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Laids
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom596 Posts
June 16 2011 03:06 GMT
#801
The biggest issue with Idra is that he will the use the most standard build at the time of playing in any MU, in today's game roach/infestor is standard, Zenio expected that and was already behind in roaches, so went Muta. It worked and Idra was punished for not seeing the roach v roach count and scouting to make sure he wasn't going Muta. If he had scouted then he would have seen the low roach count and suspected a muta tech switch straight away.
Nocthem
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada71 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#802
who cares he didn't gg'ed .... the real issue is that he's playing crappy for 2-3 months now.... something is going wrong for him.. impossible to know exactly what it is but it's clear to me that hes not in a good competitive mental state...
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Cryhavoc
Profile Joined April 2010
372 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#803
On June 16 2011 12:04 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:03 cheesemaster wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:00 storm44 wrote:
I don't get why idra acts like a 12 year old all the time,, really he can't type gg?

He just has no respect for koreans apparently, gg's everyone else besides the koreans....


IdrA USUALLY gg's Koreans. This time it probably was just his frustration at losing a chance at A LOT of money. This time, it may be lack of manner, but he certianly usually gg's Koreans.


lol he didnt gg boxer wtf are you talking about
En Taro Adun!
branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#804
On June 16 2011 12:04 Mallard wrote:
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On June 16 2011 12:00 storm44 wrote:
I don't get why idra acts like a 12 year old all the time,, really he can't type gg?


It is not fucking mandatory to type gg at the end of the game. There is no rule in this tournament. Some tournaments include rules for it but that is forced sportsmanship it is completely stupid.

If you personally do not consider it a good game then you should not say so. If you do then it is completely disingenuous. How is that sportsmanship?


gg is an "I officially concede". Without it you wouldn't know if their computer had suddenly crashed or something.
videogames
Profile Joined May 2011
United States103 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#805
On June 16 2011 12:04 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:03 cheesemaster wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:00 storm44 wrote:
I don't get why idra acts like a 12 year old all the time,, really he can't type gg?

He just has no respect for koreans apparently, gg's everyone else besides the koreans....


IdrA USUALLY gg's Koreans. This time it probably was just his frustration at losing a chance at A LOT of money. This time, it may be lack of manner, but he certianly usually gg's Koreans.


He only gg'd in GSL because he doesn't have the balls to bm Koreans in Korea.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#806
On June 16 2011 12:04 Jibba wrote:
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On June 16 2011 12:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:59 DennizR wrote:
Good play by Zenio. Idra was outclassed.

no he was outcheesed, a muta transition like that is a huge investment, and if idra has infestors out, zenio flat out loses. zenio chose to flip a coin, and it paid off. thats all there is too it

He had a window for it to work, and it did. Like someone else said, that's ehan timing. IdrA will say it's luck like he usually does, but he continually loses to mind games and deviations like that. It's been that way through his SC2 and BW career. And it was an educated guess based on his roaches. The payoff of infestors is always delayed because of the upgrade costs.

the mind games and aggression definitely payed off

idra thought he was just gonna all in him with that roach/ling/baneling push, set up a defense, thought he was safe and ahead when he didn't have the map and couldn't even move out to do more scouting, and zenio took complete advantage of it

he even cleared out the overlords and really extended with his queen to further take the map with his push, even though idra had the superior force at that time before the mutas came
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#807
On June 16 2011 12:05 udgnim wrote:
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On June 16 2011 12:04 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:03 jj33 wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:59 DennizR wrote:
Good play by Zenio. Idra was outclassed.

no he was outcheesed, a muta transition like that is a huge investment, and if idra has infestors out, zenio flat out loses. zenio chose to flip a coin, and it paid off. thats all there is too it



hahahaha

you don't know what you are talking about.

Idra was outplayed so badly in game 2.


BO wins = outplayed, i love guys like you telling things they have no clue about lol.


