EPT[NASL] Season 2 Qualifier - Page 22
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
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Sooji
United States121 Posts
Why wouldn't they start it a couple of hours earlier? Then the times are reasonable for everyone...unless you live in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. 3 hours earlier: 10am East Coast 7am West Coast 4pm CEST 11pm Korean | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:36 puzzl wrote: So, why are you lying to us? It is clear that that isn't the case. Please show us the list of top 32 players you used for seeding. I think it's legit. It's just that binarybeast automatic seeding places seeded players in different places than we normally have come to expect from the millions of online sc2 cups. Sort of like this: http://binarybeast.com/xBW1011191 | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:14 Sooji wrote: Korean's have to play at 2am? What? Why wouldn't they start it a couple of hours earlier? Then the times are reasonable for everyone...unless you live in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. 3 hours earlier: 10am East Coast 7am West Coast 4pm CEST 11pm Korean These are geeks. 2 AM is a damn sight more reasonable than 7 AM. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:26 LaLuSh wrote: I think it's legit. It's just that binarybeast automatic seeding places seeded players in different places than we normally have come to expect from the millions of online sc2 cups. Sort of like this: http://binarybeast.com/xBW1011191 Holy hell is that retarded. 1-17 instead of 1-32 is a big wtf... | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:26 LaLuSh wrote: I think it's legit. It's just that binarybeast automatic seeding places seeded players in different places than we normally have come to expect from the millions of online sc2 cups. Sort of like this: http://binarybeast.com/xBW1011191 That seeding makes about zero sense. The games get progressively easier from 1st seed up until 16th seed. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:37 Nimic wrote: That seeding makes about zero sense. The games get progressively easier from 1st seed up until 16th seed. Agreed, so many top players are getting knocked in the early stages. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:48 babylon wrote: Ah, thanks. That actually sounds pretty hilarious/epic, if very, very frustrating to play against. Any recommended games? While I haven't watched nearly as much of Goody's TvT as I would have liked, his TvZ series against Nestea in TSL3 was friggen unbelievable and the final game of that series is one of the few that I've watched more than three times: http://www.pokerstrategytsl3.com/vods But yeah he's a really fun player to watch especially if you get tired of seeing terran bioballs. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Xeris obviously did the right thing by using the International ELO. It rewards the Korean players who have participated in previous international tournaments. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:21 Bobster wrote: Using the Korean ELO for an international tournament (and arbitrarily deducting numbers from the International ELO to make it "even") is one of the dumbest thing I've recently heard. Xeris obviously did the right thing by using the International ELO. It rewards the Korean players who have participated in previous international tournaments. It also created false seedings that made the tournament and NASL overall worse in term of player quality. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
It also created false seedings that made the tournament and NASL overall worse in term of player quality. People were going to complain no matter what seeding system he used, he picked one and stuck to it. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:32 baoluvboa wrote: It also created false seedings that made the tournament and NASL overall worse in term of player quality. lol the seeding doesn't guarantee that the "best" players don't run into each other until the end, considering "best" is arbitrary. Serena Williams may be the best female Tennis Player but she's unranked because she hasn't been playing on the WTA (or any tennis for that matter). Xeris appropriately used a system designed for international play and stuck with it. I think an alternative would have been to combine International/Korean ELOs with no inflation deduction, that's just too arbitrary. But I'm okay with the system used. Some people really just like to complain. | ||
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cwp
United States10 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:32 baoluvboa wrote: It also created false seedings that made the tournament and NASL overall worse in term of player quality. oh, no; some great players instead of the the alleged absolute best players will qualify. this is inhumane. the people who win with what they're given will qualify. such is life. | ||
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:14 Sooji wrote: Korean's have to play at 2am? What? Why wouldn't they start it a couple of hours earlier? Then the times are reasonable for everyone...unless you live in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. 3 hours earlier: 10am East Coast 7am West Coast 4pm CEST 11pm Korean Having to play a match prior to 10am seems ridiculous! | ||
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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:37 Nimic wrote: That seeding makes about zero sense. The games get progressively easier from 1st seed up until 16th seed. There seems to be different seeding options. This is a 16 player example of "traditional seeding". http://binarybeast.com/xBW1011231 Still not how most sc2 cups are seeded. But I don't think it makes too much of a difference in the end. | ||
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425kid
416 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:21 Bobster wrote: Using the Korean ELO for an international tournament (and arbitrarily deducting numbers from the International ELO to make it "even") is one of the dumbest thing I've recently heard. Xeris obviously did the right thing by using the International ELO. It rewards the Korean players who have participated in previous international tournaments. None of the s class players are seeded except maybe mkp? And goody and nerchio get top seeds because they beat randoms in go4sc2 weeklys? That sounds smart to you? None of the foreigners in this event deserve to be seeded. Goody showed how terrible he was last nasl. And you cant say its an international tournament, lets use international elo herpderp. Because omg, the koreans dont play in international events, but they do play in the nasl. It would be like the olympics seeding basketball teams by how well the players in the spanish league played. Do you really think goody is better than polt? Or Alicia? Or Check? Or SC? Or MMA? Or Heart? Or cella? Or anyone on ogs or zenex? He's not, and it takes insane amounts of stupidity to think this seeding was done remotely well. They couldnt even get brackets right with the seeding they used | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:46 425kid wrote: None of the s class players are seeded except maybe mkp? And goody and nerchio get top seeds because they beat randoms in go4sc2 weeklys? That sounds smart to you? None of the foreigners in this event deserve to be seeded. Goody showed how terrible he was last nasl. And you cant say its an international tournament, lets use international elo herpderp. Because omg, the koreans dont play in international events, but they do play in the nasl. It would be like the olympics seeding basketball teams by how well the players in the spanish league played. Do you really think goody is better than polt? Or Alicia? Or Check? Or SC? Or MMA? Or Heart? Or cella? Or anyone on ogs or zenex? He's not, and it takes insane amounts of stupidity to think this seeding was done remotely well. They couldnt even get brackets right with the seeding they used Agreed, even with the lag, most korean are still superior to the foreign counterparts. NASL just keeps on disappointing me. | ||
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Andrew2658
United States356 Posts
If you want to be upset with someone be upset with the Koreans who have not been participating in more online/offline international tournaments. They're the only one to blame for their low international ELO. | ||
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