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eqez
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kratos-23
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Dexington
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
On June 14 2011 06:05 Dexington wrote: No ActionJezus ![]() Dont worry its K. There BYOC tournament he will 6 pool his way in. | ||
HappyZerg
Germany178 Posts
so monday between the day there will be matches? o.o | ||
BackSideAttack
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BackSideAttack
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On June 14 2011 01:27 ChickenLips wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote: On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote: On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote: On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote: On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote: The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again. Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Dude, Blashpemi i've agreed with you in the past, but that post (and a lot of others in this thread) is just fucking dumb. When the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Are you delusional? Where do you come up with this crap? DIMAGA has shown amazing results in KR, smashing faces off very little practice, StarTale wanted to recruit him right off the bat. Kas has been at exactly 1 popular LAN where he lost in the finals to MC and Nerchio is snapping starcraft-necks in the EU scene, preferring to continue training before trying to compete in an offline environment. Instead of looking at results, maybe check out their play? Any idiot can look at LAN results, if you wanna be a forum-smartass it might be beneficial to look at how a player actually plays and Nerchio shows intelligence that I've seen from very few other Zergs. Yes, a lot of foreign players are crap compared to the Koreans who practice 10 hours a day, but this is a forum populated by almost only foreigners to Korea, I think we should be able to discuss the foreign scene and its players without you coming into every thread mindlessly bashing anyone who hasn't beaten every breathing Korean pro in a BO7. Just because this is a "foreigner's forum" doesn't mean that he can't come in and bash foreign players. He gave valid substantiation to his claim, thus if you were to disagree, the burden is on you to invalidate him. Rather than bash his post for harboring sentiments that deviate from your own, you should have given VALID facts that prove why he is wrong. What's the point of a forum if you can't discuss both sides of the argument. To improve you have to be fully cognizant of your short-comings. Your post contains many false assumptions and facts that I will go through the trouble of breaking down for you. Firstly, Dimaga beat one player when it mattered in the GSL WC. Idk if you recall, but Nestea had to expose his build in the finals of the show match because non of the Korean players took it seriously. Dimaga analyzed that build and thus won in game 3. If Nestea hadn't had to expose it, Dimaga would've never have won. So Dimaga won 1 game set 2-1 through very favorable circumstances. Does that make his results as amazing as you stated? NO An amazing result would've had him winning against San (code a player) rather than getting destroyed 3-1. Secondly, Kas has been in one Lan where he beat players people haven't even heard of. I'm sorry but beating Strintern, Deathangel, Cloud, and Grubby is not a big accomplishment. When he finally played a big name (MC) he got 4-0ed. Thirdly, stamina and nerves, believe it or not, is actually a vital component of a player's "skill". It's great that you can perform when there's no pressure and you only have to play one series in the comfort of your own home, but in the end, true skill comes from being able to perform on the big stage. Let's take the NBA for instance. You could be Kobe Bryant in the practice, but if you aren't able to perform in actual televised gamest, then you are useless. No one cares that you can shoot almost 100% from the free throw line in practice, when you only shoot 50% in games. Take a look at recent NBA championship, in particular Dirk Nowitzki. What makes him good? It's not the fact that he's a consummate shooter in practice, but the fact that he's an amazing shooter in game. He hits the shots in crunch time on the opponent's home court and willed his team to a championship. AKA game 2 he hit the last 9 points and brought the mavs back from being down 15 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. So what does the paragraph mean? It means that you can only show your full "skill" in pressured Lan settings because "skill" involves more than just in game aptitude. Rather it includes a myriad of other components such as stamina and nerve management, which can only be fully shown in a Lan environment. Every comment you make on the Korean's practice regime is tinged with condescension. Why is it so bad that Koreans are good because they practice? You think all foreigners can be that good? NO and here is why. Let's take Dimaga for example. Even if he wanted to practice 12 hours a day, there's no realistic way he could. He has a girlfriend. He has to make a living. Nowhere else in the world but in Korea is there infrastructure that allows a player to live with a team and have to worry about nothing but practicing