Idra 0-6 versus Zenio

that's some massive BO luck for Zenio


lol
*burp*
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#808
On June 16 2011 12:02 cablesc wrote:
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On June 16 2011 11:58 teamsolid wrote:
Rofl, Zenio 6-0 Idra total score?


Zenio 4-0, Boxer 2-0 Idra.


Zenio is 4-0 against IdrA in just NASL, but he also 2-0'd him in the GSL, hence the other posters comment about Zenio being 6-0 against IdrA.
For Aiur???
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#809
Zenio has 14 mutas grouped together.
Idra casts fungal growth, hits 1 of them.
"Earn your GG"
He seriously needs to sort his shit out, no big wins for ages, BMs when he loses and cries imba.
I wouldnt be bothered if he was some no name but the most famous players have a respnsibility to the game to make it interesting and exciting. Idra does pretty much the oposite of these things.
Also, not sure how it works with the playoffs, is idra out of the whole thing now?
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#810
there's no such thing as BO win. there's always a way to respond with scouting and superior micro.
Spectorials
Profile Joined October 2010
558 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#811
that was really smart by Zenio.

the timing was pretty fine though
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
June 16 2011 03:08 GMT
#812
On June 16 2011 12:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 11:59 DennizR wrote:
Good play by Zenio. Idra was outclassed.

no he was outcheesed, a muta transition like that is a huge investment, and if idra has infestors out, zenio flat out loses. zenio chose to flip a coin, and it paid off. thats all there is too it

Muta transitions are becoming more and more popular in zvz now that infestors cant pin them down for nearly as long. Artosis was talking about this a few weeks ago, and we have see countless games be won in this fashion. Thats how july zerg lost in the supertournament. Idra should have known that this strategy is becoming popular.

I would hardly call a tech switch like that a cheese. thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard, zenio getting up to 3 bases and doing a muta transition sure it was a huge investment but it worked and zenio knew it would be at least doing some damage he was constantly poking to idra's composition before he made the switch/ got the spire up and while he was getting it up just in case a cancel was in order. It was a very well thought out tech switch.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 16 2011 03:08 GMT
#813
On June 16 2011 12:06 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:04 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:03 jj33 wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:59 DennizR wrote:
Good play by Zenio. Idra was outclassed.

no he was outcheesed, a muta transition like that is a huge investment, and if idra has infestors out, zenio flat out loses. zenio chose to flip a coin, and it paid off. thats all there is too it



hahahaha

you don't know what you are talking about.

Idra was outplayed so badly in game 2.


BO wins = outplayed, i love guys like you telling things they have no clue about lol.


BO wins? Game 1 maybe...

Idra went hatch first without 9 scouting. That's as much of a cheese as an early pool build. You've got to send that drone out.

Game 2 Zenio just played smart.

He had total map control, making it very easy for him to keep Idra in the dark. The muta switch was incredibly clever.

Idra's awesome. I love the guy. He got outplayed today.


This. Also, outplayed doesn't need to be in long macro games, you can outplay somebody by knowing their style and countering it.

Everybody needs to stop posting the same stuff, if you're about to post that Idra sux and you hate him than it's already been said, move on. If you're about to post that Zenio won by BO and is a skill-less newby than it's already been said, move on.
Hi.
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
June 16 2011 03:08 GMT
#814
On June 16 2011 12:07 videogames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:04 CeriseCherries wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:03 cheesemaster wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:00 storm44 wrote:
I don't get why idra acts like a 12 year old all the time,, really he can't type gg?

He just has no respect for koreans apparently, gg's everyone else besides the koreans....


IdrA USUALLY gg's Koreans. This time it probably was just his frustration at losing a chance at A LOT of money. This time, it may be lack of manner, but he certianly usually gg's Koreans.


He only gg'd in GSL because he doesn't have the balls to bm Koreans in Korea.

or because its against gsl rules not to.
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
June 16 2011 03:08 GMT
#815
On June 16 2011 12:04 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:02 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why is there so much idra bashing? people obviously dont understand what just happened

I ain't surprised to see a hater of actually good players like Polt or MKP being a IdrA fancutsy, to be honest it makes total sense.


