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On June 06 2011 07:01 holy_war wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. I wouldn't necessarily say that it's the direct results of having only Koreans left. There was so much backstory behind IdrA/MC that it grasped everyone's attention. Losira and MMA just doesn't have that animosity between them, or else it would be a lot different. But having no foreigners remaining definitely won't help the cause.
Even before the Idra match, during the Naniwa of earlier matches. This thread was moving much much faster.
I know for me personally the level of interest just dropped off, it honestly makes me no difference at all who wins now, because these players mean nothing to me.
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On June 06 2011 07:07 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:06 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:01 zerious wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. That's why the most popular tournament in SC2 is the GSL? Most popular with Koreans, before SC2 and the western tournaments Starcraft was a tiny niche in the West. Just look at TL, it went from a tiny community where everyone knew everyone else to a destination on the internet. The west got into SC2 because of western players and tournaments. the West got into SC2 because it's the sequel to SC1
True True
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On June 06 2011 07:07 Loljke wrote:
stop hating bliz
Making the game aimed for E-sports and not even giving LAN-support for the biggest events, they had it coming.
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On June 06 2011 07:07 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:06 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:05 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:04 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:04 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:03 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:02 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:02 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:01 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:00 Drazerk wrote:
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Command Centre on the way for MMA 5:00 Blue flame hellions on the way for MMA Speed starting for Losira 6:10 Baneling nest on the way for Losira 7:00 Evo chamber on the way for Losira Blue flame hellions on the way to losira's base 7:30 Losira flanks the hellions killing them Now moving up for a counter attack 8:00 Expansion on the way for Losira as he gears up for a baneling bust 9:00 Losira attacks with the bust killing a siege tank and a lot of marines 10:00 Stim and bio weapons +1 starting for MMA 11:40 Macro hatch at losira's Third base 13:00 Losira denies the drops of MMA MMA looking to push out Baneling speed / roach speed almost finished
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Third base on the way for MMA
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On June 06 2011 07:07 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:05 Mobius_1 wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. IdrA is a big personality in the "foreign" community, and MC is pretty well known as well, but Losira and MMA are just exactly that, random Koreans, I watch the GSL but I don't know anything about them except their gameplay. YOU DON'T WATCH THE GSL IF YOU DON'T KNOW MMA OR LOSIRA. MMA is the Son of Boxer; the Neo Legend Killer. The man who rules the GSTL with an iron fist and is one of the best comeback players in the GSL. Losira is the apprentice of Nestea and one of the best zergs on the entire planet.
Exactly. Kind of a lot of stupid statements being made here.
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On June 06 2011 07:06 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:01 zerious wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. That's why the most popular tournament in SC2 is the GSL? Most popular with Koreans, before SC2 and the western tournaments Starcraft was a tiny niche in the West. Just look at TL, it went from a tiny community where everyone knew everyone else to a destination on the internet. The west got into SC2 because of western players and tournaments.
Doesn't change the fact koreans are better and now they're coming to every single lan event, so either foreigners step it up, or the korean monopoly will continue rightfully so 
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On June 06 2011 07:07 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:01 holy_war wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. I wouldn't necessarily say that it's the direct results of having only Koreans left. There was so much backstory behind IdrA/MC that it grasped everyone's attention. Losira and MMA just doesn't have that animosity between them, or else it would be a lot different. But having no foreigners remaining definitely won't help the cause. Even before the Idra match, during the Naniwa of earlier matches. This thread was moving much much faster. I know for me personally the level of interest just dropped off, it honestly makes me no difference at all who wins now, because these players mean nothing to me.
THEN DON'T WATCH.
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On June 06 2011 07:06 bkrow wrote:
Tastosis casting MMA vs Losira!? I feel like i am watching a GSTL :p
It's not the GSTL, MMA isn't dominating.
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On June 06 2011 07:03 Tadzio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:02 rysecake wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 Cel.erity wrote:On June 06 2011 06:55 Contagious wrote:On June 06 2011 06:52 Stonedviper wrote:On June 06 2011 06:36 DizzyDrone wrote:On June 06 2011 06:35 Stonedviper wrote:
So idra gets into code A now right? will he go or say that korea is unbalanced? I don't think he's the type to go back to the major leagues and would rather stay in the minors and dominate the lower talent. Idra already said he won't go to Korea, not for code A nor code S. In Korea you basically only play the GSL while there's a lot more oppurtunities in the US and Europe Yea i wouldn't want to play in the NFL and play for $50,000 when i can dominate the CFL and win the $250 prize pools. The only prize pools worth anything in the US are the MLG overall championship and blizzcon and the koreans will come to win those. Thats the problem with the north american players, they want to settle for lesser leagues because becoming the best takes too much work. I think idra doesnt want to go back to korea because he got run out the first time because of his attitude is my guess. He didn't get run out -.-.. He said the scene is easier to succeed here instead of playing in one hard tournament. Between NASL, IEM, Dreamhack, and MLG, the prize pool for foreign events is bigger than that of the GSL. Korea has their own smaller tournaments, I realize, but I believe the two scenes are pretty equal in terms of prize pool, and the foreign scene is much easier. It makes a lot more sense to stay in the US, where you were _born_, than to live in a foreign country where you'll probably end up making less money. Foreigners can say goodbye to easy money. If koreans start invading western lans foreigners are gonna be bankrupt soon. naw, they'll just have to actually practice. NA players don't practice more than a few hours a day at the moment. If SC2 is anywhere nearly as balanced as BW, the more practice the better.
