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On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
Spots in this league were highly coveted and debated amongst the community at great length. Painuser took one of those spots that could have gone to another Terran player.
Going into the league all the players knew about the schedule and even had to put down a deposit to ensure their responsibility in the league.
I believe this brings the total number of walkovers for Painuser to 4, including one where he was at the MLG headquarters. That's almost half of his matches missed.
It was also a chance to play the biggest name in SC history. People passionate for this game would not turn down that opportunity, they would find a way to make it work.
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On June 06 2011 13:20 iNCuBuS_ wrote:I am not so much bummed that I didn't get to see PainUser, but I am pretty bummed I didn't get to see Boxer  I think what Incontrol said was fine - I don't believe it was too harsh. If you sign up for something like the NASL, you should finish it, regardless of how well you do. Besides that, good job and thank you NASL for continuing to put on a good show
I'm bummed that we didn't get to see Nightend, or Dimaga, or other players that really wanted to be in the league that were passed over to give Painuser a spot.
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On June 06 2011 13:23 Chainfire99 wrote:
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
If they fire him I'll watch it, if not I won't.
This is the only way fans of competitive sc2 can protect it from assholes like Painuser who undermine it.
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On June 06 2011 13:24 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote:
How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens. At the very least it shows that he is unprofessional (not playing his matches 3 weeks in a row), and worst it shows his lack of respect for eSports (not telling NASL of his intention to quit the league, standing up BOXER, the father of SC esports, of all people).
I agree it is really rude and extremely disrespectful, but frankly I will support Painuser casting 'cause he is 10x better at casting than your average caster. We need more ex-play analyst style casters and less play-by-play guys who don't know enough about the game and can't even play it at a diamond/masters level. That is why I think it is ridiculous to say this hurts his casting career.
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On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote:
How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
Sure, shit happens, but: 1. Somebody has to pick up the shit and someone has to pay for it.
I'm sorry but the "get over it, shit happens" answer is as stupid as it gets. Say Painuser actually cares about this, he would show up. Qxc does it, Grubby does it and so do the rest of the players who by now know they have no chance of making the playoffs. It's completely hypocritical to say you want the growth of esports in North America yet you completely walk off on one of the attempts to make it big. Show up, do two cheesy plays that your opponents fend off, take you 20 minutes. People forget you as a player, you make your living as a decent caster, everyone is happy. But his way of handling things is not only completely childish but also pusillanimous. It isn't just a "shit happens" thing, is setting a Horrible example of esports in NA, it has to be dealt with swiftly and with, hopefully, truly terrible consequences for Painuser.
I hope NASL can make him truly regret doing this.
But Inc said it best: "You don't ditch the emperor."
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On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote:
How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
Because he is still working in the same industry (E-sport) that he has no respect and professionalism in. How do you expect the audience to watch someone like that cast? I for one will have an awkward feeling watching him comment
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On June 06 2011 13:25 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:22 reneg wrote:On June 06 2011 13:17 Clicker wrote:
PU BM'd?
I missed it so I'm curious.
InC basically said, Painuser hasn't shown up again, this is the 3rd week in a row, we're extremely disappointed we haven't been able to get in contact with him. When we try to get in touch with people, we email them, as their time comes up, we call, call their friends, call anyone who might be able to get in touch with them, so if there's a serious scheduling issue, we can address it (in case of emergencies etc). We have been completely unable to contact painuser with any attempt. then he went on to compare it to a middleschool breakup where you don't know you're broken up with until all of a sudden the girl doesn't call you back anymore and you just come to the realization yourself. He said he's extremely disappointed and emphasized that it was extremely unprofessional to not even let everyone know that he bailed on us. he also said that BoxeR was upset because he had to wait for a while, and wasn't allowed to go, even though painuser has a history of being a flake.That's pretty much it. Anyone feel free to let me know if i missed something. I would be too. It completely fucks up your day having to wake up that early and your sleeping schedule. I'd be pissed that the guy couldn't inform them and that I had to stay up even longer, which will either leave me to stay up all day as to not fuck up my sleeping schedule or sleep and then wake up with half my day gone.
Believe me, i completely agree. i can't even imagine how frustrating it would be to be woken up at 3 in the morning, forced to sit at my computer for like 2 hours, not really doing anything committal, then trying to go BACK to bed / get a regular start to my day.....
Edit: AND it's the emperor....
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I never had respect for Painuser, now I dont even know what to feel about him.
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On June 06 2011 13:23 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote:
I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it. People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
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On June 06 2011 13:27 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:24 Jyvblamo wrote:On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote:
How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens. At the very least it shows that he is unprofessional (not playing his matches 3 weeks in a row), and worst it shows his lack of respect for eSports (not telling NASL of his intention to quit the league, standing up BOXER, the father of SC esports, of all people). I agree it is really rude and extremely disrespectful, but frankly I will support Painuser casting 'cause he is 10x better at casting than your average caster. We need more ex-play analyst style casters and less play-by-play guys who don't know enough about the game and can't even play it at a diamond/masters level. That is why I think it is ridiculous to say this hurts his casting career.
