 Towni wrote: WoW! Seems like i am not the only one havving BIG troubles with competo organizations.
Last week i was in quarterfinals of the cup. I had to wait for a very long time for my next opponent since there were 2 more rounds to play.
Since i got a little tired i was hitting ladder for a few games. After the second or dthird ladder game i checked the grid again and guess what: My opponent got DEF win over me.
I was jsut wtf how could that happen?
Well unfortunateley i had the opponent who made it into my quarterfinals on Ignore list. I could not read when he was contacting me ofc. All he did was reporting in IRC and they gave him the win.
IF ANY OTHER PERSON WOULD HAVE MSG ME i would have quit ladder instantly and play my games ofc.
Ofc i reported in IRC but those admin just said something like if i have my opponent on ignore list and so i deserve my def loss. lol?
I did neither know what opponent i am going to face nor that i had this specific guy on ignore list. Guess there was a reason way back time since he could have asked anyone to msg me because he saw that i could not read it. Well i can be mad about this guy but the real error was made by the organisation team and the admins.
they just gave him defloss without even asking. and it was quarters. well done. that's how they care about the players. nice experience competo team.
Why would you put the opponents on ignore..,
Perhaps he was on ignore from a ladder game.
Anyway Toxi just the way he speak sand posts seems like full of BM, and the Admins should of stuck to the original decision. Especailly Like no one is paying attnetion that in Toxi game listings that Fresh checked had a game agaisnt Stephano which wasnt in the Competo cup... So he was most likely playing two diff tourneys at same time which is why he took so long.
Even if Toxi has a point, calling names and acting like a 12 year old (no offence to 12 year olds reading this) is just a no-no. If you think you are right, keep the honor to yourself and react calmly.
isn't this common? I waited for like 20mins for some guy, and while I was at the toilet he came back and reported me afk to admin and got def win. Stuff like that goes down.
On July 05 2011 06:47 Doso wrote: Not bothered to read 4 pages of changelogs. Besides it's pointless to question the decisions of admins. It's their tournament, don't like how they run it? Don't play in the tournament.
Well I assume he won't play in it *anymore* after they screwed him over.
It's a pity that it had to happen like this. Very irresponsible from the admins.
I regret reading this thread because now the integrity of the competo cup is harmed in my eyes, especially with no response from admins of that tournament, doubt I'll watch any more of them
On July 05 2011 19:40 alepov wrote: isn't this common? I waited for like 20mins for some guy, and while I was at the toilet he came back and reported me afk to admin and got def win. Stuff like that goes down.
Sure but did they make him replay the previous round against you after he had already played the next round in the cup and then DQ him because he thought that was a dumbass idea?
On July 05 2011 17:52 Sated wrote: Well, I won't be watching this cup any more. This is retarded.
Yeah, I agree. And I encourage everybody to do that. Missing viewers should be a proper punishment. Maybe there is something to do to block this cup in TL featured list?
Aaaaah some e-drama, this is what happens when all the kids from other games gets together in one big community. Anyone remember CS 1.6 or CoD cups? It was like this every fucking night, always conflicts about cheating, WO, admin knowing players and shit like that. I guess we will see more of that in sc2 as it evolves as a community.
On July 05 2011 06:11 Towni wrote: WoW! Seems like i am not the only one havving BIG troubles with competo organizations.
Last week i was in quarterfinals of the cup. I had to wait for a very long time for my next opponent since there were 2 more rounds to play.
Since i got a little tired i was hitting ladder for a few games. After the second or dthird ladder game i checked the grid again and guess what: My opponent got DEF win over me.
I was jsut wtf how could that happen?
Well unfortunateley i had the opponent who made it into my quarterfinals on Ignore list. I could not read when he was contacting me ofc. All he did was reporting in IRC and they gave him the win.
IF ANY OTHER PERSON WOULD HAVE MSG ME i would have quit ladder instantly and play my games ofc.
Ofc i reported in IRC but those admin just said something like if i have my opponent on ignore list and so i deserve my def loss. lol?
I did neither know what opponent i am going to face nor that i had this specific guy on ignore list. Guess there was a reason way back time since he could have asked anyone to msg me because he saw that i could not read it. Well i can be mad about this guy but the real error was made by the organisation team and the admins.
they just gave him defloss without even asking. and it was quarters. well done. that's how they care about the players. nice experience competo team.
Why would you put the opponents on ignore..,
As i mentioned - i did not know that i have this guy on ignore. did not even know that im going to face exactly him in tour. After nearly one year of playing Sc2 there it might occurs that u have to put people on ignore no?
But... with proper admin reaction this would not have been a problem at all.
On July 05 2011 17:52 Sated wrote: Well, I won't be watching this cup any more. This is retarded.
Yeah, I agree. And I encourage everybody to do that. Missing viewers should be a proper punishment. Maybe there is something to do to block this cup in TL featured list?
I agree. Bad tournament should not be feature on TL, especially bad tournament that screw players over. Maybe TL can implement a featured and non-featured function to tournaments just like the live user streams.
On July 05 2011 19:08 Godstorm wrote: This seems to be correctly done by the admins if toxic was actually playing during those 30 minutes his previous round match. If he was playing something else/not doying anything then fresh has a point, i think the last say goes to the admins and they made their choice.
While unfair to Toxi if he was playing his previous round game (admins should have checked), admins did award a defloss, the following round was played and they should not go back on their decision.
From everything else it seems the previous round opponent had to wait on Toxi to finish playing Stephano then they played 47 min tvt (during that time Fresh got a defwin and won quarters).
They should just stop allowing players to be late more than 10 min for any game, once both opponents are known games should be started within 10 minutes, afks can happen in the lobby with both agreeing. Being late due to playing in another cup is a cause to be DQd tbh.
Every time I try to watch one of these cups something stupid seems to happen and it's always at least a couple of players otherwise engaged with random other games.
As for the guy with defloss due to having opponent on ignore. You earned it. There is no reason to have anyone on ignore for more than 5 min. Always clear the list at the end of your session, most raging and spam is temporary and you'll never hear from those people again. You just get deflosses from it.
Wow, what a fascinating, disgusting car wreck of a thread we have here. There is not a single person involved in this story who comes across sympathetically. Douchiness has begotten douchiness.
That being said, wouldn't a link to Toxi's game history basically solve the mystery of who did the begetting? If he played against Stephano between Competo games, it's clear he's the slightly bigger jerk. If not, then the OP is the slightly bigger jerk.
On July 05 2011 05:52 seoul_kiM wrote: Probably a small tournament with the admins being 18-21 year old immature kids who don't know how to run a tournament.
so pls keep the hate down - you dont know any of the admins (i dont know any of them really too rofl)i will look into that - adressing this matter in such a public way might not be the best choice
Even tho i am NOT an admin of the tour - i cast i it - I can get to the bottom of this. As soon as I know more I will let you know..
On July 05 2011 05:57 aFreShTV wrote: I know I am acting like kiddo but I will flame Competo in general whereever whenever I can: on streams for example...
I wish I was more famous... it would not happen then...
this is just ... well ... no comment
He damn well should flame them publicly, he got screwed big time, and to be frank, that admin was a total a-hole and deserves every bit of flame, and more.
My $.02. Its really hard officiating. People who haven't done it don't realize that dealing with lots of impatient players who believe that they are right 100% of the time is not only infuriating, but incredibly difficult. If you're a trusting person, or if you give people the benefit of the doubt because you're frantically putting out fires you will often be screwed. Both of the players here did what players do, they tried to get whats best for them. The admins, being inexperienced and communicating poorly are 100% in the wrong. I'm not saying they're awful people or even bad admins for this, just inexperienced. They obviously don't have a set procedure for Def Win/Losses and they don't have a clear way to annotate these wins.
Whether they admit their fault (which would be the appropriate thing to do, and likely put out the fire) or not is up to them. As is whether or not they improve upon their system in the future.
Competo : 04.07.2011, 18:35 CET GameCreds: Jul. 04 - 19:15 CET both tournaments run on the same day at very close timings.
i let you guys decide.
I don't think this thread should be about which of the 2 players was right. Both could have done alot of things better. The real problem is the way these incompetent admins handled the situation.
As one of the previous posters mentioned being an admin is obviously challenging. There are soooo many cups doing it right though, I don't think this is a good excuse.
I'm behind Fresh on this one, I stopped playing competo long time ago, a cup with slow admins who are afk per 20 minutes and no seed.Facts are facts there should be apologize for what they done.
Hey, i feel with u because i had the EXACTLY same.
But not at competo, i dont remember the Cup but that was just hilarious.
I mean u get the def win! and play 2-3 more rounds win all... and then u mustä play 4 rounds before? ... shouldnt be allowed... and then u talk to the admin and he is talking about " OKay.. dont wanna play vs your opponent XY? Then he get the def win.! " wtf?
Lol after reading toxii's posts i can now definitively conclude that the Competo Cup is just a terrible mess Faults from both sides, especially the admin and the absolute failure of logic from anyone (DERP HE'S IGNORINZZ ME, I DEFWIN? => YA U DEFWIN ITS NOT LIKE ANYONE ELSE COULD MESSAGE HIM FOR YOU)
you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
not at all because there's no evidence that fresh's intention was to lie for a freewin, you must have done something for him to put you on his ignore list, and it is strange how no one knows, or could've found out you were still playing in that TvT.. Quite understandably fresh would not have wanted to contact you himself.
a really good conflict resolution software system can really help short handed admins handle these free to play large open events.
the problem is building such a system on the kinds of the software development budget of a Competo, CraftCup and the other small prize pool organizations.
Basically you need a database developers and a server admin looking to re-enforce their resume to pull this off.
First of all, the admins shouldn't get that much hate. It's really fucking hard to manage an IRC with 500+ mad and impatient players in it, most of which cannot even express themselves very well (in English). That said, the head organization (in this case COMPETO) is at fault for not providing enough manpower. If you are one of 4-5 admins who are responsible for a ton of players, you can't even afford to care for the unique player/person but you just have to solve problems and conflicts as quickly and as efficiently as you can - mishaps like this one are bound to happen at least once or twice per tournament. The thing is though that most people decide that it's not worth making as much fuzz as TheFreshOne and Toxii made here.
Enough of playing devil's advocate though: The COMPETO SC2 Cup really is a pretty bad looking cup in many regards.
