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On June 19 2011 06:52 alepov wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:47 oogieogie wrote:On June 19 2011 06:39 sleepingdog wrote:On June 19 2011 06:34 Ocedic wrote:On June 19 2011 02:46 whiteLotus wrote:On June 19 2011 02:44 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 19 2011 02:43 whiteLotus wrote:On June 19 2011 02:40 heaven- wrote:On June 19 2011 02:35 whiteLotus wrote:
so strange lol, every wc3 player is doing amazing EXCEPT grubby lol well grubby switched around feb giving him 4 months to get to a status that everyone else had almost a year to get to. and honestly grubby is not doing bad at all. I dont expect him to be a super hero like he was in wc3, a game he played since like he was 15 years old... but he is gonna be like a strong player. come on do you even read anything lol, demuslim said already X times, grubby played alot back in BETA, and who cares 4 months or not, he looks bad, no potential tbh Someone's quick to judge. Why no potential? i mean come on, look at all his games, no macro nothing, he gets huge leads and then suddenly loses everything lol, he just looks bad to me, compared to other players who started not that long ago too, he looks just bad I don't think you'd have that attitude if Grubby had been a BW pro, not a WC3 pro. Two things: 1) You don't know Grubby's situation, how much he practices or how seriously he takes SC2, or if he's had other stuff going on in his life. To assume that he's been straight up training 24/7 for 4 months to produce mediocre results is making an assumption. 2) People are capable of improving in a very short amount of time, regardless of past results. Maybe something will click for him in a month, and he'll suddenly become the bonjwa of SC2. Flash was not considered a good player for a while, until he had a chance to shine finally. Basically, don't count anyone out :D Just to add to your true points: Grubby did pretty frickin good overall - players that finished WORSE in their respective groups: - Tyler - Morrow - Nightend - Kas - Adel - TT1 Just because he collapsed vs IdrA everyone is handing him shit, it really should be banworthy after a certain point. No respect for one of the most succesful overall esport-representatives from Europe is really disappointing considering that we are on TL and not some random scrub/kiddy-forum. I like to judge people from results in tournaments and how well I see how the player does. So atm I think the liquid team, grubby, EGMachine, etc. etc. could use improvements. I would hate to judge grubby on how good he is in WC3 and rather how good he is in SC2. We should respect him I guess on past achievements, but not until he starts showing better results that I will think he is a better player or will shine through. Why does he get privileged because of his achievements in a completely different game. He does not deserve all the tournament invites whatsoever and gets stomped by almost everyone. Today he had the best matches of his sc2 career so far btw, so don't pretend he's on an equal skill level as morrow/kas/etc. I don't hate him at all, he's a cool guy and I watch his stream sometimes because he plays aggressively with nice micro, but still..
The last big LAN he was at in Copnhagen he smashed Morrow and took third, what are you even talking about?
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On June 19 2011 06:52 Tsuki.eu wrote:
were can i found the vods?:S
So far, mostly on the corresponding Justin.tv channels, most of the Day9 games are on his blip.tv page and over time most will find their way to YouTube. I don't think there is an 'official' VoD page for Dreamhack.
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I'm soo tired. Need. to. watch. Dreamhack..
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On June 19 2011 06:47 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:47 cyclone25 wrote:On June 19 2011 06:46 Yaotzin wrote:
It's so embarassing for foreigners that a Korean as bad as Moon still owns them. Moon won 2-0 vs July in MLG and had a better finish than him. How bad is July in your eyes then? His ZvZ is pretty bad.
The thing is people are keen to bash on moon, if it was moon that wiffed a baneling trap like july did today there would be gifs everywhere again and then if he 6 pooled later i doubt he would have been complimented for that either.
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Not even Day9's vocal chords can keep him from screaming player names at the top of his lungs
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On June 19 2011 06:54 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is about to start on Tal'darim alter In the Top right location is  Tarson While in the Top left position is Moon  0:40 no early pools for moon 
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Barracks on the way for Tarson
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Hats off to the DreamHack crowd I gotta say. They're keeping up with Day[J]'s enthusiasm which is ... fucking epic ! :D
Wish I was there.
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You all sound like Idra, expecting people to play perfectly in every match. People make mistakes all the time.
Complaining about Grubbys lack of results when he's equal with idra in group play, complaining about moons apparent lack of micro when he's up 100 supply with banelings only and just a-move.
The fact of the matter is that the only thing that matters in the end is who won the game, not by how much or how well they played. If all these progamers are so horrible in your eyes, I think you should go there yourself. Should be pretty easy to beat julyzerg in zvz, grubby in macro games and moon in micro fights right?
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On June 19 2011 06:52 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:47 Pochtli wrote:On June 19 2011 06:45 grobo wrote:On June 19 2011 06:42 Ysellian wrote:On June 19 2011 06:41 grobo wrote:On June 19 2011 06:41 Zane wrote:On June 19 2011 06:40 grobo wrote:Hmm, why though? Because Grubby is more awesome than IdrA? Yeah, great, just the answer i was looking for. sigh.. Idra was said to be sick today so perhaps he pulled out? Hoping it's not true though I prefer to see Idra. (yes very unpatriotic from myself) Yeah that makes more sense, a shame though. =/ It could be due to winratios aswell, Idra is 7-6 (~53,8% winratio) while Grubby is 6-5 (~54,5% winratio). so wait is idra out now or wth i am confused because it just said on day9 stream that idra advances, but now you are saying brackets show otherwise?
I have no idea, apparently placement got changed and Grubby was placed over Idra here(which isn't working for me though). But I think it's based on the match between the two, so Idra should be advancing if he didn't pull out, not sure though.