From a fan point of view, it does not really hurt his casting career.... but Tournament hosts might be more reluctant to hire some one who is known to be unprofessional/not show up without any warning... especially since how dodgy he has been about it...
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On June 06 2011 13:26 Sami` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:23 Chainfire99 wrote:
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster. If they fire him I'll watch it, if not I won't. This is the only way fans of competitive sc2 can protect it from assholes like Painuser who undermine it.
You're being irrational . PU is one of many casters for IPL
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On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote:
why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
You and everyone defending PainUser... seriously I would stop that, because that speaks volumes about your character and the way you approach your profissional life.
I wonder if it has to do with the age of most people posting in this forum (teenagers, university students) and I understand that most of you have never had a job or something like that, but this kind of behavior is totally, completely, 100% unacceptable in any business. A fine would be more than suitable in this case.
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On June 06 2011 13:28 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote:
How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens. Sure, shit happens, but: 1. Somebody has to pick up the shit and someone has to pay for it. I'm sorry but the "get over it, shit happens" answer is as stupid as it gets. Say Painuser actually cares about this, he would show up. Qxc does it, Grubby does it and so do the rest of the players who by now know they have no chance of making the playoffs. It's completely hypocritical to say you want the growth of esports in North America yet you completely walk off on one of the attempts to make it big. Show up, do two cheesy plays that your opponents fend off, take you 20 minutes. People forget you as a player, you make your living as a decent caster, everyone is happy. But his way of handling things is not only completely childish but also pusillanimous. It isn't just a "shit happens" thing, is setting a Horrible example of esports in NA, it has to be dealt with swiftly and with, hopefully, truly terrible consequences for Painuser. I hope NASL can make him truly regret doing this. But Inc said it best: "You don't ditch the emperor."
Painuser showed poor sportsmanship and disrespect for the sport. It's pretty obvious from iNcontroL's (edited) rant that Painuser burned many bridges for this. It's time like this I wish we have a governing body in NA that can issue sanctions for shit like this.
I hope his casting career will be a short one.
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Another thing that people aren't really mentioning, but Cloud did, is that PU got a spot in the NASL, where other equally if not better players didn't get that spot. By blowing NASL off AND refusing to play, he effectively screwed someone else in a 100k tourney.
He should at least have the decency to notify NASL, even if he was "busy" with his new spanking e-sports job (something that would EVEN exist, if it weren't for people like Boxer).
Edit: Damn it, got beat lol
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Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
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Zenio gonna finish 7-2 10
Idra has to beat Boxer and have Sen lose to Socke for Idra to make top 2.
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The least PU could have done was email NASL or heck leave a voice mail or maybe give them a call like any professional would?
I don't really understand how hard it is to pickup the phone and tell NASL that you are not participating anymore. Jesus!
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On June 06 2011 13:28 VenerableSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:23 Chainfire99 wrote:On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote:
I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it. People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster. Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2. He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
Yes, what he did was unprofessional in the role as a player in the league but having it cost him his job with IGN is quite severe. Get real, people.The loss of his $250 deposit and the hit to his reputation is a fitting punishment. Maybe, He will work hard and find a way to make it up to the community.
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On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote:
Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
What? Painuser isn't even telling them that he's not participating anymore...this isn't some one-off where someone happens to miss a match.
This is a repeated history of failure to appear...
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On June 06 2011 13:32 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:28 VenerableSpace wrote:On June 06 2011 13:23 Chainfire99 wrote:On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote:
I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it. People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster. Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2. He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool. Yes, what he did was unprofessional in the role as a player in the league but having it cost him his job with IGN is quite severe. Get real, people.The loss of his $250 deposit and the hit to his reputation is a fitting punishment. Maybe, He will work hard and find a way to make it up to the community.
Though i do agree. I feel like the loss of his 250 and the public rep hit he's taking is generally punishment enough. It's going to be something that some people remember, and some people forget. I'm sure if he continues to work hard he can erase the damage he's done, and there are plenty of similar examples where people have come back from maphacking etc to become respected sc2 players.
But for the moment, his fans, and the fans of the game do (and should) feel betrayed.
It's not a lot of work to answer a phone and say you aren't coming back.
Or reply to an email.
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On June 06 2011 13:29 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:26 Sami` wrote:On June 06 2011 13:23 Chainfire99 wrote:
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster. If they fire him I'll watch it, if not I won't. This is the only way fans of competitive sc2 can protect it from assholes like Painuser who undermine it. You're being irrational . PU is one of many casters for IPL
but he represents IPL just as inc represents NASL. He might not be the main face but this looks bad on IPL employing someone like that.
There is plenty of sc to watch, boycotting IPL is not the end of the world
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