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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining

Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 19 2011 19:39 GMT
#10161
Hasuobs vs. Bomber on Terminus
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
June 19 2011 19:39 GMT
#10162
Sigh, it's kind of annoying to have a schedule and then not stick to it. Start cooking dinner so it's nicely timed before watching the matches on the hour, and then it starts early so I'll miss the one I wanted to see

oh well, go Bomber.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 19 2011 19:39 GMT
#10163
On June 20 2011 04:35 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:33 DoomsVille wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:32 mcc wrote:
Hmm, seems like it will be Korean domination, at least I see top 2 being Koreans as MC v Bomber will eliminate one of the in quarterfinals. Shame that ThorZain is not in anymore as he was probably the only one who in my opinion could have taken MC or Bomber out. I don't think any EU protoss can beat Bomber and PvP vs MC is more likely, but still very hard. Idra or Sen can beat Bomber possibly if they meet, but in Idra's case that is highly unlikely

I can see MC losing to NaNiwa or white-ra in PvP.

I mean NaNiwa vs. MC at MLG wasn't exactly completely one-sided. The games were pretty terrible BO loses. PvP is just so random that any of the 3 could beat each other.


MC destroyed nani in colombus. PvP isn't as random as people think it is. It IS extremely unforgiving, but for players with near perfect micro like MC it becomes much less of a toss-up.

I'd say special taktiks have a better chance

He didn't destroy him... the DT game was pretty much a BO loss. Although admittedly I can't remember what happened in the second game... its been awhile

And it is much less micro dependant since it stopped being 4 gate vs. 4 gate. Now there are so many BO losses. Like even Tyler (who has been out of practice for so long and clearly isn't up to Naniwa, MC or white-ras level) managed to take a game off MC and should have won their series at MLG (if not for some terrible blunders).
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
June 19 2011 19:39 GMT
#10164
--- Nuked ---
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#10165
The games are starting? What?
lalala
Damian
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany335 Posts
June 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#10166
On June 20 2011 04:39 sQually wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:37 MechKing wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:35 sQually wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:33 Telcontar wrote:
I just hope we see a terran make it to the Ro8.


Yeah man, terran have really been struggling to make it far in tournaments lately. MLG and GSL have been proof of this..


Um, didn't MLG have like 5 out of 8 players left Zerg? Foreigner terrans aren't doing so well now, only KR terrans.


Lol terran tears

Let me think of the Ro4 of the GSLST....
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
June 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#10167
On June 20 2011 04:33 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:32 mcc wrote:
Hmm, seems like it will be Korean domination, at least I see top 2 being Koreans as MC v Bomber will eliminate one of the in quarterfinals. Shame that ThorZain is not in anymore as he was probably the only one who in my opinion could have taken MC or Bomber out. I don't think any EU protoss can beat Bomber and PvP vs MC is more likely, but still very hard. Idra or Sen can beat Bomber possibly if they meet, but in Idra's case that is highly unlikely

I can see MC losing to NaNiwa or white-ra in PvP.

I mean NaNiwa vs. MC at MLG wasn't exactly completely one-sided. The games were pretty terrible BO loses. PvP is just so random that any of the 3 could beat each other.


Stop spreading this false rumor that PvP is random. Good protosses consistently beat bad protosses, their PvP record is a testament to that.
in a state of trance
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#10168
On June 20 2011 04:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hasuobs vs. Bomber on Terminus


On ICCUP
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
June 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#10169
On June 20 2011 04:39 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:30 Dariusz wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:29 Pipeline wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:26 sc2olorin wrote:
On June 20 2011 03:17 sc2olorin wrote:
Here are the correct predictions FYI

Ro16
Socke vs Ret
Huk vs Predy
July vs Mana
Sase vs Sen
MC vs Idra
Bomber vs HasuObs
WhiteRa vs Moon
BratOK vs Naniwa

Ro8
Socke vs Huk
July vs Sen
MC vs Hasu
Whitera vs Naniwa

Ro4
Socke vs Sen
Hasu vs Naniwa

Final
Sen vs Naniwa


Yeah, it's a lot of PvP, but sorry, I can't control the future, only predict it.


4 for 4 so far!

:D


You sir, are crazy. Do you really think Hasu will beat Bomber.... and then beat MC? No chance


He beat Thorzain.

Well that sure is an irrelevant answer if I've ever seen one. He beat Thorzain. Hahahaha so what??? Thorzain??? What does beating Thorzain have to do with even being close to capable of beating Bomber? Bomber and Thorzain aren't even close in terms of skill. Not even close.

Bomber hasn't really looked that impressive in this tournament though. He's good but certainly not unbeatable.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
June 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#10170
On June 20 2011 04:39 sQually wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:37 MechKing wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:35 sQually wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:33 Telcontar wrote:
I just hope we see a terran make it to the Ro8.


Yeah man, terran have really been struggling to make it far in tournaments lately. MLG and GSL have been proof of this..


Um, didn't MLG have like 5 out of 8 players left Zerg? Foreigner terrans aren't doing so well now, only KR terrans.


Lol terran tears

How the hell is that tears? I just said foreigner terrans aren't doing well, don't be dumb. I never said anything about imbalance.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#10171
On June 20 2011 04:27 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:26 mr_tolkien wrote:
ForceFields + Blinks make ZvP SO boring to see. The Toss gets to choose every engagement, and can slow the pace HUUUUUGE time.