There obviously are admin issues and it certainly looks like many of the admins are very immature etc. Although they make their tournament only once per week, they're still only at a 50€ + some hardware prizepool, which is weak for an event with 2 sponsors that has been around almost since release. They probably have the ugliest and worst working brackets in history. And they also seem to completely forget people (and drop them without a word) who they worked with for several months, because they decide that these people are no use for them anymore
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
not at all because there's no evidence that fresh's intention was to lie for a freewin, you must have done something for him to put you on his ignore list, and it is strange how no one knows, or could've found out you were still playing in that TvT.. Quite understandably fresh would not have wanted to contact you himself.
read his post, the whole reasoning behind it is "i have waited long enough" TADAM!!!!!!!! read my message too, you can see the chatlog of what made him ignore me : "GO TALK TO THE ADMINS" -> ignore list then "if you dont play they will give you defloss" -> i was already on ignore. he talked to me when i was in the game, at the end of it, i didnt answer because UH when im playing a 40 mins game im not wasting time in a tense game to answer my next opponent ? wether he knows or not how long he has to wait is irrelevant to how long he will actually wait anyway. noone asked thefreshone to decide himself that he had "waited long enough". i was playing another cup, how many players play different cups at the same time in europe? im not freaking hanibal lecter because i played a game against stephano, in which i didnt even try to turtle or anything but simply tried early game all in to get a fast game.. the two first rounds were a defwin and an easy game, didnt waste any time on it. this is irrelevant to the issue at stake anyways, if anyone had something to say about it it was my opponent in competo cup for the previous round WHICH WAS NOT THEFRESHONE. you guys dont even understand there is a GIGANTIC mistake in his reasoning ? i , personally, was not his opponent when he tried to get a defwin, he had NO OPPONENT, the round was being played.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
not at all because there's no evidence that fresh's intention was to lie for a freewin, you must have done something for him to put you on his ignore list, and it is strange how no one knows, or could've found out you were still playing in that TvT.. Quite understandably fresh would not have wanted to contact you himself.
More than that, it seems (not proven) based on match history that Toxi was playing Stephano in a separate tournament, not the previous round. So in fact, IF this is true, Toxi was lying and should have been disqualified.
Competo : 04.07.2011, 18:35 CET GameCreds: Jul. 04 - 19:15 CET both tournaments run on the same day at very close timings.
i let you guys decide.
I'm confused - does this even matter?
It's the player's responsibility to make sure they're planning their own schedules. A missed match is a missed match, regardless of whether your excuse was true or not.
To OP: Thank you for making this public. By keeping things like this from the community, people run the risk of allowing this kind of disorganization to become the norm..
On July 05 2011 06:11 Towni wrote: WoW! Seems like i am not the only one havving BIG troubles with competo organizations.
Last week i was in quarterfinals of the cup. I had to wait for a very long time for my next opponent since there were 2 more rounds to play.
Since i got a little tired i was hitting ladder for a few games. After the second or dthird ladder game i checked the grid again and guess what: My opponent got DEF win over me.
I was jsut wtf how could that happen?
Well unfortunateley i had the opponent who made it into my quarterfinals on Ignore list. I could not read when he was contacting me ofc. All he did was reporting in IRC and they gave him the win.
IF ANY OTHER PERSON WOULD HAVE MSG ME i would have quit ladder instantly and play my games ofc.
Ofc i reported in IRC but those admin just said something like if i have my opponent on ignore list and so i deserve my def loss. lol?
I did neither know what opponent i am going to face nor that i had this specific guy on ignore list. Guess there was a reason way back time since he could have asked anyone to msg me because he saw that i could not read it. Well i can be mad about this guy but the real error was made by the organisation team and the admins.
they just gave him defloss without even asking. and it was quarters. well done. that's how they care about the players. nice experience competo team.
Why would you put the opponents on ignore..,
Why would you not read his post?
I did neither know what opponent i am going to face nor that i had this specific guy on ignore list.
On July 06 2011 01:42 FairForever wrote: Oh well, stupid Admin decisions. Extremely unprofessional.
i know nothing about this particular admin error. i do know you pay $0 to enter the event and there is a cash prize at the end.
the player paid $0 and even if we assume his criticism is valid. He still got full value for his $0. He got nothing.
To put your name on the Map in SC2 you need to enter the Zotac, $100 CraftCups, and the Go4SC2. Sure a few decisions may not go your way.. but you need to go deep into all these events on a consistent basis in order to get onto a major SC2 team and avoid this grind.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
On July 06 2011 01:42 FairForever wrote: Oh well, stupid Admin decisions. Extremely unprofessional.
i know nothing about this particular admin error. i do know you pay $0 to enter the event and there is a cash prize at the end.
the player paid $0 and even if we assume his criticism is valid. He still got full value for his $0. He got nothing.
To put your name on the Map in SC2 you need to enter the Zotac, $100 CraftCups, and the Go4SC2. Sure a few decisions may not go your way.. but you need to go deep into all these events on a consistent basis in order to get onto a major SC2 team and avoid this grind.
So if the NASL decides to arbitrarily give Boxer first place even if Boxer loses to MC, that's okay? Because none of them paid anything to play in the tournament either right?
What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. It doesn't matter how much he paid for the tournament, that is a sunk cost. He also put in his time to earning that $50.
On July 05 2011 19:08 Godstorm wrote: This seems to be correctly done by the admins if toxic was actually playing during those 30 minutes his previous round match. If he was playing something else/not doying anything then fresh has a point, i think the last say goes to the admins and they made their choice.
As for the guy with defloss due to having opponent on ignore. You earned it. There is no reason to have anyone on ignore for more than 5 min. Always clear the list at the end of your session, most raging and spam is temporary and you'll never hear from those people again. You just get deflosses from it.
He earns to get DQd due to having a person on ignore (for a reason obviously) and not removing him after his session (who the hell does that anyway?! never heard that before lol)... I don't know what to say, if you think people deserves to get DQd from tournaments just because they ignore people then you have to be quite stupid...
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
he ignored me when i told him explicitely to go talk to the admins. yes i got angry for being disqualified because internet idiot decided to lie to the admins and get a defwin which was not deserved in any way. sorry for being human.
On July 06 2011 01:40 Toxi78 wrote: i was playing another cup, how many players play different cups at the same time in europe? im not freaking hanibal lecter because i played a game against stephano, in which i didnt even try to turtle or anything but simply tried early game all in to get a fast game..
There are many players playing two cups at the same time indeed.
But then why on earth do you think you have the right to hold up the whole tournament just because you have to play in another one? I checked your match history, and you did indeed play TWO gamescreds matches in a row before even STARTING the 39 minute TvT of competo cup. And by the way, the first of these two matches against combi took you 27 minutes....so
Btw in case you are wondering why I take sides here at all, since it doesn't concern me: I really dislike players who participate in two cups at the same time and don't have the decency to contact all the people involved by themselves and cause so much hassle for admins and opponents. Let alone the fact that you are terribly bad mannered, both in IRC and here, constantly flaming people.
On July 06 2011 01:40 Toxi78 wrote: the two first rounds were a defwin and an easy game, didnt waste any time on it.
The "easy game" - that before stephano - took you 27 minutes. Yeah, sure, didn't waste any time at all....
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
Yup.. I am not to take sides, but this is such a blatant injustice it's hard to look the other way.
Toxi, there is no proof fresh lied to anyone... there is proof though, that an admin gave him the defwin against you, because you took too long to finish your game in ANOTHER tournament. There is also proof the defwin was reversed back by another admin, apparently because he was your friend... what a bunch of assholes seriously.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
Yup.. and besides there is no proof fresh lied to anyone... there is proof an admin gave him the defwin and then it was reversed back by another, apparently because you were friends with him.
yea the admin was my girlfriend. you were not involved in this case so why would you come here and start spreading bullshit instead of just not talking at all ?
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
Don't play in 2 different cups that are clearly going to overlap.
Toxi78 you, mister, are too ignorant to see in what situacion TheFreshOne was.
He waited for an opponent for more than 30 minutes, opponent didn't show. He reported the situation to the admins, admins gave him a win.
After that, he played more games and advances further in the tournament. Then, the drama started, when admins suddenly decided to disqualify him, ban him from IRC, and let YOU play Vasilisk for some reason... You're as childlish and blind as your manners are...
At least say the truth that you played Stephano in other tournament.
You're right that's dumb. If he told you go to play your next round and you did so then he can't tell you to go back and play the earlier round that he told you was a walkover. That's ridiculous.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
he ignored me when i told him explicitely to go talk to the admins. yes i got angry for being disqualified because internet idiot decided to lie to the admins and get a defwin which was not deserved in any way. sorry for being human.
Sorry for being human?! You mean sorry for becoming a total fucktwat. Seriously both of you behave like needy self centered retards. The only good solution to this would've been to kick both of you out of the tourney and give that other dude a freewin.
In these 1 day online tournaments with large player pools, if you don't show up in time, you lose. Doesn't matter whether it's because you were playing in another tournament, or because you had another player on ignore or because you had to help an old lady cross the street.
You don't show up, you lose. Scheduling your time is your own responsibility.
On July 06 2011 01:35 drooL wrote: Just chipping in a few things:
First of all, the admins shouldn't get that much hate. It's really fucking hard to manage an IRC with 500+ mad and impatient players in it, most of which cannot even express themselves very well (in English). That said, the head organization (in this case COMPETO) is at fault for not providing enough manpower. If you are one of 4-5 admins who are responsible for a ton of players, you can't even afford to care for the unique player/person but you just have to solve problems and conflicts as quickly and as efficiently as you can - mishaps like this one are bound to happen at least once or twice per tournament. The thing is though that most people decide that it's not worth making as much fuzz as TheFreshOne and Toxii made here.
Enough of playing devil's advocate though: The COMPETO SC2 Cup really is a pretty bad looking cup in many regards.
There obviously are admin issues and it certainly looks like many of the admins are very immature etc. Although they make their tournament only once per week, they're still only at a 50€ + some hardware prizepool, which is weak for an event with 2 sponsors that has been around almost since release. They probably have the ugliest and worst working brackets in history. And they also seem to completely forget people (and drop them without a word) who they worked with for several months, because they decide that these people are no use for them anymore
You've moved on to bigger and better things, Competo stayed small.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
Yup.. and besides there is no proof fresh lied to anyone... there is proof an admin gave him the defwin and then it was reversed back by another, apparently because you were friends with him.
yea the admin was my girlfriend. you were not involved in this case so why would you come here and start spreading bullshit instead of just not talking at all ?
maybe you should consider stopping to post here. even if you would have a point (whether or not you have one doesn't matter), you make yourself look extremely bad here with your immature way to express yourself. everything has been said and you're just making a fool out of yourself.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
Don't play in 2 different cups that are clearly going to overlap.
So hard to get?
+1
Well, I find that the OP had quite a childish behaviour (screaming "ADMIN" on the IRC channel etc...) but on the other hand, Toxi had simply the wrong behaviour.
You shouldn't tell two different friends to set up a Skype conversation at the exact same hour. And in the same fashion, you shouldn't tell two competitors that you are going to face them at the exact same hour.
On July 06 2011 01:35 drooL wrote: Just chipping in a few things:
First of all, the admins shouldn't get that much hate. It's really fucking hard to manage an IRC with 500+ mad and impatient players in it, most of which cannot even express themselves very well (in English). That said, the head organization (in this case COMPETO) is at fault for not providing enough manpower. If you are one of 4-5 admins who are responsible for a ton of players, you can't even afford to care for the unique player/person but you just have to solve problems and conflicts as quickly and as efficiently as you can - mishaps like this one are bound to happen at least once or twice per tournament. The thing is though that most people decide that it's not worth making as much fuzz as TheFreshOne and Toxii made here.