every day. If you look at the interviews with MC he says he spends 1 day a week with his gf and oftentimes, as is the case with mlg, he has to forgo that to be able to compete in a tournament. This works because his gf understands his predicament because hardworking gamer culture is deeply ingrained into Korean culture. You think the same would hold true for Dimaga's gf who lives in the Ukraine? This example only used Dimaga who has a gf. Imagine what White-ra has to go through considering he has a wife. Also consider that progamers in Korea don't even have to cook or clean. Everything is done for them, therefore they have the opportunity to practice non-stop. So in the end, just because something is possible on paper, doesn't mean its realistic. You act as though all foreigners could practice as much as the Koreans do and thus be just as good, but that just isn't true. Potential only matters when it is realistically achievable, and with the case of foreigners practicing as much as Koreans, this just isn't possible. The only way you can do such a thing is if you moved to Korea, but even then you face many complications that the Korean players take for granted. | ||
xiZE
Sweden60 Posts
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Ryka
United Kingdom254 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On June 14 2011 06:20 BackSideAttack wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2011 01:27 ChickenLips wrote: On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote: On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote: On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote: On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote: On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote: The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again. Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Dude, Blashpemi i've agreed with you in the past, but that post (and a lot of others in this thread) is just fucking dumb. When the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Are you delusional? Where do you come up with this crap? DIMAGA has shown amazing results in KR, smashing faces off very little practice, StarTale wanted to recruit him right off the bat. Kas has been at exactly 1 popular LAN where he lost in the finals to MC and Nerchio is snapping starcraft-necks in the EU scene, preferring to continue training before trying to compete in an offline environment. Instead of looking at results, maybe check out their play? Any idiot can look at LAN results, if you wanna be a forum-smartass it might be beneficial to look at how a player actually plays and Nerchio shows intelligence that I've seen from very few other Zergs. Yes, a lot of foreign players are crap compared to the Koreans who practice 10 hours a day, but this is a forum populated by almost only foreigners to Korea, I think we should be able to discuss the foreign scene and its players without you coming into every thread mindlessly bashing anyone who hasn't beaten every breathing Korean pro in a BO7. Just because this is a "foreigner's forum" doesn't mean that he can't come in and bash foreign players. He gave valid substantiation to his claim, thus if you were to disagree, the burden is on you to invalidate him. Rather than bash his post for harboring sentiments that deviate from your own, you should have given VALID facts that prove why he is wrong. What's the point of a forum if you can't discuss both sides of the argument. To improve you have to be fully cognizant of your short-comings. Your post contains many false assumptions and facts that I will go through the trouble of breaking down for you. Firstly, Dimaga beat one player when it mattered in the GSL WC. Idk if you recall, but Nestea had to expose his build in the finals of the show match because non of the Korean players took it seriously. Dimaga analyzed that build and thus won in game 3. If Nestea hadn't had to expose it, Dimaga would've never have won. So Dimaga won 1 game set 2-1 through very favorable circumstances. Does that make his results as amazing as you stated? NO An amazing result would've had him winning against San (code a player) rather than getting destroyed 3-1. Secondly, Kas has been in one Lan where he beat players people haven't even heard of. I'm sorry but beating Strintern, Deathangel, Cloud, and Grubby is not a big accomplishment. When he finally played a big name (MC) he got 4-0ed. Thirdly, stamina and nerves, believe it or not, is actually a vital component of a player's "skill". It's great that you can perform when there's no pressure and you only have to play one series in the comfort of your own home, but in the end, true skill comes from being able to perform on the big stage. Let's take the NBA for instance. You could be Kobe Bryant in the practice, but if you aren't able to perform in actual televised gamest, then you are useless. No one cares that you can shoot almost 100% from the free throw line in practice, when you only shoot 50% in games. Take a look at recent NBA championship, in particular Dirk Nowitzki. What makes him good? It's not the fact that he's a consummate shooter in practice, but the fact that he's an amazing shooter in game. He hits the shots in crunch time on the opponent's home court and willed his team to a championship. AKA game 2 he hit the last 9 points and brought the mavs back from being down 15 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. So