No, roach/hydra makes ZvP boring. Big blob, 1a, no creativity.

Got to agree on that one.
The legend of Darien lives on
PigglyWinks
Profile Joined May 2011
364 Posts
June 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#10172
Bomber needs to cripple HasuObs early on, or he'll be dangerous.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#10173
On June 20 2011 04:39 zeru wrote:
wth is this "music" on day9s stream... it sounds like random noises thrown together in a random order -_-


Probably Dubstep
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Quesa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States304 Posts
June 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#10174
On June 20 2011 04:35 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:33 DoomsVille wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:32 mcc wrote:
Hmm, seems like it will be Korean domination, at least I see top 2 being Koreans as MC v Bomber will eliminate one of the in quarterfinals. Shame that ThorZain is not in anymore as he was probably the only one who in my opinion could have taken MC or Bomber out. I don't think any EU protoss can beat Bomber and PvP vs MC is more likely, but still very hard. Idra or Sen can beat Bomber possibly if they meet, but in Idra's case that is highly unlikely

I can see MC losing to NaNiwa or white-ra in PvP.

I mean NaNiwa vs. MC at MLG wasn't exactly completely one-sided. The games were pretty terrible BO loses. PvP is just so random that any of the 3 could beat each other.


MC destroyed nani in colombus. PvP isn't as random as people think it is. It IS extremely unforgiving, but for players with near perfect micro like MC it becomes much less of a toss-up.

I'd say special taktiks have a better chance


Game one, Naniwa broke MC's front and danced his zealots pixels away from seeing the dark shrine, assuming he'd already won and failed to react to the game continuing past that point. Game two, Naniwa inexplicably did a build incapable of holding off a 4 gate and GG'd as soon as he saw the pressure. "Destroyed" is a very odd way of describing those short, very exciting yet terrible games.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 19:41:44
June 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#10175
While Ret's ZvP might have seemed uninspired compared to Sen's and July's, he did get quite far in this tournament and lost to Socke, who has one of the best PvZs in Europe.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#10176
On June 20 2011 04:40 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hasuobs vs. Bomber on Terminus


On ICCUP


and Khaldor.

ICCUP is sometimes hit or miss.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11111 Posts
June 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#10177
On June 20 2011 04:39 Damian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:35 mordk wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:33 DoomsVille wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:32 mcc wrote:
Hmm, seems like it will be Korean domination, at least I see top 2 being Koreans as MC v Bomber will eliminate one of the in quarterfinals. Shame that ThorZain is not in anymore as he was probably the only one who in my opinion could have taken MC or Bomber out. I don't think any EU protoss can beat Bomber and PvP vs MC is more likely, but still very hard. Idra or Sen can beat Bomber possibly if they meet, but in Idra's case that is highly unlikely

I can see MC losing to NaNiwa or white-ra in PvP.

I mean NaNiwa vs. MC at MLG wasn't exactly completely one-sided. The games were pretty terrible BO loses. PvP is just so random that any of the 3 could beat each other.


MC destroyed nani in colombus. PvP isn't as random as people think it is. It IS extremely unforgiving, but for players with near perfect micro like MC it becomes much less of a toss-up.

I'd say special taktiks have a better chance

That's why Alicia destroyed MC in the GSLST (outmicroed MC), but he still has by far the best PvP at this tournament, that's why it is his tournament to win, if he can defeat Bomber


I thought that was one of the fascinating insights by artosis about MC vs Inca's pvp. MC's a mechanics based style generally where he just outskills his opponent. Inca develops all sorts of kooky BOs. I think it's interesting how at least this match up has this sort of dynamic (it's so noticeable because it is a mirror). This is not to say that MC doesn't make great builds or can't come up with weird mirror cheeses, but i think it's an interesting insight.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#10178
On June 20 2011 04:40 nokz88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:33 DoomsVille wrote:
On June 20 2011 04:32 mcc wrote:
Hmm, seems like it will be Korean domination, at least I see top 2 being Koreans as MC v Bomber will eliminate one of the in quarterfinals. Shame that ThorZain is not in anymore as he was probably the only one who in my opinion could have taken MC or Bomber out. I don't think any EU protoss can beat Bomber and PvP vs MC is more likely, but still very hard. Idra or Sen can beat Bomber possibly if they meet, but in Idra's case that is highly unlikely

I can see MC losing to NaNiwa or white-ra in PvP.

I mean NaNiwa vs. MC at MLG wasn't exactly completely one-sided. The games were pretty terrible BO loses. PvP is just so random that any of the 3 could beat each other.


Stop spreading this false rumor that PvP is random. Good protosses consistently beat bad protosses, their PvP record is a testament to that.

Clearly I meant random enough for any of those 3 to win against each other. I didn't mean random enough for anyone to win at any given time.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
June 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#10179
Wow I can't believe I never found about the local time zone thing earlier. Now everything is more clear.
Marines > everything
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
June 19 2011 19:41 GMT
#10180
On June 20 2011 04:41 Azarkon wrote:
While Ret's ZvP might have seemed uninspired compared to Sen's and July's, he did get quite far in this tournament and lost to Socke, who has one of the best PvZ in Europe.

Yeah but only because Whitera and Mana are really bad in PvZ =D
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