Yeah, it was actually really naive of a large part of the foreign scene to think they work half as hard and be considered just as good.
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On June 06 2011 07:05 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:01 DueSs wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. yes.. random koreans. they are random. july, mma, MC, and losira are random koreans. truly random. gtfo Since I don't watch Korean SC2 in the middle of the night I have never heard of any of them. They don't stream, they don't do twitter, they are never on any of the SC2 shows, western viewers have no attachment to these players.
you are wrong.. YOU have no attachement to these players.. for use that follow the Korean scene that could not be more wrong. And you really dont have to stay up all night to watch GSL, there are VoDs
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On June 06 2011 07:05 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:01 DueSs wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. yes.. random koreans. they are random. july, mma, MC, and losira are random koreans. truly random. gtfo Since I don't watch Korean SC2 in the middle of the night I have never heard of any of them. They don't stream, they don't do twitter, they are never on any of the SC2 shows, western viewers have no attachment to these players.
We don't? I was pretty sure that I did...
Don't overstate the gap between western and Korean starcraft. The presence of Korean players at MLG is direct evidence to the contrary. Westerners care about the Korean scene (for the most part), and they care about ours as well. Not everybody needs to follow the Korean scene, but don't pretend that the people who do are unreasonably-dedicated super-fans who stay up all night to watch the Korean players and ignore our friendly friends from Europe and North America. It's very easy to watch the GSL VODs, read translated interviews, and watch the videos that Artosis and CSN post for the English audiences. If you don't want to do that? Fine, but don't be surprised that many of us do.
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On June 06 2011 07:04 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:00 Genome852 wrote:MMA did "wall in" with the CC at first. But he made the mistake of not realizing that the CC has a rounded model, even if the grid is a square... so lings just ran by the sides of the CC. On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. What? Are you implying games aren't worth watching just because of the players' nationality? They aren't "random Koreans" either. So stupid.... Don't reply to these comments.. people watch games for different reasons. I do because I love starcraft, which means I'll be happy to watch koreans at the top if they are truly the best. Other people watch for the hype, and they feel more excited when their homies play. I understand the feelings of many people, although I feel that shouldn't make them miss quality starcraft games.
I agree. I also feel these "race arguments" are just silly. Koreans have a strong scene which is more professional. That "support" and the fact that the players train really hard gives them an edge. The further the scene progresses in NA and EU, the smaller the difference will become.
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On June 06 2011 07:07 Jochan wrote:
Without any white dudes, Tastosis commenting this just feel like a GSL... I don't like that at all, I am not speaking about the level of the game, just the feel of the tournament right now I have.
We're getting to watch some good Starcraft 2, who cares where the players are from?
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Would you people complaining about all Korean semis and finals, would you rather no koreans were invited at all? It's not their fault they beat everyone.
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On June 06 2011 07:05 perseuswai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 06:45 mordk wrote:
I think we can take some conclusions from MLG now:
1.- Koreans are the better SC2 players: All koreans (except for moon) performed very well on pool play, while dealing with jetlag. Koreans in the championship bracket were only eliminated by koreans. Top 3 is all-korean. I think it's proof enough, even if I think the foreigner pool could be a bit stronger, I don't think the results would be too different.
2.- Nani is best foreigner protoss, hands down. Idra's position as best foreigner zerg is kinda doubtful, you can't be the best with that terrible mindset.
3.- Thorzain is a great player and TSL3 wasn't a fluke at all. Sheth shows TONS of promise, as do Major and ViBe, for the foreigner scene.
4.- Koreans are better showmakers as far as gaming stuff go. This whole "MC SO BM" thing is ridiculous, he's putting up a show. This is why MC's "BM" is different from idra's. He uses it to entertain the crowd, not to randomly dish shit like Idra does all the time. We could see how MC actually feels about his opponents. He very respectfully hand shook with nani and moon, and probably T-zain as well.
5.- Tastosis is funnier that Day/WHEAT, but the latter can make games a little more exciting.
6.- This was, all in all, a GREAT EVENT. Props to MLG for surviving the Dallas disaster and becoming a lot better. Really, congratulations, you've shown balls. seleCT is 0-5 in his group, mate.
I think it's pretty clear by now that when we talk about koreans in SC, we're not talking about koreans as an ethnicity. They're not mutants with super powered gaming genes. They're super gaming humans powered by a different culture and practice regime. SeleCT is a great player, but is not influenced by this environment.
Korean: Player actively performing at korean SC related events, practicing in a team house etc.
Foreigner: Any player not doing that
Hence seleCT qualifies as a foreigner, same as moonan.
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WHY'D YOU LIFT THAT OC YOU FOOL
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Losira is trying to wrap around and MMA is bringing the rain down on his army!
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