what does the paragraph mean? It means that you can only show your full "skill" in pressured Lan settings because "skill" involves more than just in game aptitude. Rather it includes a myriad of other components such as stamina and nerve management, which can only be fully shown in a Lan environment. Every comment you make on the Korean's practice regime is tinged with condescension. Why is it so bad that Koreans are good because they practice? You think all foreigners can be that good? NO and here is why. Let's take Dimaga for example. Even if he wanted to practice 12 hours a day, there's no realistic way he could. He has a girlfriend. He has to make a living. Nowhere else in the world but in Korea is there infrastructure that allows a player to live with a team and have to worry about nothing but practicing every day. If you look at the interviews with MC he says he spends 1 day a week with his gf and oftentimes, as is the case with mlg, he has to forgo that to be able to compete in a tournament. This works because his gf understands his predicament because hardworking gamer culture is deeply ingrained into Korean culture. You think the same would hold true for Dimaga's gf who lives in the Ukraine? This example only used Dimaga who has a gf. Imagine what White-ra has to go through considering he has a wife. Also consider that progamers in Korea don't even have to cook or clean. Everything is done for them, therefore they have the opportunity to practice non-stop. So in the end, just because something is possible on paper, doesn't mean its realistic. You act as though all foreigners could practice as much as the Koreans do and thus be just as good, but that just isn't true. Potential only matters when it is realistically achievable, and with the case of foreigners practicing as much as Koreans, this just isn't possible. The only way you can do such a thing is if you moved to Korea, but even then you face many complications that the Korean players take for granted. Bla bla bla we heard all this shit before we dont care now could you plz goto another thread this is about dreamhack and there players and fans If you and blashemy would do us all a favor and make you own little thread im sure you 2 can have alot of fun in you little universe | ||
SpiZz
112 Posts
Korean Terrans are just too good! | ||
archonOOid
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sPaM916
United States71 Posts
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On June 14 2011 06:31 Nerdslayer wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2011 06:20 BackSideAttack wrote: On June 14 2011 01:27 ChickenLips wrote: On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote: On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote: On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote: On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote: On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote: The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again. Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Dude, Blashpemi i've agreed with you in the past, but that post (and a lot of others in this thread) is just fucking dumb. When the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Are you delusional? Where do you come up with this crap? DIMAGA has shown amazing results in KR, smashing faces off very little practice, StarTale wanted to recruit him right off the bat. Kas has been at exactly 1 popular LAN where he lost in the finals to MC and Nerchio is snapping starcraft-necks in the EU scene, preferring to continue training before trying to compete in an offline environment. Instead of looking at results, maybe check out their play? Any idiot can look at LAN results, if you wanna be a forum-smartass it might be beneficial to look at how a player actually plays and Nerchio shows intelligence that I've seen from very few other Zergs. Yes, a lot of foreign players are crap compared to the Koreans who practice 10 hours a day, but this is a forum populated by almost only foreigners to Korea, I think we should be able to discuss the foreign scene and its players without you coming into every thread mindlessly bashing anyone who hasn't beaten every breathing Korean pro in a BO7. Just because this is a "foreigner's forum" doesn't mean that he can't come in and bash foreign players. He gave valid substantiation to his claim, thus if you were to disagree, the burden is on you to invalidate him. Rather than bash his post for harboring sentiments that deviate from your own, you should have given VALID facts that prove why he is wrong. What's the point of a forum if you can't discuss both sides of the argument. To improve you have to be fully cognizant of your short-comings. Your post contains many false assumptions and facts that I will go through the trouble of breaking down for you. Firstly, Dimaga beat one player when it mattered in the GSL WC. Idk if you recall, but Nestea had to expose his build in the finals of the show match because non of the Korean players took it seriously. Dimaga analyzed that build and thus won in game 3. If Nestea hadn't had to expose it, Dimaga would've never have won. So Dimaga won 1 game set 2-1 through very favorable circumstances. Does that make his results as amazing as you stated? NO An amazing result would've had him winning against San (code a player) rather than getting destroyed 3-1. Secondly, Kas has been in one Lan where he