Enough of playing devil's advocate though: The COMPETO SC2 Cup really is a pretty bad looking cup in many regards.
There obviously are admin issues and it certainly looks like many of the admins are very immature etc. Although they make their tournament only once per week, they're still only at a 50€ + some hardware prizepool, which is weak for an event with 2 sponsors that has been around almost since release. They probably have the ugliest and worst working brackets in history. And they also seem to completely forget people (and drop them without a word) who they worked with for several months, because they decide that these people are no use for them anymore
You've moved on to bigger and better things, Competo stayed small.
Yup, and at this point in time I cannot complain about that.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
he ignored me when i told him explicitely to go talk to the admins. yes i got angry for being disqualified because internet idiot decided to lie to the admins and get a defwin which was not deserved in any way. sorry for being human.
Sorry for being human?! You mean sorry for becoming a total fucktwat. Seriously both of you behave like needy self centered retards. The only good solution to this would've been to kick both of you out of the tourney and give that other dude a freewin.
Yeah, I actually can't feel sorry for either of them at this point considering how much everyone in the situation screwed up, just disqualifying both of them may have been the more fair decision to make.
Don't Ignore your future opponent.
If you're ignored by your opponents, tell someone else to contact them but this should generally not be necessary if you "Don't ignore your future opponents".
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
Yup.. and besides there is no proof fresh lied to anyone... there is proof an admin gave him the defwin and then it was reversed back by another, apparently because you were friends with him.
yea the admin was my girlfriend. you were not involved in this case so why would you come here and start spreading bullshit instead of just not talking at all ?
On July 06 2011 01:40 Toxi78 wrote: i was playing another cup, how many players play different cups at the same time in europe? im not freaking hanibal lecter because i played a game against stephano, in which i didnt even try to turtle or anything but simply tried early game all in to get a fast game.. the two first rounds were a defwin and an easy game, didnt waste any time on it. this is irrelevant to the issue at stake anyways, if anyone had something to say about it it was my opponent in competo cup for the previous round WHICH WAS NOT THEFRESHONE. you guys dont even understand there is a GIGANTIC mistake in his reasoning ? i , personally, was not his opponent when he tried to get a defwin, he had NO OPPONENT, the round was being played.
Alright, let me simplify that post a bit.
On July 06 2011 01:40 Toxi78 wrote: i was playing another cup
Done.
/Argument
/Thread
Don't play in another cup then. Schedule your time more efficiently. It's not a vindicating excuse to say that you were late to your match because you were playing in another tournament. You can't expect tournament admins to accommodate everyone playing in multiple tournaments at once. Otherwise nothing would ever get done, they can and should only speak to the rules and regulations of their own tournament.
Therefore, late is late. You were late. Don't be late next time.
It also doesn't help sympathizing with you when your first and subsequent posts were a trainwreck of broken sentences, vitriol, and bad manner.
On July 05 2011 06:35 xiaozirubin wrote: This is ridiculos and is an unacceptable behavior for an admin. If a defwin is given then TFO shouldn't be disqualified by any means. TFOs minimum rights should be to play against toxiii. That's the least! This is totally out of order by the admin. It messes up the reliability of competo and the admin staff. It is shocking that no other admin said anything.
What's up with all those 3-post people who take a strong interest in this issue and find stuff "shocking", just like the OP?
Admins messed up, reflects badly on the cup, you made your point, don't play in Competo anymore, done.
On July 05 2011 06:35 xiaozirubin wrote: This is ridiculos and is an unacceptable behavior for an admin. If a defwin is given then TFO shouldn't be disqualified by any means. TFOs minimum rights should be to play against toxiii. That's the least! This is totally out of order by the admin. It messes up the reliability of competo and the admin staff. It is shocking that no other admin said anything.
What's up with all those 3-post people who take a strong interest in this issue and find stuff "shocking", just like the OP?
Admins messed up, reflects badly on the cup, you made your point, don't play in Competo anymore, done.
Hey... This is a forum where people exchange their opinions and he can do so even if he has 3 posts. If he find it shocking an feel a need to share his thoughts here, i see no problem.
I hope we'll see ANY statement from the head staff of Competo Cup regarding this matter, otherwise it's just a proof for everyone that they are incopetent. And when something is incopetent, i doubt i will lay my sight on this cup in the future...
It is quite telling that no admin from Competo Cup has even bothered to clarify the situation, underlining possible competency issues within the tournament's organization.
I agree that players competing in multiple short tournaments at the same time, should not have the luxury of forcing multiple opponents/brackets to wait on them. Forcing an opponent to wait because you have to play in another tournament is definitely not an acceptable excuse, and is also poor sportsmanship.
On July 06 2011 02:33 Toxi78 wrote: okay one last freaking time, HE GOT THE RIGHT TO PLAY AGAINST ME, but he put me on ignore and refused to talk to the admins, thats why he got DQed.
"The right to play against me", you guys had the right to playy against each other while you were busy with another tourny. You should just man up and accept your loss.
On July 05 2011 06:35 xiaozirubin wrote: This is ridiculos and is an unacceptable behavior for an admin. If a defwin is given then TFO shouldn't be disqualified by any means. TFOs minimum rights should be to play against toxiii. That's the least! This is totally out of order by the admin. It messes up the reliability of competo and the admin staff. It is shocking that no other admin said anything.
What's up with all those 3-post people who take a strong interest in this issue and find stuff "shocking", just like the OP?
Admins messed up, reflects badly on the cup, you made your point, don't play in Competo anymore, done.
Hey... This is a forum where people exchange their opinions and he can do so even if he has 3 posts. If he find it shocking an feel a need to share his thoughts here, i see no problem.
I hope we'll see ANY statement from the head staff of Competo Cup regarding this matter, otherwise it's just a proof for everyone that they are incopetent. And when something is incopetent, i doubt i will lay my sight on this cup in the future...
Well, regardless who is right or who is wrong, major mistake by the admin and major screw up by either not explaining the situation (if toxi is right) or not apologizing to fresh (if he was right). Tournaments should really start ot make a rule which prohibits their participants to play another cup at the same time. Without that, a majority of the mistakes would be solved.
On July 06 2011 02:33 Toxi78 wrote: okay one last freaking time, HE GOT THE RIGHT TO PLAY AGAINST ME, but he put me on ignore and refused to talk to the admins, thats why he got DQed.
[facepalm]
You've had the right to play him and he waited for more than 30 mins. You were playing in another tournament in that time and you didn't show up in time. Admins disqualified you, according to the rules. Simple isn't it?
It is YOU that messed up the situation. It is YOU who pressed the admins (maybe using your admin girlfriend?) to change their decision. It is YOU AND THE ADMINS who are responsible for this mess.
You, because you challenged a legitimate decision of an admin. Admins, because they fell for your words and cancelled prevoius rightfull decision.
On July 06 2011 02:33 Toxi78 wrote: okay one last freaking time, HE GOT THE RIGHT TO PLAY AGAINST ME, but he put me on ignore and refused to talk to the admins, thats why he got DQed.
You were DQ for noshow and the tournament had already continued, putting you back in play regardless of anything else is horribly incorrect and shows incompetent adminning at best and malicious/intentional assistance at worst.
I would really like to hear from the Admins themselves about this situation, otherwise it will really put this tournament and organization under some serious scrutiny.
Pretty bm by toxi in my opinion. Imagine this happened in NASL lol. For example:
Idra and White_Ra have to play. Idra can't attend because he's eating a sandwhich without cheese. Gretorp gives White-Ra a defwin. Then Idra comes to his boyfriend Incontrol 'Mate I was eating sandwhich let me play now!' Incontrol tells White-Ra: 'Hey d00d my boyfriend was eating a sandwhich without cheese, you can either play him NOW or get dq'ed!'
some guys come here, read the op, read the last posts and discuss things that have been discussed already. how about you read the posts and know what happend before you talk? he had a "dq" after not stating the truth to an admin, while having no opponents because we were actually playing the previous round.
On July 06 2011 02:33 Toxi78 wrote: okay one last freaking time, HE GOT THE RIGHT TO PLAY AGAINST ME, but he put me on ignore and refused to talk to the admins, thats why he got DQed.
[facepalm]
You've had the right to play him and he waited for more than 30 mins. You were playing in another tournament in that time and you didn't show up in time. Admins disqualified you, according to the rules. Simple isn't it?
It is YOU that messed up the situation. It is YOU who pressed the admins (maybe using your admin girlfriend?) to change their decision. It is YOU AND THE ADMINS who are responsible for this mess.
You, because you challenged a legitimate decision of an admin. Admins, because they fell for your words and cancelled prevoius rightfull decision.
Something similar to this happened to me. There so much cloak and dagger crap like this happening in these cups i'm getting sick of it. One time in Competo Cup 4 opponents in a row reported that I lost vs them after I beat them. On the 4th time the admin fucked me over and gave the win to the gold league douchebag that reported I lost.
On July 06 2011 01:42 FairForever wrote: Oh well, stupid Admin decisions. Extremely unprofessional.
i know nothing about this particular admin error. i do know you pay $0 to enter the event and there is a cash prize at the end.
the player paid $0 and even if we assume his criticism is valid. He still got full value for his $0. He got nothing.
To put your name on the Map in SC2 you need to enter the Zotac, $100 CraftCups, and the Go4SC2. Sure a few decisions may not go your way.. but you need to go deep into all these events on a consistent basis in order to get onto a major SC2 team and avoid this grind.
At this point nobody should care about thefreshone's personal performance. The fact is a player was DQ'd after being given a DQ and winning the next round. The fact is that the admins of this league failed in their duty to provide a fun and competitive gaming environment. You say that a player should join zotac craftcup and go4sc2 because they have $100 prize pools, are free to join, and are credible. How do you think they got to be that way? They have competent admins, they provide the work needed to gain credibility, and they had or earned the funds to provide such tournaments. Competo Cup is a tournament that can fall under the same category in a short amount of time. It has a $50 prize pool, is free to join, but has bad admins who don't realize their job requirements. You want to limit the fundamental competitive level of sc2 to only 3 weekly tournaments? Then you have a bad goal for sc2. It's for the better of sc2 as an eSport for these potentially good leagues to fix their faults and ecome a credible tournament. THAT is why this is an important issue. Not because a no-name got screwed in a low level tournament, but because someone got screwed in a tournament that could very well become a good, credible tournament.
On July 06 2011 02:55 Toxi78 wrote: some guys come here, read the op, read the last posts and discuss things that have been discussed already. how about you read the posts and know what happend before you talk? he had a "dq" after not stating the truth to an admin, while having no opponents because we were actually playing the previous round.