Guess I made it more confusing than it is already, heh.
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On June 19 2011 06:54 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is about to start on Tal'darim alter In the Top right location is Tarson While in the Top left position is Moon 0:40 no early pools for moon 1:40Barracks on the way for Tarson
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Gas on the way for Tarson now
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What're the names of the casters on ICCup btw?
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On June 19 2011 06:50 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:47 oogieogie wrote:On June 19 2011 06:39 sleepingdog wrote:On June 19 2011 06:34 Ocedic wrote:On June 19 2011 02:46 whiteLotus wrote:On June 19 2011 02:44 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 19 2011 02:43 whiteLotus wrote:On June 19 2011 02:40 heaven- wrote:On June 19 2011 02:35 whiteLotus wrote:
so strange lol, every wc3 player is doing amazing EXCEPT grubby lol well grubby switched around feb giving him 4 months to get to a status that everyone else had almost a year to get to. and honestly grubby is not doing bad at all. I dont expect him to be a super hero like he was in wc3, a game he played since like he was 15 years old... but he is gonna be like a strong player. come on do you even read anything lol, demuslim said already X times, grubby played alot back in BETA, and who cares 4 months or not, he looks bad, no potential tbh Someone's quick to judge. Why no potential? i mean come on, look at all his games, no macro nothing, he gets huge leads and then suddenly loses everything lol, he just looks bad to me, compared to other players who started not that long ago too, he looks just bad I don't think you'd have that attitude if Grubby had been a BW pro, not a WC3 pro. Two things: 1) You don't know Grubby's situation, how much he practices or how seriously he takes SC2, or if he's had other stuff going on in his life. To assume that he's been straight up training 24/7 for 4 months to produce mediocre results is making an assumption. 2) People are capable of improving in a very short amount of time, regardless of past results. Maybe something will click for him in a month, and he'll suddenly become the bonjwa of SC2. Flash was not considered a good player for a while, until he had a chance to shine finally. Basically, don't count anyone out :D Just to add to your true points: Grubby did pretty frickin good overall - players that finished WORSE in their respective groups: - Tyler - Morrow - Nightend - Kas - Adel - TT1 Just because he collapsed vs IdrA everyone is handing him shit, it really should be banworthy after a certain point. No respect for one of the most succesful overall esport-representatives from Europe is really disappointing considering that we are on TL and not some random scrub/kiddy-forum. I like to judge people from results in tournaments and how well I see how the player does. So atm I think the liquid team, grubby, EGMachine, etc. etc. could use improvements. I would hate to judge grubby on how good he is in WC3 and rather how good he is in SC2. We should respect him I guess on past achievements, but not until he starts showing better results that I will think he is a better player or will shine through. He finished 3rd in a really difficult 6 man group, why aren't the 3 pro's who finished BELOW him and have probably been playing the game longer then him getting shit?
Probably because no one on that list have the hype that surrounds Grubby, Europe's best WC 3 player. People expect much from Grubby. He's not just some random scrub; he's a RTS legend.
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On June 19 2011 06:55 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is about to start on Tal'darim alter In the Top right location is Tarson While in the Top left position is Moon 0:40 no early pools for moon 1:40Barracks on the way for Tarson 2:00 Gas on the way for Tarson now
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Hatchery first for Moon
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Fuck we still won't get dailies from Sean after this tournament.. no way his voice could do it! Day9 fighting!
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Hopefully moon woke up in the meanwhile, his last 2 games were quite sloppy!
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On June 19 2011 06:54 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:47 Telcontar wrote:On June 19 2011 06:47 cyclone25 wrote:On June 19 2011 06:46 Yaotzin wrote:
It's so embarassing for foreigners that a Korean as bad as Moon still owns them. Moon won 2-0 vs July in MLG and had a better finish than him. How bad is July in your eyes then? His ZvZ is pretty bad. The thing is people are keen to bash on moon, if it was moon that wiffed a baneling trap like july did today there would be gifs everywhere again and then if he 6 pooled later i doubt he would have been complimented for that either.
Tbh, we don't need ANOTHER gif of Moon's epic baneling landmines.
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On June 19 2011 06:55 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:55 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2011 06:53 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is about to start on Tal'darim alter In the Top right location is Tarson While in the Top left position is Moon 0:40 no early pools for moon 1:40Barracks on the way for Tarson 2:00 Gas on the way for Tarson now 2:20 Hatchery first for Moon
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Drone gets into the base of Tarson
Pool on the way for Moon
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On June 19 2011 06:52 Engore wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:50 Rawr wrote:On June 19 2011 06:45 grobo wrote:On June 19 2011 06:42 Ysellian wrote:On June 19 2011 06:41 grobo wrote:On June 19 2011 06:41 Zane wrote:On June 19 2011 06:40 grobo wrote:Hmm, why though? Because Grubby is more awesome than IdrA? Yeah, great, just the answer i was looking for. sigh.. Idra was said to be sick today so perhaps he pulled out? Hoping it's not true though I prefer to see Idra. (yes very unpatriotic from myself) Yeah that makes more sense, a shame though. =/ Grubby went 3-2 (6-5). Idra also went 3-2 but with 7-6. If dreamhack thinks 6-5 is better than 7-6, they are going to put Grubby higher. And Grubby is also more awesome, which counts. So grubby can get outted in the next round? IdrA beat grubby anyways so i would think that they would go to that for a tiebreaker as well. Which should mean IdrA in all possible situations unless he did withdraw. Which i kinda doubt because i haven't seen any twitter update or FB from Eg about that.
I'd think that'd be the tiebreaker too, but it could be whoever has less total losses comes before player vs player tiebreak, which would explain the situation. Official rules anywhere?
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