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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.

Stick to the games and enjoy the event and its free services and coverage.
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
June 20 2011 13:59 GMT
#5201
On June 20 2011 22:55 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:44 Xception704 wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:35 daxile wrote:
so many moon doubters, where are you now ^^?


Here I am, he went for extremely cheesy strategies in all 3 games and Bomber played right into his hands.


Wow are you serious.

1. Bomber goes 2 port banshee all-in first game and gets lucky.
2. Moon beats Bomber in a straight-up macro game in game 2.
3. Bomber plays like shit in game 3 and gets straight up raped by Moon.

1 + 2 + 3 = Moon went for extremely cheesy strategies .......?????

Don't be mad you lost money. Bomber was the cheesy one this series and Moon took advantage. I don't even like Moon (nor do I dislike him) but you're post is so full of shit; it's like you didn't even watch the game.


1. Baneling bust instead of teching to muta which is the correct response to 2 port banshee
2. Baneling bust, which got him a 30 drone lead, that he decided to drag out into a 37 minute game
3. Pure roach against Terran ... Need I say more? Had Bomber not suicided ALL his units into the fog of war + creep he would've won 100%.

You've got 2 points wrong:

2. The baneling bust was after failed helion pressure, so it was also the correct response. As for dragging it into a 40min game, recall how many Orbitals Bomber had even though he lost control of his natural (3 or 4?). There was never a "30 drone lead."
3. He also had overloard drops, which are relatively untested. Even if Bomber hadn't suicided his tanks in, it would've been hard to keep his main defended while continuing his death push.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 20 2011 13:59 GMT
#5202
Anyone could set up a restream ? I'm so angry if I miss Bomber's games.
shikheh
Profile Joined May 2010
136 Posts
June 20 2011 13:59 GMT
#5203
On June 20 2011 22:56 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:53 pAzand wrote:
Well I wouldn't say a 70% winrate in TvZ is bad including a 3-0 record against Losira, what's up with people always bashing on the players losing games? Every player will lose games in Sc2, that's how it is and always will be...

Well done by Moon, gl in the finals, but... HUK FIGHTING!

Well, not hating on Bomber's record here, I think he's amazing, but don't count Losira's ZvT in this discussion haha His ZvT is really lackluster.


I think that's really odd that Losira's ZvT needs work, considering one of his practice

partner is IMMVP...:0
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5204
On June 20 2011 22:57 LoCaD wrote:
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On June 20 2011 22:56 Bashion wrote:
OMG

plz, someone tell me how was the third game of Bomber vs Moon?

I know Moon won, but how did it go?

My internet went off during half of the second game


that wasnt your internet it wenn off for everyone and still is for me.

1080p refused to work and everyone who had it on a high resultion had a black screen.

Game 3 was Bomber faking a 2 rax but expanding and Moon doing a (kind of ) 2 Base allin with pure roach production, Bomber moves out on the creep and gets overwhelmed by Moon, Moon then drops the main and wins
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5205
Anyone else enjoying the music in stream break time as much as I am?
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5206
On June 20 2011 22:58 shizna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:37 shikheh wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:36 shizna wrote:
i didn't want to say anything before, but bomber was hugely disappointing in this tournament.

i didn't see anything special. he's like julyzerg but terran. very aggressive and solid play, but so risky and cocky - cheese/hidden expo etc. consistantly disappointing even from his first group match, definitely not deserving of winning the tournament.


mana and happy could have beaten him in the group stages with a bit of luck.



You have got to be kidding me.

Is that why all the korean players in GSL are so scared of him?

Give me a break.


obviously he's a good player. but his demonstration of skill at dreamhack summer has been lacking.

i can't recall a single series in this tournament that bomber won through simply outclassing his opponent.

look at his first game versus happy on xel'naga caverns. happy's skill was easily on the level of bomber, but unfortunately happy failed to spot the hidden expo which cost him the game (and similar in game2 plus the cheese).

in the final game against MC, he won because MC was trying too hard to get the experimental archon composition right from the start. hence the mass zealots and almost skipping colossus, such a fragile build in PvT because you need sentry to survive but that makes your zealots weak as hell. bomber just went standard and practically won with an a-move.


players like MC, MMA, nestea and MVP look so good. you can tell it's them because of insanely good decision making, control and taking 'unusual' strategies and making them insanely good.

bomber's decision making looks sloppy.