beat players people haven't even heard of. I'm sorry but beating Strintern, Deathangel, Cloud, and Grubby is not a big accomplishment. When he finally played a big name (MC) he got 4-0ed. Thirdly, stamina and nerves, believe it or not, is actually a vital component of a player's "skill". It's great that you can perform when there's no pressure and you only have to play one series in the comfort of your own home, but in the end, true skill comes from being able to perform on the big stage. Let's take the NBA for instance. You could be Kobe Bryant in the practice, but if you aren't able to perform in actual televised gamest, then you are useless. No one cares that you can shoot almost 100% from the free throw line in practice, when you only shoot 50% in games. Take a look at recent NBA championship, in particular Dirk Nowitzki. What makes him good? It's not the fact that he's a consummate shooter in practice, but the fact that he's an amazing shooter in game. He hits the shots in crunch time on the opponent's home court and willed his team to a championship. AKA game 2 he hit the last 9 points and brought the mavs back from being down 15 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. So what does the paragraph mean? It means that you can only show your full "skill" in pressured Lan settings because "skill" involves more than just in game aptitude. Rather it includes a myriad of other components such as stamina and nerve management, which can only be fully shown in a Lan environment. Every comment you make on the Korean's practice regime is tinged with condescension. Why is it so bad that Koreans are good because they practice? You think all foreigners can be that good? NO and here is why. Let's take Dimaga for example. Even if he wanted to practice 12 hours a day, there's no realistic way he could. He has a girlfriend. He has to make a living. Nowhere else in the world but in Korea is there infrastructure that allows a player to live with a team and have to worry about nothing but practicing every day. If you look at the interviews with MC he says he spends 1 day a week with his gf and oftentimes, as is the case with mlg, he has to forgo that to be able to compete in a tournament. This works because his gf understands his predicament because hardworking gamer culture is deeply ingrained into Korean culture. You think the same would hold true for Dimaga's gf who lives in the Ukraine? This example only used Dimaga who has a gf. Imagine what White-ra has to go through considering he has a wife. Also consider that progamers in Korea don't even have to cook or clean. Everything is done for them, therefore they have the opportunity to practice non-stop. So in the end, just because something is possible on paper, doesn't mean its realistic. You act as though all foreigners could practice as much as the Koreans do and thus be just as good, but that just isn't true. Potential only matters when it is realistically achievable, and with the case of foreigners practicing as much as Koreans, this just isn't possible. The only way you can do such a thing is if you moved to Korea, but even then you face many complications that the Korean players take for granted. Bla bla bla we heard all this shit before we dont care now could you plz goto another thread this is about dreamhack and there players and fans If you and blashemy would do us all a favor and make you own little thread im sure you 2 can have alot of fun in you little universe Good job validating the fact that you can't prove me wrong. If i recall i posted something similar to another of your posts which you never responded to. The bottom line is I backed up my claims and until you can prove otherwise, you basically just conceded to me. | ||
befek
Poland413 Posts
"@Slasher @Dreamhack wtf u think this is son, HUK says he aint going so guess what; HES NOT GOING" huk twitter dunno if its troll or true | ||
m0ck
4194 Posts
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Imascotsman
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On June 14 2011 06:39 BackSideAttack wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2011 06:31 Nerdslayer wrote: On June 14 2011 06:20 BackSideAttack wrote: On June 14 2011 01:27 ChickenLips wrote: On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote: On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote: On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote: On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote: On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote: The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again. Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Dude, Blashpemi i've agreed with you in the past, but that post (and a lot of others in this thread) is just fucking dumb. When the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Are you delusional? Where do you come up with this crap? DIMAGA has shown amazing results in KR, smashing faces off very little practice, StarTale wanted to recruit him right off the bat. Kas has been at exactly 1 popular LAN where he lost in the finals to MC and Nerchio is snapping starcraft-necks in the EU scene, preferring to continue training before trying to compete in an offline environment. Instead of looking at results, maybe check out their play? Any idiot can look at LAN results, if you wanna be a forum-smartass it might be beneficial to look at how a player actually plays and Nerchio shows