Sorry but you ruined any credibility when you mentioned your admin girlfriend was the one who made the decision.
edit: I think he was joking about the admin being his GF, I apoligize about my rant edit 2: seems he really was joking - sorry 'bout that rant dude. But I hope you can see where I was coming from ^^
On July 06 2011 02:55 Toxi78 wrote: he had a "dq" after not stating the truth to an admin, while having no opponents because we were actually playing the previous round.
Can you point out (exactly!) where he lied to an admin? I'd like to see the IRC quote.
On July 06 2011 02:55 Toxi78 wrote: some guys come here, read the op, read the last posts and discuss things that have been discussed already. how about you read the posts and know what happend before you talk? he had a "dq" after not stating the truth to an admin, while having no opponents because we were actually playing the previous round.
Ok, I'm going to inquire now, so tell me "what happened" before I talk.
Clear answer, yes or no. Be honest now. Did you, or did you not play against Stephano in the Gamecreds Cup while freshone waited for you in the Competo Cup quarterfinals?
just forget this...you're all complaining on useless topic...Can't you see FRESH is being mature he said that he made a mistake of doing what he did so problem solved. HE himself that he will not flame anymore so WE all should stop. Really what did both players lose?? Nothing...FRESH learned he is good enough to compete in these tourneys and TOXI found out he has a girlfriend so just be mature and don't flame each other.
PS TOXI stop bming...what's the use of bm...just to make yourself look like a fool
On July 06 2011 03:10 holycrapitsTony wrote: Some serious conflict of interest going on if the girlfriend thing is legitimate.
Even if it's the truth, that's not the point.
Toxi78 tried hard to bend the admins to his own will, and unfortunately, he succeeded. Admins cancelled their own rightful decision and followed Toxi78,s way of truth without blink of an eye. We can read in the OP how TheFreshOne tried to catch the attention of an admin to get to know, why the decision have been changed, and for that he has been DQ'ed...
To be honest, the way that Toxi78 behaves and how BM he is, i wouldn't even... he's just not worth my attention.
On July 06 2011 03:10 holycrapitsTony wrote: Some serious conflict of interest going on if the girlfriend thing is legitimate.
Even if it's the truth, that's not the point.
Toxi78 tried hard to bend the admins to his own will, and unfortunately, he succeeded. Admins cancelled their own rightful decision and followed Toxi78,s way of truth without blink of an eye. We can read in the OP how TheFreshOne tried to catch the attention of an admin to get to know, why the decision have been changed, and for that he has been DQ'ed...
To be honest, the way that Toxi78 behaves and how BM he is, i wouldn't even... he's just not worth my attention.
Well, I mean considering if the admin is his girlfriend, it wouldn't be hard to make her get his own way so he wouldn't be DQd. This Toxi guy plays in a different cup at the same time and gets DQd for it taking to long and is annoyed when someone is mad because he can use his girlfriend to let him continue to play when another admin already agreed for Toxi to be DQd.
Haha toxi I like how you completely ignore the fact you were playing stefano on another cup which ultimately delayed your so call 43minutes tvt of the previous round.
From the evidence provided, sound like op did not lie where as you did and forced your way to the next round then proceed to bm the op and everyone in this post.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
Yup.. and besides there is no proof fresh lied to anyone... there is proof an admin gave him the defwin and then it was reversed back by another, apparently because you were friends with him.
yea the admin was my girlfriend. you were not involved in this case so why would you come here and start spreading bullshit instead of just not talking at all ?
Holy Moly, if this is true you lose all credibility hahahaha, i mean really not conflict of interest or anything.
Things just got real!
ps. if you're late you're late and should get DQ'd (no matter if other cup or house on fire). Its hard enough to run a tourney, and people doing 4cups at the same time, being late for every other match delaying an entire tournament aint helping.
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
Yup.. and besides there is no proof fresh lied to anyone... there is proof an admin gave him the defwin and then it was reversed back by another, apparently because you were friends with him.
yea the admin was my girlfriend. you were not involved in this case so why would you come here and start spreading bullshit instead of just not talking at all ?
Are you serious or are you being sarcastic on the girlfriend part??!!
[20:53] <TheFreShOne> Admin , I want to report defwin in round 5 Starfresh vs ??? the opponents are not responding and I have waitied for 30 mins +
Isn't ??? means "I don't know who to play with?"
That means, Toxi WAS actually in the previous round game.
Hmm... Seems like fresh reported a def win even though the previous round series had not finished. IMO fresh needed wait and see who won the previous round, contact the player and then if he gets no response contact an admin. A bit of impatience by fresh and the bming and chat spamming clearly messed up the admins. Looks like everyone is to blame...
Toxi was definetly playing 2 tournaments at the same time. His match history shows playing the first few maps from the Competo cup, then the first 2 maps of the GameCreds cup (in which he lost one to Stefano) then continues with the Competo cup maps until he has 2 losses on Competo cup maps after a win.
I mean it's understandable when you have 2 tournaments overlapping that you wanna try to play both. But you should accept if you get a DQ because you're holding up the tournament.
My guess is that basically this happened...
Toxi plays his Competo cup game, wins and opponent isn't ready right away (still in his game) Plays his Gamercred cup games, but game ends fast enough to play next round of competo cup before being DQed. Starts Competo cup game and it's a long game.
At this point Fresh has been waiting almost an hour between Toxi having a late start on his round AND being a really long game so he asks for a DQ. It's granted then revoked.
Technically Toxi would still be within tournament rules if he had 1/2 hour to start his round and did so, but it's also pretty shady to play 2 tournies at once.
The order in which he played the games: ssgZeRaXx turuk combi stephano infinity vasilisk
After beating Turuk in Competo he played against Combi & Stephano in gamecreds, for a total of 29min (40 SC2min). So that leaves 1min for finding & setting up with the 2 opponents to not go over the 30min DQ limit - which I dont believe is possible.
The problem for Starfresh though is - it was not his place to demand a DQ. Infinity was the opponent. Infinity could/should have requested the walkover. (though I think it's noteworthy that Starfresh said to the admins that both of his possible opponents dont answer. He was not lying to the admins at all).
[20:53] <TheFreShOne> Admin , I want to report defwin in round 5 Starfresh vs ??? the opponents are not responding and I have waitied for 30 mins +
Isn't ??? means "I don't know who to play with?"
That means, Toxi WAS actually in the previous round game.
Hmm... Seems like fresh reported a def win even though the previous round series had not finished. IMO fresh needed wait and see who won the previous round, contact the player and then if he gets no response contact an admin. A bit of impatience by fresh and the bming and chat spamming clearly messed up the admins. Looks like everyone is to blame...
TheFreshOne did everything according to the rules. It's not his fault that Toxi78 delayed his round by playing in another tournament. TheFreshOne waited, as stated in the rules. He tried to contact the opponents, but they didn't respond. He stated the situation to an admin. Admin made the decision.
I see nothing out of ordinary in TheFreshOne's actions.
The problem for Starfresh though is - it was not his place to demand a DQ. Infinity was the opponent. Infinity could/should have requested the walkover. (though I think it's noteworthy that Starfresh said to the admins that both of his possible opponents dont answer. He was not lying to the admins at all).
Yeah, but at the same time when you've been waiting an hour for your match and see your opponent had played people not in the tournament it's not unreasonable to ask an admin's decision so you don't risk being DQed yourself.
Remember Fresh has no way of knowing that Toxi was in a game with his Competo cup opponent. Only that Toxi + his opponent are both in games. If he knows Toxi played a game outside of the tournament then it's reasonable to assume that his opponents aren't playing their game.
Fresh definitely could have handled it better by asking the admin for the status of the game or giving a more complete picture, but asking for a DQ wasn't unreasonable either.
Also when did the admins tell Fresh to play quarters. I don't see them saying for him to do that until AFTER he's already played 1 of the games. Idk what they did with the actual brackets, but they didn't seem to give him the go ahead. However he should have gotten the def win because Maztiz in the chat log asks for the same thing at the same time and is told to wait 5 minutes then do defwin.
the internet is funny, do you guys realize you are writing essays about things that have nothing to do with you, which matter is at best 50$ and at worst a disqualification of a tournament that is one of the 50 that happen every week, do you have nothing better to do? it's not like someone was killed, people. everyone in this case has his share of mistakes thefreshone, myself and the admins, injustice hit both of us in a row from each's point of view, but it could have been ruled in a game if thefreshone didn't ignore me and listened to the admins' statement, which was to play the game. thefreshone obviously failed to state to the admin that we were actually playing the round, i cannot imagine the admin giving a defwin if he said so, requesting a defwin while we were playing was a douchebag move anyway, the cup was 3 rounds from finishing, you can't expect the whole bracket to be synchronized anyways. i should not have played another cup, but stuff like that is just usual, if you think i'm a bad person because i play 2 tournaments at the same time, then goody, beastyqt, (list goes on forever) should be insulted in the same way. the admins of competo are incompetent, they do not contact players online and i suspect them of not even having starcraft 2. they take hours to answer on IRC whenever you try to contact them, and generally make decisions that are senseless (someone HAD to enter a score for me vs infinity to give a walkover in the next round, when this was done remember that i HADNT won yet). people insulting me personally are wrong, had i lost, infinity would have had the same way to go,
On July 06 2011 04:03 Toxi78 wrote: the internet is funny, do you guys realize you are writing essays about things that have nothing to do with you, which matter is at best 50$ and at worst a disqualification of a tournament that is one of the 50 that happen every week, do you have nothing better to do? it's not like someone was killed, people. everyone in this case has his share of mistakes thefreshone, myself and the admins, injustice hit both of us in a row from each's point of view, but it could have been ruled in a game if thefreshone didn't ignore me and listened to the admins' statement, which was to play the game. thefreshone obviously failed to state to the admin that we were actually playing the round, i cannot imagine the admin giving a defwin if he said so, requesting a defwin while we were playing was a douchebag move anyway, the cup was 3 rounds from finishing, you can't expect the whole bracket to be synchronized anyways. i should not have played another cup, but stuff like that is just usual, if you think i'm a bad person because i play 2 tournaments at the same time, then goody, beastyqt, (list goes on forever) should be insulted in the same way. the admins of competo are incompetent, they do not contact players online and i suspect them of not even having starcraft 2. they take hours to answer on IRC whenever you try to contact them, and generally make decisions that are senseless (someone HAD to enter a score for me vs infinity to give a walkover in the next round, when this was done remember that i HADNT won yet). people insulting me personally are wrong, had i lost, infinity would have had the same way to go,
You don't do yourself any favours by making vague comments (The girlfriend admin one for example) and coming off as a mean person. Perhaps it was sarcasm but sarcasm is pretty hard to detect on the internet. If you had at the start of this put your hand up and said " I was playing in another cup I fucked up but the admins handled the situation wrong" I'm sure a lot less people would be posting about you and more about the way the situation was handled.