I assume you missed his actual first game which was versus XLord. I'd say that one was won through outclassing his opponent.
But Bomber hasn't really impressed at Dreamhack no, that is correct.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5207
On June 20 2011 22:57 jhrjbhzcgf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:55 Telcontar wrote:
Is the stream blanking out for anyone else?


Never watched justin.tv before? They are too retarded to get the stream to work properly for europeans! Nearly half of the weekend we could only watch it with us-proxies.

Thanks! Did not know proxies solved the issue.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5208
Holy crap how did Moon knock out Naniwa AND Bomber?!? God DAMMIT I KNEW I SHOULDNT HAVE WENT TO SLEEP. Also it's awesome HuK is there too. As much as I love HuK & fellow countryman gotta go with the childhood legend, Jang Jae HOO!!! YAWWWWWWWW GO MOONKA
Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5209
When does the next game start?
Godstorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania845 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5210
Here we go 3rd place:bomber vs julyzerg! Let's see if bomber's tvz is good but he had bad luck vs moon.
"It's not that he's dumb, he's just neural parasited by a retarded infestor"-Day 9
Xception704
Profile Joined May 2008
United States161 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5211
On June 20 2011 22:55 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:44 Xception704 wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:35 daxile wrote:
so many moon doubters, where are you now ^^?


Here I am, he went for extremely cheesy strategies in all 3 games and Bomber played right into his hands.


Wow are you serious.

1. Bomber goes 2 port banshee all-in first game and gets lucky.
2. Moon beats Bomber in a straight-up macro game in game 2.
3. Bomber plays like shit in game 3 and gets straight up raped by Moon.

1 + 2 + 3 = Moon went for extremely cheesy strategies .......?????

Don't be mad you lost money. Bomber was the cheesy one this series and Moon took advantage. I don't even like Moon (nor do I dislike him) but you're post is so full of shit; it's like you didn't even watch the game.


1. Baneling bust instead of teching to muta which is the correct response to 2 port banshee
2. Baneling bust, which got him a 30 drone lead, that he decided to drag out into a 37 minute game
3. Pure roach against Terran ... Need I say more? Had Bomber not suicided ALL his units into the fog of war + creep he would've won 100%.


1. Being aggressive vs. cheesy all-in aggression makes Moon the cheesy one right?
2. What you wrote in no way agrees with your accusation of "extremely cheesy strategy."
3. ... derp. Moon scouted the 2 gas so he knew blue-flame hellions were a possibility. Roaches are the correct response to hellions, no? In any case how the fuck does Bomber suiciding units mean Moon is cheesy?

Your posts don't even agree with each other, and you need to stop posting that shit before you look even more the idiot that you already have.

Better to keep your mouth shut and have people wonder if you're stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5212
On June 20 2011 22:55 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:44 Xception704 wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:35 daxile wrote:
so many moon doubters, where are you now ^^?


Here I am, he went for extremely cheesy strategies in all 3 games and Bomber played right into his hands.


Wow are you serious.

1. Bomber goes 2 port banshee all-in first game and gets lucky.
2. Moon beats Bomber in a straight-up macro game in game 2.
3. Bomber plays like shit in game 3 and gets straight up raped by Moon.

1 + 2 + 3 = Moon went for extremely cheesy strategies .......?????

Don't be mad you lost money. Bomber was the cheesy one this series and Moon took advantage. I don't even like Moon (nor do I dislike him) but you're post is so full of shit; it's like you didn't even watch the game.


1. Baneling bust instead of teching to muta which is the correct response to 2 port banshee
2. Baneling bust, which got him a 30 drone lead, that he decided to drag out into a 37 minute game
3. Pure roach against Terran ... Need I say more? Had Bomber not suicided ALL his units into the fog of war + creep he would've won 100%.