intelligence that I've seen from very few other Zergs. Yes, a lot of foreign players are crap compared to the Koreans who practice 10 hours a day, but this is a forum populated by almost only foreigners to Korea, I think we should be able to discuss the foreign scene and its players without you coming into every thread mindlessly bashing anyone who hasn't beaten every breathing Korean pro in a BO7. Just because this is a "foreigner's forum" doesn't mean that he can't come in and bash foreign players. He gave valid substantiation to his claim, thus if you were to disagree, the burden is on you to invalidate him. Rather than bash his post for harboring sentiments that deviate from your own, you should have given VALID facts that prove why he is wrong. What's the point of a forum if you can't discuss both sides of the argument. To improve you have to be fully cognizant of your short-comings. Your post contains many false assumptions and facts that I will go through the trouble of breaking down for you. Firstly, Dimaga beat one player when it mattered in the GSL WC. Idk if you recall, but Nestea had to expose his build in the finals of the show match because non of the Korean players took it seriously. Dimaga analyzed that build and thus won in game 3. If Nestea hadn't had to expose it, Dimaga would've never have won. So Dimaga won 1 game set 2-1 through very favorable circumstances. Does that make his results as amazing as you stated? NO An amazing result would've had him winning against San (code a player) rather than getting destroyed 3-1. Secondly, Kas has been in one Lan where he beat players people haven't even heard of. I'm sorry but beating Strintern, Deathangel, Cloud, and Grubby is not a big accomplishment. When he finally played a big name (MC) he got 4-0ed. Thirdly, stamina and nerves, believe it or not, is actually a vital component of a player's "skill". It's great that you can perform when there's no pressure and you only have to play one series in the comfort of your own home, but in the end, true skill comes from being able to perform on the big stage. Let's take the NBA for instance. You could be Kobe Bryant in the practice, but if you aren't able to perform in actual televised gamest, then you are useless. No one cares that you can shoot almost 100% from the free throw line in practice, when you only shoot 50% in games. Take a look at recent NBA championship, in particular Dirk Nowitzki. What makes him good? It's not the fact that he's a consummate shooter in practice, but the fact that he's an amazing shooter in game. He hits the shots in crunch time on the opponent's home court and willed his team to a championship. AKA game 2 he hit the last 9 points and brought the mavs back from being down 15 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. So what does the paragraph mean? It means that you can only show your full "skill" in pressured Lan settings because "skill" involves more than just in game aptitude. Rather it includes a myriad of other components such as stamina and nerve management, which can only be fully shown in a Lan environment. Every comment you make on the Korean's practice regime is tinged with condescension. Why is it so bad that Koreans are good because they practice? You think all foreigners can be that good? NO and here is why. Let's take Dimaga for example. Even if he wanted to practice 12 hours a day, there's no realistic way he could. He has a girlfriend. He has to make a living. Nowhere else in the world but in Korea is there infrastructure that allows a player to live with a team and have to worry about nothing but practicing every day. If you look at the interviews with MC he says he spends 1 day a week with his gf and oftentimes, as is the case with mlg, he has to forgo that to be able to compete in a tournament. This works because his gf understands his predicament because hardworking gamer culture is deeply ingrained into Korean culture. You think the same would hold true for Dimaga's gf who lives in the Ukraine? This example only used Dimaga who has a gf. Imagine what White-ra has to go through considering he has a wife. Also consider that progamers in Korea don't even have to cook or clean. Everything is done for them, therefore they have the opportunity to practice non-stop. So in the end, just because something is possible on paper, doesn't mean its realistic. You act as though all foreigners could practice as much as the Koreans do and thus be just as good, but that just isn't true. Potential only matters when it is realistically achievable, and with the case of foreigners practicing as much as Koreans, this just isn't possible. The only way you can do such a thing is if you moved to Korea, but even then you face many complications that the Korean players take for granted. Bla bla bla we heard all this shit before we dont care now could you plz goto another thread this is about dreamhack and there players and fans If you and blashemy would do us all a favor and make you own little thread im sure you 2 can have alot of fun in you little universe Good job validating the fact that you can't prove me wrong. If i recall i posted something similar to another of your posts which you never responded to. The bottom line is I backed up my claims and until you can prove otherwise, you basically just conceded to me. Yes, You right can you now plz leave this thread? | ||
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