ROFL the admin that made the decision and then subsequently banned thefreshone was toxics girlfriend?!?!?! omg thats so funny it hurts...the title seems so much more fitting than before
CompetoCup came out of this looking like a bunch of easily swayed and openly biased fools. Not exactly the game-fixing scandal it could be but hmmm....competo i'm very disappointed in you.
On July 06 2011 03:55 Logo wrote: Yeah, but at the same time when you've been waiting an hour for your match and see your opponent had played people not in the tournament it's not unreasonable to ask an admin's decision so you don't risk being DQed yourself.
Remember Fresh has no way of knowing that Toxi was in a game with his Competo cup opponent. Only that Toxi + his opponent are both in games. If he knows Toxi played a game outside of the tournament then it's reasonable to assume that his opponents aren't playing their game.
Fresh definitely could have handled it better by asking the admin for the status of the game or giving a more complete picture, but asking for a DQ wasn't unreasonable either.
It was reasonable to ask an admin what's up. I do blame the admins the most for not checking the information / strange retracting decisions & co. But it was unreasonable to ask for a walk over. Because what would've happened if infinity won and not Toxi? Suddenly there is no "he played in another tournament" excuse. What if infinity's game ended 10minutes before he started to play Toxi (so Toxi's other games wouldnt affect competo at all since the toxi & infinity game would've started way before the 30min limit)?
On July 06 2011 04:03 Toxi78 wrote: thefreshone obviously failed to state to the admin that we were actually playing the round, i cannot imagine the admin giving a defwin if he said so, requesting a defwin while we were playing was a douchebag move anyway, the cup was 3 rounds from finishing, you can't expect the whole bracket to be synchronized anyways.
He said neither of you responded - and also did say this to the admin. If neither of you responded how can he know that you are playing the round? It's basically the same to when you say that he had you on ignore
On July 06 2011 01:22 Toxi78 wrote: you guys dont get the point ? admin made a mistake because thefreshone LIED to them. admin corrects his mistake sothat the injustice is solved (me being DQed because next opponent LIED to the admin) thefreshone refuses the decision of the admin, and puts me on ignore DURING the thing, and refuses to talk to admins admins DQ him
so hard to get?
I would ignore you if I was him.. You were doing nothin but bming
Yup.. and besides there is no proof fresh lied to anyone... there is proof an admin gave him the defwin and then it was reversed back by another, apparently because you were friends with him.
yea the admin was my girlfriend. you were not involved in this case so why would you come here and start spreading bullshit instead of just not talking at all ?
Wow, so admin favoritism + the fact that you were knowingly holding up your opponent by playing in a different tournament.
A lot of unprofessionalism going on here, Toxi and Admin. I definitely feel bad for the OP.
Fuck everyone that plays in two tournaments at the same time. Your time is not more important than anyone else. They shouldn't have to fucking wait 30 minutes because you decided your time is more important.
The admins are just stupid. They didnt know what they were talking about and/or didnt talk to each other. Its a pretty poor overall showing for that tourney.
so pls keep the hate down - you dont know any of the admins (i dont know any of them really too rofl)i will look into that - adressing this matter in such a public way might not be the best choice
Obviously trying to talk you guys in private wasn't working at all, seeing he got banned. Bringing this to the public will make you guys follow the rules and address the issue.
I like reading threads like these, they are like a storybook. I especially love when the plot thickens then unfolds and someone story falls apart. Especially when they continue to fight even after the evidence against keeps piling on. Even more satisfying when that person is the bad mannered one.
Toxi, just man up and move on. If you believe you're right what do you care, all you're doing is making yourself look worse.
Seems like just a bad situation for everyone, Competo needs to step it up if they want to continue running tournaments under the same name.
My thoughts too So much more information about this coming from both sides and from the bushes too.. Became much mote interesting than it used to be : )
On July 06 2011 04:03 Toxi78 wrote: the internet is funny, do you guys realize you are writing essays about things that have nothing to do with you, which matter is at best 50$ and at worst a disqualification of a tournament that is one of the 50 that happen every week, do you have nothing better to do? it's not like someone was killed, people. everyone in this case has his share of mistakes thefreshone, myself and the admins, injustice hit both of us in a row from each's point of view, but it could have been ruled in a game if thefreshone didn't ignore me and listened to the admins' statement, which was to play the game. thefreshone obviously failed to state to the admin that we were actually playing the round, i cannot imagine the admin giving a defwin if he said so, requesting a defwin while we were playing was a douchebag move anyway, the cup was 3 rounds from finishing, you can't expect the whole bracket to be synchronized anyways. i should not have played another cup, but stuff like that is just usual, if you think i'm a bad person because i play 2 tournaments at the same time, then goody, beastyqt, (list goes on forever) should be insulted in the same way. the admins of competo are incompetent, they do not contact players online and i suspect them of not even having starcraft 2. they take hours to answer on IRC whenever you try to contact them, and generally make decisions that are senseless (someone HAD to enter a score for me vs infinity to give a walkover in the next round, when this was done remember that i HADNT won yet). people insulting me personally are wrong, had i lost, infinity would have had the same way to go,
You should not have accepted to play in the semifinale instead of TheFreshOne, who had alredy beaten 2 opponents that you wouldhave to face before semifinale how could you do that? after he waited 30mins. Atleest you should have playd ur match vs thefreshone even tought that part is the admins fault and not urs, you seem realy selfish to accept the adminds decisions when it was clearly wrong.
You join a tournament with a Spanish name and you expect it to be decent, how nice. The person probably had ties with the admin of the tournament, as I understand what happened to you was completely unjustified. The mistake could be overlooked as not all tournaments are perfect, but banning is just unmindful and absurd.
From my perspective, neither Toxi or Fresh are a fault here. Players can do whatever thy like, be late, not show up, don't follow the rules. It's up to the admins to settle things and be consistent. And take responsibility for their decisions.
On July 06 2011 05:58 iTzAnglory wrote: You join a tournament with a Spanish name and you expect it to be decent, how nice. The person probably had ties with the admin of the tournament, as I understand what happened to you was completely unjustified. The mistake could be overlooked as not all tournaments are perfect, but banning is just unmindful and absurd.
Wow lay off the racism about the Spaniards rofl.. Totally unneeded
If the competo cup admins are going to keep on ignoring this thread I'll keep on ignoring their streams. At least show some balls and stand up for yourself no matter what side you stand on.
first i wanted say "lol a troll who whine" then i read and cant believe ... schniiii seems like one of the worst admins i ever saw feel bad for you man ! hope they kick that admin as long me and all i know wont play/watch any competo cups
and also i think players playing in 2 cups same time should not be allowed its frustrating wait 10 20 30 minutes cause he play "another cup" and some other cups have games in 2nd round when some games are in 6th
this destroy fun only for them to play more and just ignore the other players and so i think playing 2 tournaments same time should NOT count as 30min dq afk but as instant play or DQ
On July 06 2011 05:58 iTzAnglory wrote: You join a tournament with a Spanish name and you expect it to be decent, how nice. The person probably had ties with the admin of the tournament, as I understand what happened to you was completely unjustified. The mistake could be overlooked as not all tournaments are perfect, but banning is just unmindful and absurd.
The staff really messed things up by giving that defwin if they didn't mean it. But appropriate damage control would be just to leave it at that and keep the defwin for THEFRESHONE.
What happened was that they regretted their decision and tried to fix it by shifting it to the other end of the spectrum and when you asked for fairness, they were just too embarrassed to change it again. Nobody wants to be wishy-washy. This isn't just a Competo Cup thing. I think it's a flaw that happens with a lot with people. They just love to second-guess themselves into failure.
Schnii should have stuck with her initial decision.
On July 05 2011 17:47 aFreShTV wrote: Wilczy, I added Toxii on BNet, talked to him 2 times while he was ingame, I have already waited 30 mins before he started his competo match. IF you check his history games, he played MStephano which I didnt see in the Competo brackets so I got pissed and wanted a defwin. Didn't want to waste any minute longer.
Edit : Not talked but spoke to him without any answer... I swear it is a truth. After being flamed so hard by him, winning my quarters and seeing myself ( in bracket) in semis it was obvious to Mute this BM guy. He is even insulting me in this thread...
don't worry i've had to deal with toxii before he is a bi polar when it comes to playing tournaments
On July 06 2011 05:58 iTzAnglory wrote: You join a tournament with a Spanish name and you expect it to be decent, how nice. The person probably had ties with the admin of the tournament, as I understand what happened to you was completely unjustified. The mistake could be overlooked as not all tournaments are perfect, but banning is just unmindful and absurd.
There are plenty of tournaments with Spanish names which are decent.. you racist douche Edit: Oh and BTW, competo isn't a spanish name.. ignorance + racism go hand in hand apparently.
On July 06 2011 04:13 Toxi78 wrote: some guy from peru said i was friend with the admin, i couldnt resist.
See, that was funny, especially when ppl took you seriously - but all the rest of the flaming wasn't.
The thing is, this all would have been avoided if you'd taken 3 seconds to respond to fresh during your "long tvt game" and tell him you were playing. Then the whole thing wouldn't have happened.
You just had to say "still playing prev round long tvt sry." Or the other guy could have said this.
TBH though, I think the real fault lies with the admins. Like I said before, it's understandable that a big tournament is hard to admin, but at this point there are at most 16 players left. The admins should be able to get their act together at that point.
On July 06 2011 05:23 GxZ wrote: Tournaments are hard to run
No they are not. All you need to run a tournament are players 'check', means of contact 'check', and admins that don't suck balls 'errr no check'. Idk why people keep talking about fresh and toxi. Ofc they both made mistakes, nobody should care about either of them as players in this situation. These people could be anyone, the point is just that these admins are a total fail and should be punished for their incompetence.
On July 06 2011 02:54 Xiron wrote: Pretty bm by toxi in my opinion. Imagine this happened in NASL lol. For example:
Idra and White_Ra have to play. Idra can't attend because he's eating a sandwhich without cheese. Gretorp gives White-Ra a defwin. Then Idra comes to his boyfriend Incontrol 'Mate I was eating sandwhich let me play now!' Incontrol tells White-Ra: 'Hey d00d my boyfriend was eating a sandwhich without cheese, you can either play him NOW or get dq'ed!'
On July 06 2011 04:03 Toxi78 wrote: the internet is funny, do you guys realize you are writing essays about things that have nothing to do with you, which matter is at best 50$ and at worst a disqualification of a tournament that is one of the 50 that happen every week, do you have nothing better to do? it's not like someone was killed, people. everyone in this case has his share of mistakes thefreshone, myself and the admins, injustice hit both of us in a row from each's point of view, but it could have been ruled in a game if thefreshone didn't ignore me and listened to the admins' statement, which was to play the game. thefreshone obviously failed to state to the admin that we were actually playing the round, i cannot imagine the admin giving a defwin if he said so, requesting a defwin while we were playing was a douchebag move anyway, the cup was 3 rounds from finishing, you can't expect the whole bracket to be synchronized anyways. i should not have played another cup, but stuff like that is just usual, if you think i'm a bad person because i play 2 tournaments at the same time, then goody, beastyqt, (list goes on forever) should be insulted in the same way. the admins of competo are incompetent, they do not contact players online and i suspect them of not even having starcraft 2. they take hours to answer on IRC whenever you try to contact them, and generally make decisions that are senseless (someone HAD to enter a score for me vs infinity to give a walkover in the next round, when this was done remember that i HADNT won yet). people insulting me personally are wrong, had i lost, infinity would have had the same way to go,
Try this in offline tournament, no one cares if you were still on another tournament or not, once you missed the match for the limited time stated in rules, rules will guarantee that you have lost. It's not about your "reason", even if you were sent to hospital, it doesn't matter.