1. lol more like, 1 all-in vs another
2. playing macro, playing absolutely safe (not trying to break the tank wall) is "deciding to drag out"? Sure there were some bad engagements, but who won in the end?
3. again Moon won the mindgames here, with the pool first expecting 2 rax and then taking advantage of the close air positions with drop.
I never understand the arguments like, "X player played better than the guy who won!" especially over a BoX. No. If that's true, why didn't he win?

You have been trolling all weekend with your blatant fanboyism and speculation ("bomber would have won 100%" as if you can predict how every engagement would go?). please stop ok?
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5213
On June 20 2011 22:59 Nevarix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:57 jhrjbhzcgf wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:55 Telcontar wrote:
Is the stream blanking out for anyone else?


Never watched justin.tv before? They are too retarded to get the stream to work properly for europeans! Nearly half of the weekend we could only watch it with us-proxies.


Who's we?

I know me and all my swedish friends were able to watch in without any problem whatsoever.

Yeah I've had no problems with jtv before that last game between bomber and moon. I guess they're having some technical difficulties.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5214
On June 20 2011 22:58 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:57 LoCaD wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:56 Bashion wrote:
OMG

plz, someone tell me how was the third game of Bomber vs Moon?

I know Moon won, but how did it go?

My internet went off during half of the second game


that wasnt your internet it wenn off for everyone and still is for me.

not true it was working on 720p (apparently) which i was always on

basically moon started amassing roaches while getting overlord drop and roach speed at the same time, then he moved out just as bomber was making a huge timing attack with tanks and marines

moon caught all of them off guard and unsieged, killed them all
then instead of just running in moon picked up all his roaches and sent them straight into the main

nothing bomber could do


I missed the game so I have no ground to speak but you make it sound an awful lot like medivac play :D
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5215
On June 20 2011 22:58 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:55 Baituri wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:53 hifriend wrote:
bronze finals = the real final

Why? HuK and Moon clearly deserve to be in the Finals, because they were the better players today..

yeah huk is like the best player in the world now that he beat predy, socke, fury, lalush etc


Have you by purpose forgotten Moon and July ? Because he 2-0 them... Huk would win 3 gsl in a row, you will still be here saying he's a noob ...
And he didn't say the best player in the world, he said the "better players today" try to read
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#5216
On June 20 2011 22:58 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:55 Baituri wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:53 hifriend wrote:
bronze finals = the real final

Why? HuK and Moon clearly deserve to be in the Finals, because they were the better players today..

yeah huk is like the best player in the world now that he beat predy, socke, fury, lalush etc

Too bad tournaments can't be round robins with Best of Infinity matches.
woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
June 20 2011 14:01 GMT
#5217
chickenlips what is your problem, you are letting your obsessive 'fanboyismness' and feel the need to moan and bitch on here? moons 'cheesy baneling busts' were in response to Bombers 'cheesy 2pot banshee.'

cheese is a part of the game, you cant bash players you dont obsess over for cheesing and then praise the ones you do for implementing it into their strategy.

god, youre such an annoying person
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 20 2011 14:01 GMT
#5218
On June 20 2011 22:58 svi wrote:
stop overrating moon.

seriously rain has made GSL finals and we all know how bad he is.

moon is getting crushed in the finals and i'll be there to say i told you so.

No one's overrating Moon. We all get that he's not the best Korean who got invited. But he deserves his place in the finals.

The comparison with Rain is ridiculous for two reasons:

1. Rain isn't that bad.
2. Rain got through by cheesing most of his games. Moon has won long drawn out macro games against extremely tough opponents, going 4-1 in his group and beating WhiteRa, Naniwa and now Bomber.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
June 20 2011 14:01 GMT
#5219
Is the stream meant to be up now?
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 20 2011 14:01 GMT
#5220
On June 20 2011 23:00 Slardar wrote:
Holy crap how did Moon knock out Naniwa AND Bomber?!? God DAMMIT I KNEW I SHOULDNT HAVE WENT TO SLEEP. Also it's awesome HuK is there too. As much as I love HuK & fellow countryman gotta go with the childhood legend, Jang Jae HOO!!! YAWWWWWWWW GO MOONKA

Calm down tiger, prepare some food, the awesome final is coming soon!!
Terran
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