I'm not a hater of any pro gamers but I don't disagree with Idra's no-gg, he has nothing to gain from typing it and everything to gain from not-typing it. If he had said gg and left the game both times do you think the LR thread would be blowing up like this?

Like I said, chances are Machine just stole his g key.

Sure he has something to gain from typing it, it's called respect, ask actual progammers around instead of american teenagers and you will know what respected people think of Idra.
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
June 16 2011 03:08 GMT
#816
On June 16 2011 12:07 Blacktion wrote:
Zenio has 14 mutas grouped together.
Idra casts fungal growth, hits 1 of them.
"Earn your GG"
He seriously needs to sort his shit out, no big wins for ages, BMs when he loses and cries imba.
I wouldnt be bothered if he was some no name but the most famous players have a respnsibility to the game to make it interesting and exciting. Idra does pretty much the oposite of these things.
Also, not sure how it works with the playoffs, is idra out of the whole thing now?

yep hes completely out until next season.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
June 16 2011 03:08 GMT
#817
On June 16 2011 12:06 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:04 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:03 jj33 wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:59 DennizR wrote:
Good play by Zenio. Idra was outclassed.

no he was outcheesed, a muta transition like that is a huge investment, and if idra has infestors out, zenio flat out loses. zenio chose to flip a coin, and it paid off. thats all there is too it



hahahaha

you don't know what you are talking about.

Idra was outplayed so badly in game 2.


BO wins = outplayed, i love guys like you telling things they have no clue about lol.


BO wins? Game 1 maybe...

Idra went hatch first without 9 scouting. That's as much of a cheese as an early pool build. You've got to send that drone out.

Game 2 Zenio just played smart.

He had total map control, making it very easy for him to keep Idra in the dark. The muta switch was incredibly clever.

Idra's awesome. I love the guy. He got outplayed today.


Hey bitter, well game 1 even if he scouted on 9 it wouldnt matter its such a LARGE map that it wouldnt matter thats why he didnt.

Game 2 yeah idra wasnt expecting zenio didnt have much map control idra could have scouted with 1 ovie but idra prolly thot he was going all in when he saw the ammounts of roaches + banes at his base.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
June 16 2011 03:09 GMT
#818
On June 16 2011 12:06 MechKing wrote:
Idra really needs to start practicing more than 3 hours a day. That won't cut it, no matter how good you were at BW.

As true as that is, it gets to the point where practicing too much against what you have to compete with is wasted practice. He got eliminated from the NASL, people want to forget that he just placed 4th at MLG. Its pretty obvious people just want to troll to try and get a reaction from Idra fans, its just really annoying. I'm not a big Idra fan but he is basically one of the best if not the best NA has to offer as a player.
Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
June 16 2011 03:09 GMT
#819
lol is anyone seeing this
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.”
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 03:10:36
June 16 2011 03:09 GMT
#820
On June 16 2011 12:04 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:59 DennizR wrote:
Good play by Zenio. Idra was outclassed.

no he was outcheesed, a muta transition like that is a huge investment, and if idra has infestors out, zenio flat out loses. zenio chose to flip a coin, and it paid off. thats all there is too it

He had a window for it to work, and it did. Like someone else said, that's ehan timing. IdrA will say it's luck like he usually does, but he continually loses to mind games and deviations like that. It's been that way through his SC2 and BW career. And it was an educated guess based on his roaches. The payoff of infestors is always delayed because of the upgrade costs.


Exactly, if that's a coinflip then nearly all games ever played are coinflips. It's just an intelligent decision made my Zenio. Accessing the situation and abusing IdrA's lack of anti air and knowledge of what he's doing. You'd be silly to not punish if you knew you could. You've got to do what it takes to win. I love watching IdrA but you can't discredit Zenio. He just played better.
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