In fact, there was no injustice for you if you had already missed that benchmark waiting time, you may be playing tonnes of tournament but maybe not for this guy or any other guy who you were supposed to play.
Yes, that request for defwin looked like a douchemove, but you were the one that violated the rule and given him chance to use this move, don't blame him or the admin or anyone but yourself
By the rules, FreshOne should have been the one to move on and he should not have had to regame. Manner does not factor into semantics, and once given, the win is a win and it stands. And its not like it was a few minutes; another game was played. So whether or not any extenuating circumstances were in place, it was just bad taste to revoke the win.
On July 06 2011 05:58 iTzAnglory wrote: You join a tournament with a Spanish name and you expect it to be decent, how nice. The person probably had ties with the admin of the tournament, as I understand what happened to you was completely unjustified. The mistake could be overlooked as not all tournaments are perfect, but banning is just unmindful and absurd.
There are plenty of tournaments with Spanish names which are decent.. you racist douche Edit: Oh and BTW, competo isn't a spanish name.. ignorance + racism go hand in hand apparently.
I was just thinking this, thanks for un-confusing me. My aunt lived in Chile and now lives in Mexico and I know a really good amount of spanish...couldn't come up with what "competo" meant in spanish.
I guess he thought it meant "compete" but with an o on the end. Lol. ?
On July 06 2011 05:58 iTzAnglory wrote: You join a tournament with a Spanish name and you expect it to be decent, how nice. The person probably had ties with the admin of the tournament, as I understand what happened to you was completely unjustified. The mistake could be overlooked as not all tournaments are perfect, but banning is just unmindful and absurd.
i already said schniii is my girlfriend.
just wow... poor op, sry man But OP you should really fix your tone next time, and dont spam messages like you did in irc. Frankly Toxi, it was probably your fault for being on his ignore list. Given your irc messages I could see how you coulda flamed him in a ladder game and gotten ignored. manner up next time
even if you got the defloss without fault of yours, it's still a decision made by the admins and not by freshone. but at the time this all was revoked (!!!!!!!) and you were given a place in a higher bracket till which you did not play (!!!!!!!!!!) it was nothing you should have accepted.
jus remember how they treat you and treat them the same. win another tournament, you already stated there are many many many!
On July 06 2011 05:58 iTzAnglory wrote: You join a tournament with a Spanish name and you expect it to be decent, how nice. The person probably had ties with the admin of the tournament, as I understand what happened to you was completely unjustified. The mistake could be overlooked as not all tournaments are perfect, but banning is just unmindful and absurd.
i already said schniii is my girlfriend.
Yeah, trolling as a response is a good way to gain respect. Congratz.
This is just horrible news and now i know what tourney i won't ever be participating in. I guess you should just play zotac cup and viles weekly tourneys :D
Competo cup sucks ass and has always done so. I've played it once and it was a gigantic waste of time. No admins on the IRC for the first 1½ hours of the cup.
Lolz! I am so dissapointed in Competo cup, will never play there more to be honest, hopefully they will try to get better admins who makes better decisions.
Damn, at first when i saw this post i thought there was another side to it. But Toxi actually confirmed this story, even telling he was "playing another cup" (quote). Endrey got in, got out and now nothing has changed besides the image of Competocup itself. They screwed the pooch on this one.
First by letting their admins make a big mistake, second; by not correcting their mistake but foremost; not turning up in any sort of way to commentate on the subject or give some additional info/repercussions.
On July 06 2011 05:58 iTzAnglory wrote: You join a tournament with a Spanish name and you expect it to be decent, how nice. The person probably had ties with the admin of the tournament, as I understand what happened to you was completely unjustified. The mistake could be overlooked as not all tournaments are perfect, but banning is just unmindful and absurd.
i already said schniii is my girlfriend.
WAT!
Game over. This is such a blatant case of poor admining. She should have differed to another admin, the fact that she didn't is one of the most painfully unprofessional things I've seen. It doesn't matter which player was in the wrong, it doesn't matter what else happened. An admin should never make a decision regarding a close friend or significant other. It makes both the admin and the player look bad.
I don't believe the admin is his girlfriend, he was trolling!
Facts: -toxi played 2 cups -fresh waited 30m for toxi and got a defwin -fresh played two more round after that game and won -toxi came back and got a (unfair) right to play against fresh, even tho fresh had won a DQ from toxi because he was later 30m because he was playing another tournament -fresh didn't saw or didn't want to play against him because toxi was allready DQ -fresh was DQ and toxi got his spot 2/3 round ahead
admin = shit fresh = got owned toxi = should have been DQ and didn't deserve a spot 2/3 rounds ahead and then comes here and insults everybody by trolling and lying etc..
This doesn't take away my sleep but it shows the true colors of the admin and toxi!
Have any admins if competo cup came and posted here yet? I want to see what they have to say about this unfairness, I can't think of any tourney that would do such a thing and then not expect to be flamed. I don't really know much about this cup but this thread confirms that it is indeed a piece of crap cup and it doesn't deserve much attention let alone respect.
Come here and post something Competo admin I want to see what you have to say about all of this.
my advice to the op: next time you try to reason with an admin, try to not sound like a raging 13 yr old. you will have a better chance of being heard. but yes, once admins decide to give out a defwin, the must stick with it
to toxic: being busy playing a long tvt in another tournament is no excuse. you are responsible for showing up for a match in time. if you can't arrange it, it is your fault.
Well, it certainly seems like a lack of communication all around. Admins have the responsibility, especially in a case of an incorrect defwin/loss, to delve deeper into the situation to avoid fixing a mistake by making another mistake.
After hearing the point of view from both players, I would like to hear from the organization or one of the admins to shed some light on the situation. Especially if competo wants to save face.
On July 06 2011 03:11 Toxi78 wrote: i feel your pain incontrol, i know what it feels like now.
I think there should be a unified blacklist for all the mini tournaments etc that disallows entry of players such as Toxi78. Even after all the facts come out he still refuses to hold up his hands and say he was the person in the wrong and apologises to Fresh instead of continuous bad manners in an attempt to look innocent. I wouldn't want him as my opponent in a cup nor would want anyone else to face him, so, maybe one day the Zotacs/go4sc/competants/gamecreds etc have a mini black list or something they can work with.
On July 06 2011 03:11 Toxi78 wrote: i feel your pain incontrol, i know what it feels like now.
I think there should be a unified blacklist for all the mini tournaments etc that disallows entry of players such as Toxi78. Even after all the facts come out he still refuses to hold up his hands and say he was the person in the wrong and apologises to Fresh instead of continuous bad manners in an attempt to look innocent. I wouldn't want him as my opponent in a cup nor would want anyone else to face him, so, maybe one day the Zotacs/go4sc/competants/gamecreds etc have a mini black list or something they can work with.
Admins were wrong - Toxi simply abused the faulty integrity the admins were upholding.
On July 05 2011 17:41 Toxi78 wrote: Plateau de Shakuras (173).SC2Replay Yesterday 4 juillet 2011, 21:08:03 => my previous round's game I can make a screenshot if you really want it. check the time on the first chatlog too. i have no idea what kind of bullshit he actually invented, maybe he told the admins either of us won when it wasnt true, then the admin updated the grid, then he said we were playing something else when we were actually playing the round, and convinced them to get a defwin.
He came out with the intention to mislead by not stating he was playing in a different cup. It took until someone proved he was in GameCreds vs Stephano that he admitted it, at which he loses all credibility and any chance, in my eyes, to feature in any cup of similar nature.
If I can remember correctly TL.net has a policy to not support such tournaments as this Competo Cup that screw over their players. Is TL.net going to take Competo Cup off their Schedules and streaming list?
On July 06 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote: If I can remember correctly TL.net has a policy to not support such tournaments as this Competo Cup that screw over their players. Is TL.net going to take Competo Cup off their Schedules and streaming list?
i doubt it; however, without a response from the competo cup admins and without some kind of demonstrable change to the way they handle this type of situation i can't imagine that the audience (thats basically us and not many others, amirite?) will even bother checking on the stream.
i for one will refuse to give any attention to the actual cup if they simply ignore the pretty hardcore drilling they've been given here.
its funny, imho because it was the admins that are basically throwing this thing in the garbage and it isnt surprising really considering how so many people throughout the entire thread have pointed out that the admins are pretty much afk in irc during large portions of the tourney
does anyone know the competo admins well enough to illicit some kind of response to this?
Retarded mongrel admins in online cups are the rule rather than the exception, unfortunate as it may be. Clanbase and ESL are prime examples of horrible gaming institutions in europe.
On July 06 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote: If I can remember correctly TL.net has a policy to not support such tournaments as this Competo Cup that screw over their players. Is TL.net going to take Competo Cup off their Schedules and streaming list?
i doubt it; however, without a response from the competo cup admins and without some kind of demonstrable change to the way they handle this type of situation i can't imagine that the audience (thats basically us and not many others, amirite?) will even bother checking on the stream.
i for one will refuse to give any attention to the actual cup if they simply ignore the pretty hardcore drilling they've been given here.
its funny, imho because it was the admins that are basically throwing this thing in the garbage and it isnt surprising really considering how so many people throughout the entire thread have pointed out that the admins are pretty much afk in irc during large portions of the tourney
does anyone know the competo admins well enough to illicit some kind of response to this?
The streamer (Endrey) said earlier in the thread he was sending this feedback to people responsible for the tournament. If that doesn't work (as it apparently didn't) I feel like they have taken a stance of "not responding at all." I give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they maybe are getting to the bottom of the situation before responding, and in that case I'll give the cup another chance. But as it is I won't turn into one of their cups or participate in them before that.
On July 06 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote: If I can remember correctly TL.net has a policy to not support such tournaments as this Competo Cup that screw over their players. Is TL.net going to take Competo Cup off their Schedules and streaming list?
i doubt it; however, without a response from the competo cup admins and without some kind of demonstrable change to the way they handle this type of situation i can't imagine that the audience (thats basically us and not many others, amirite?) will even bother checking on the stream.
i for one will refuse to give any attention to the actual cup if they simply ignore the pretty hardcore drilling they've been given here.
its funny, imho because it was the admins that are basically throwing this thing in the garbage and it isnt surprising really considering how so many people throughout the entire thread have pointed out that the admins are pretty much afk in irc during large portions of the tourney
does anyone know the competo admins well enough to illicit some kind of response to this?
The streamer (Endrey) said earlier in the thread he was sending this feedback to people responsible for the tournament. If that doesn't work (as it apparently didn't) I feel like they have taken a stance of "not responding at all." I give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they maybe are getting to the bottom of the situation before responding, and in that case I'll give the cup another chance. But as it is I won't turn into one of their cups or participate in them before that.
If they were getting to the bottom of the situation before responding, then why not make a post like: "we are getting to the bottom of the situation before we respond"
On July 06 2011 22:06 -Archangel- wrote: If I can remember correctly TL.net has a policy to not support such tournaments as this Competo Cup that screw over their players. Is TL.net going to take Competo Cup off their Schedules and streaming list?
i doubt it; however, without a response from the competo cup admins and without some kind of demonstrable change to the way they handle this type of situation i can't imagine that the audience (thats basically us and not many others, amirite?) will even bother checking on the stream.
i for one will refuse to give any attention to the actual cup if they simply ignore the pretty hardcore drilling they've been given here.
its funny, imho because it was the admins that are basically throwing this thing in the garbage and it isnt surprising really considering how so many people throughout the entire thread have pointed out that the admins are pretty much afk in irc during large portions of the tourney
does anyone know the competo admins well enough to illicit some kind of response to this?
The streamer (Endrey) said earlier in the thread he was sending this feedback to people responsible for the tournament. If that doesn't work (as it apparently didn't) I feel like they have taken a stance of "not responding at all." I give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they maybe are getting to the bottom of the situation before responding, and in that case I'll give the cup another chance. But as it is I won't turn into one of their cups or participate in them before that.
If they were getting to the bottom of the situation before responding, then why not make a post like: "we are getting to the bottom of the situation before we respond"
At least that's what I would do.
But if they would be responding with "we are getting to the bottom of the situation before we respond" they would actually have responded before getting to the bottom of the situation and thus making the statement that they were going go get to the bottom of the situation before responding false.
Wow thats a horrible decision by the admins they should be banned from advertising their tournatments on TL for sure. No way TL can be associated with this kind of crap! Feel bad for u fresh!
On July 06 2011 04:03 Toxi78 wrote: the internet is funny, do you guys realize you are writing essays about things that have nothing to do with you, which matter is at best 50$ and at worst a disqualification of a tournament that is one of the 50 that happen every week, do you have nothing better to do? it's not like someone was killed, people. everyone in this case has his share of mistakes thefreshone, myself and the admins, injustice hit both of us in a row from each's point of view, but it could have been ruled in a game if thefreshone didn't ignore me and listened to the admins' statement, which was to play the game. thefreshone obviously failed to state to the admin that we were actually playing the round, i cannot imagine the admin giving a defwin if he said so, requesting a defwin while we were playing was a douchebag move anyway, the cup was 3 rounds from finishing, you can't expect the whole bracket to be synchronized anyways. i should not have played another cup, but stuff like that is just usual, if you think i'm a bad person because i play 2 tournaments at the same time, then goody, beastyqt, (list goes on forever) should be insulted in the same way. the admins of competo are incompetent, they do not contact players online and i suspect them of not even having starcraft 2. they take hours to answer on IRC whenever you try to contact them, and generally make decisions that are senseless (someone HAD to enter a score for me vs infinity to give a walkover in the next round, when this was done remember that i HADNT won yet). people insulting me personally are wrong, had i lost, infinity would have had the same way to go,
You were not hit with injustice in any way. You want to play in 2 different tournaments at the same time? That's fine, but you need to abide by their rules and risk getting DQ'ed from one of them. You ignored TFO for over 30 minutes and then the admin gave him a def win as a result.
After all that, you tell him:
"I PLAYED TVT 39 MINS, U FUCKING DOUCHEBAG"
And you seriously expect him to come back and play you after he's already played his next round?
And good job using the pathetic "why do you care" excuse. I'm sure that's going to help your cause.
On July 06 2011 04:03 Toxi78 wrote: the internet is funny, do you guys realize you are writing essays about things that have nothing to do with you, which matter is at best 50$ and at worst a disqualification of a tournament that is one of the 50 that happen every week, do you have nothing better to do? it's not like someone was killed, people. everyone in this case has his share of mistakes thefreshone, myself and the admins, injustice hit both of us in a row from each's point of view, but it could have been ruled in a game if thefreshone didn't ignore me and listened to the admins' statement, which was to play the game. thefreshone obviously failed to state to the admin that we were actually playing the round, i cannot imagine the admin giving a defwin if he said so, requesting a defwin while we were playing was a douchebag move anyway, the cup was 3 rounds from finishing, you can't expect the whole bracket to be synchronized anyways. i should not have played another cup, but stuff like that is just usual, if you think i'm a bad person because i play 2 tournaments at the same time, then goody, beastyqt, (list goes on forever) should be insulted in the same way. the admins of competo are incompetent, they do not contact players online and i suspect them of not even having starcraft 2. they take hours to answer on IRC whenever you try to contact them, and generally make decisions that are senseless (someone HAD to enter a score for me vs infinity to give a walkover in the next round, when this was done remember that i HADNT won yet). people insulting me personally are wrong, had i lost, infinity would have had the same way to go,
You were not hit with injustice in any way. You want to play in 2 different tournaments at the same time? That's fine, but you need to abide by their rules and risk getting DQ'ed from one of them. You ignored TFO for over 30 minutes and then the admin gave him a def win as a result.
After all that, you tell him:
"I PLAYED TVT 39 MINS, U FUCKING DOUCHEBAG"
And you seriously expect him to come back and play you after he's already played his next round?
And good job using the pathetic "why do you care" excuse. I'm sure that's going to help your cause.
which cause? what do you care? do i have to repeat i wasnt his opponent when he was already whining for a defwin? if anyone should have asked for anything it is infinity. let me repeat, dozens of players play more than 1 cup at a time.
Yeah but just because "everyone is doing it" doesn't mean you no longer have to abide by the rules. If you go over your time because your playing in another tournament, don't expect other people to make exceptions for you.
@Endrey I don't wanna get on your case but now that you know many of us are not interested in watching this cup anymore and no admin has come in at any point to make any comment, will you still cast this tournament ? or do you have a view from your side now that we have not received a comment from any of the admins?
It's becoming weirder and weirder to have no official response from the admins. This thread has almost 40k views, just to compare the "official" competcup thread has 16k. I guess they're hoping that any press is good press? or they just don't visit TL.
playing on 2 cups is always a bit annoying for casters and admins especially. But such drama because they had to change their first decision is also not really a good move (okay the way it is explained changing their mind at that point of the time was really bad. But don't forget admins are always right, but discussion with them is allowed until they say do it that way or you will get a loss heh, so staying always polite is a bonus).
I am really suprised it still goes on so nicely between the cups, i mean there were situations where players had to play a bo3 tvt in another cup and just started. And people actually waited for them because they said they would play fast. I really thought if such delays would occur admins would check if the persons are currently doing something on bnet, and if so give them 5 minutes to join the match or they get a loss. But i guess they are scared of a defloss rampage every cup.
Sigh I love watching competo cup and endreys castings but if this situationis ignored by the admins I think ill stop watching until they straighten this out at least.
On July 07 2011 01:33 cpu wrote: @Endrey I don't wanna get on your case but now that you know many of us are not interested in watching this cup anymore and no admin has come in at any point to make any comment, will you still cast this tournament ? or do you have a view from your side now that we have not received a comment from any of the admins?
So, I forwarded the Information to the people responsible with still no answer up to this moment.
So now I will use this thread right now to announce that I am no longer a member of "Competo TV" and that I will no longer be casting any Competo Sports or Competo Arena related events anymore. The decision to do that has already been made BEFORE this 'incident' with fresh and toxi happened. It bascily showed me that my decision was right afterall.
Now if I would be the admin I would actually ban both of you. Toxi for beeing insulting over and over again. And fresh for beeing a pain in the ass (sorry dude - just presenting your case (in a professional(!)way) should be enough). Both of you acted highly unprofessional AS WELL AS THE ADMIN. No doubt about that! But this has happened in the past, it happens now and it will happen in the future. Just deal with it, present your case and you should be good.
When I was saying earlier that it might have not been the smartest idea to go public with this right away, I was just thinking about that talking to any other Headadmin or me at first and see if we would be able to sort things out would have been the better move. And AFTER that go public. I'm not saying don't voice your opinion.
So back to the small announcement about me leaving Competo (btw its not spanish - it got its origins in the word competition) related events. Well the prize is not really that appealing (who wants so many PSUs?! - if you are playing a tournament you prolly got a computer which works just fine ), the brackets are still from the stoneage (competo guys did refuse any help or manpower I could have provided to change that), game admins who were responsible for helping us casters to find some games, overslept, forgot about the tournament, were just not good in what they actually were supposed to do - too many downtimes just sucks
So in the end I have to say big thanks to Oliver and Zip from competo who were a good help in the beginning but due to some IRL responsibilities were not able to fully support the project anymore.
So it's time for me look for something new on a monday .
Wow endrey. I bet no one wanted this, but if its you own personal beliefs to quit as caster for competo cup, then we should respect that. Sickkk o_O i hope you find something else for mondaya and keep up with promoting good parts of esports
On July 07 2011 01:33 cpu wrote: @Endrey I don't wanna get on your case but now that you know many of us are not interested in watching this cup anymore and no admin has come in at any point to make any comment, will you still cast this tournament ? or do you have a view from your side now that we have not received a comment from any of the admins?
So, I forwarded the Information to the people responsible with still no answer up to this moment.
So now I will use this thread right now to announce that I am no longer a member of "Competo TV" and that I will no longer be casting any Competo Sports or Competo Arena related events anymore. The decision to do that has already been made BEFORE this 'incident' with fresh and toxi happened. It bascily showed me that my decision was right afterall.
Now if I would be the admin I would actually ban both of you. Toxi for beeing insulting over and over again. And fresh for beeing a pain in the ass (sorry dude - just presenting your case (in a professional(!)way) should be enough). Both of you acted highly unprofessional AS WELL AS THE ADMIN. No doubt about that! But this has happened in the past, it happens now and it will happen in the future. Just deal with it, present your case and you should be good.
When I was saying earlier that it might have not been the smartest idea to go public with this right away, I was just thinking about that talking to any other Headadmin or me at first and see if we would be able to sort things out would have been the better move. And AFTER that go public. I'm not saying don't voice your opinion.
So back to the small announcement about me leaving Competo (btw its not spanish - it got its origins in the word competition) related events. Well the prize is not really that appealing (who wants so many PSUs?! - if you are playing a tournament you prolly got a computer which works just fine ), the brackets are still from the stoneage (competo guys did refuse any help or manpower I could have provided to change that), game admins who were responsible for helping us casters to find some games, overslept, forgot about the tournament, were just not good in what they actually were supposed to do - too many downtimes just sucks
So in the end I have to say big thanks to Oliver and Zip from competo who were a good help in the beginning but due to some IRL responsibilities were not able to fully support the project anymore.
So it's time for me look for something new on a monday .
On July 07 2011 01:33 cpu wrote: @Endrey I don't wanna get on your case but now that you know many of us are not interested in watching this cup anymore and no admin has come in at any point to make any comment, will you still cast this tournament ? or do you have a view from your side now that we have not received a comment from any of the admins?
So, I forwarded the Information to the people responsible with still no answer up to this moment.
Endrey, what would you call professional after being stolen of very close 50€ and time , waited for over 30 minutes , being insulted and screwed by the admin in this way? I know it is hard to imagine but try to imagine this situation when I was "on fire" ...
On July 07 2011 05:50 aFreShTV wrote: Endrey, what would you call professional after being stolen of very close 50€ and time , waited for over 30 minutes , being insulted and screwed by the admin in this way? I know it is hard to imagine but try to imagine this situation when I was "on fire" ...
Everyone is already sympathizing with you. Everyone is already on your side. Most of the people who read this thread want nothing more to do with Competo. What more do you want?
Endrey even said he would not cast any more Competo cups. It really seems like you're just attention whoring and whining now.
On July 07 2011 05:50 aFreShTV wrote: Endrey, what would you call professional after being stolen of very close 50€ and time , waited for over 30 minutes , being insulted and screwed by the admin in this way? I know it is hard to imagine but try to imagine this situation when I was "on fire" ...
Everyone is already sympathizing with you. Everyone is already on your side. Most of the people who read this thread want nothing more to do with Competo. What more do you want?
Endrey even said he would not cast any more Competo cups. It really seems like you're just attention whoring and whining now.
He's just replying to Endrey repeatedly calling him very unprofessional. I don't see him attention whoring with that post at all.
On July 05 2011 06:22 aFreShTV wrote: Endray cannot do anything, I do not think he even tried or should tryy.
Which help are you hoping from then, if not Endrey`s?
Watching final streamed by Endrey right now is a pain in my chest...
Get over it, my sympathy for you is dwindling. You make a post and make a point. Endrey promises to look into it, you say he wouldn't and shouldn't do anything, then what's the whole point of this?
Is this supposed to be a pity party or do you want to get something done?
Yea excactly, he should be grateful for that endrey takes a look at it. I remember seeing a buddy of mine losing in finals of 4PL just because they were using ladder versions of maps. (ZvT close pos on metalo) Messaged endrey about it and he said immediately he was gonna take it to the admins. And now they are using MLG version of metalopolis! Two thumbs up to you Endrey!
On July 07 2011 05:50 aFreShTV wrote: Endrey, what would you call professional after being stolen of very close 50€ and time , waited for over 30 minutes , being insulted and screwed by the admin in this way? I know it is hard to imagine but try to imagine this situation when I was "on fire" ...
I doubt most people really feel bad for you anymore the way you have acted as immature as you handled the situations yes toxi is a bm douchebag and the admins handled it wrong but you acted insanely immature and handled it wrong.
On July 07 2011 05:50 aFreShTV wrote: Endrey, what would you call professional after being stolen of very close 50€ and time , waited for over 30 minutes , being insulted and screwed by the admin in this way? I know it is hard to imagine but try to imagine this situation when I was "on fire" ...
Everyone is already sympathizing with you. Everyone is already on your side. Most of the people who read this thread want nothing more to do with Competo. What more do you want?
Endrey even said he would not cast any more Competo cups. It really seems like you're just attention whoring and whining now.
On July 07 2011 05:50 aFreShTV wrote: Endrey, what would you call professional after being stolen of very close 50€ and time , waited for over 30 minutes , being insulted and screwed by the admin in this way? I know it is hard to imagine but try to imagine this situation when I was "on fire" ...
I doubt most people really feel bad for you anymore the way you have acted as immature as you handled the situations yes toxi is a bm douchebag and the admins handled it wrong but you acted insanely immature and handled it wrong.
I'd really love to see how the people calling Fresh immature would act in the same situation.
On July 07 2011 05:50 aFreShTV wrote: Endrey, what would you call professional after being stolen of very close 50€ and time , waited for over 30 minutes , being insulted and screwed by the admin in this way? I know it is hard to imagine but try to imagine this situation when I was "on fire" ...
I doubt most people really feel bad for you anymore the way you have acted as immature as you handled the situations yes toxi is a bm douchebag and the admins handled it wrong but you acted insanely immature and handled it wrong.
I'd really love to see how the people calling Fresh immature would act in the same situation.
Clearly being cheated out of possible money and time, they would sit down and have a mature discussion with all the involved parties. Tea and biscuits would be included of course because of their maturity.
On July 07 2011 05:50 aFreShTV wrote: Endrey, what would you call professional after being stolen of very close 50€ and time , waited for over 30 minutes , being insulted and screwed by the admin in this way? I know it is hard to imagine but try to imagine this situation when I was "on fire" ...
I doubt most people really feel bad for you anymore the way you have acted as immature as you handled the situations yes toxi is a bm douchebag and the admins handled it wrong but you acted insanely immature and handled it wrong.
If you read the topic through you actually will see that Fresh admitted acting immaturely, saying his age is indeed a factor in how he handled all this. His 'mature' followup was that he would try to learn to handle these kinds of situations more appropriate.
Ahwell, no news till some CC-admins stroll around here dignifying 45k topicviews with their side of the story.
It's always sad to see things like this occurring, I think it's actually worse in small tournaments like this, as it can put off amateur gamers who may otherwise have gone on to be great pros.
Hm, never really watched any of these small tournaments, but now I know that this Competo Cup is completely unorganized and full of ignorant admins. Sympathies to Fresh.
I've read this entire thread, and in conclusion, people sure do like to post when they haven't bothered to read the whole story. Anyone with any great amount of sympathy or anger for anyone of the main players in the little tale (Fresh/Toxi/The Admin) please re read the thread and try to maintain an objective perspective. You'll probably find that none of our aforementioned characters came off as very amicable in this particular scenario. In the long run what happened doesn't really matter that much and was almost entirely the result of bad organization, and bad communication from all parties.
Also for anyone who still thinks otherwise the admin was not Toxi's girlfriend(nor probably a girl), reading comprehension folks, it's a useful skill toi have.
this thread and its contents (including endrey quitting - reasonable decision) might singlehandedly kill the tournament (not mentioning all the work that the admins and the other people involved spent to make it worse).
On July 08 2011 02:23 drooL wrote: this thread and its contents (including endrey quitting - reasonable decision) might singlehandedly kill the tournament (not mentioning all the work that the admins and the other people involved spent to make it worse).
funny :>
This has obviously struck a collective nerve in TL, people care more than one would expect about stories like this; IMO caring a lot that rules are followed fairly and strictly is part of the makeup of a TL member, and may also go hand-in-hand with being an RTS gamer. If no one official is going to say anything about this situation, then the tournament ending might not be inappropriate.
On July 08 2011 02:23 drooL wrote: this thread and its contents (including endrey quitting - reasonable decision) might singlehandedly kill the tournament (not mentioning all the work that the admins and the other people involved spent to make it worse).
funny :>
This has obviously struck a collective nerve in TL, people care more than one would expect about stories like this; IMO caring a lot that rules are followed fairly and strictly is part of the makeup of a TL member, and may also go hand-in-hand with being an RTS gamer. If no one official is going to say anything about this situation, then the tournament ending might not be inappropriate.
yes, without a doubt. competo really should act soon or they will always be known as INCOMPETENTO CUP. and nobody wants that, i assume...
On July 07 2011 10:15 HornyHerring wrote: This is ridiculous. That's one of the reasons I don't watch all those poor tournaments like competo or go4sc2.
go4sc2 puts out great cups and has a very high skill level, they put a lot more money and time into their productions.
On July 08 2011 02:23 drooL wrote: this thread and its contents (including endrey quitting - reasonable decision) might singlehandedly kill the tournament (not mentioning all the work that the admins and the other people involved spent to make it worse).
funny :>
This has obviously struck a collective nerve in TL, people care more than one would expect about stories like this; IMO caring a lot that rules are followed fairly and strictly is part of the makeup of a TL member, and may also go hand-in-hand with being an RTS gamer. If no one official is going to say anything about this situation, then the tournament ending might not be inappropriate.
i dont think you are off base with this at all.
in fact, it is even more frustrating now that the actual competo thread has been bumped with links to this thread and questions about a response. it seems they arent simply ignoring this thread but ignoring the situation while being completely aware of the community outcry and general beating they are taking.
The lack of response from Competo shows that they don't care about the Starcraft community. I think it's in Team Liquid's prerogative to ban Competo from using Team Liquid to advertise for their tournament through the calendar and forum.
On July 05 2011 07:07 Tonttu wrote: Seems so stupid. Never played these small tournaments and never will if this is how things work there Since I got the feeling that even admins didn't know what they are doing and what they are supposed to do. idk. Well maybe some more admins would do the work, I don't know.
so you saw one player complaining about decision in a tour - all small tours are bad :§
like chill said - to many people talking in absolutes nowadays - gz you are one one of them
gg wp -
now everybody how about calming down . lets just wait what i will find out
Did you fail to notice the 2 other reports of nonsense like this in small online tourneys???
On July 06 2011 02:33 Toxi78 wrote: okay one last freaking time, HE GOT THE RIGHT TO PLAY AGAINST ME, but he put me on ignore and refused to talk to the admins, thats why he got DQed.
On July 06 2011 02:55 Toxi78 wrote: some guys come here, read the op, read the last posts and discuss things that have been discussed already. how about you read the posts and know what happend before you talk? he had a "dq" after not stating the truth to an admin, while having no opponents because we were actually playing the previous round.
On July 08 2011 06:11 ptbl wrote: The lack of response from Competo shows that they don't care about the Starcraft community. I think it's in Team Liquid's prerogative to ban Competo from using Team Liquid to advertise for their tournament through the calendar and forum.
yeah i would agree. it's a strong and significant move, but as you say, it doesn't seem like they care about this community so they might as well be excluded from it.
On July 08 2011 19:43 iNViCiOUZ wrote: The Cup on coming monday (11.07.) is not listet in Tournament Tracker. So it seems like TL has already reacted.
Might be a good move on TLs part till admins come in to explain what happened. Maybe they can tell us something we dont know cause I have a hard time trusting toxi.. In the end I think the cup should have a chance to clear its name and get back on TL if they put an effort into it
Interesting they still haven't responded to this. Even sent an email to see if I could get a response and it's been 4 days and nothing so far. I guess they're just hoping if they ignore it long enough it will go away.
EPT
Those 2 guys need to be banned from managing/organizing events in future. They also need balls.
This thread got alot more interesting! 
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