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Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
May 02 2011 01:02 GMT
#641
Holy balls, I still can't get over the macro and multitasking Idra displayed last game. I am going to have to copy that for my own play because it was so so impressive.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 02 2011 01:02 GMT
#642
I think IdrA is going to do the Hydra all in drop again
Psycosquirrel
Profile Joined October 2008
United States161 Posts
May 02 2011 01:02 GMT
#643
On May 02 2011 09:59 Aquafresh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 09:58 Ozell wrote:
Looks like Idra Learned from that Cruncher game


New map. Protoss can't take his third in between the rocks as easily now. He has to take that exposed one tucked away in the corner.


That game was played on the same version as the Cruncher game. Kiwi just didn't abuse the map to get that 3rd so fast. Cruncher's PvZ may be the most boring thing to watch ever, but he is FANTASTIC at using the architecture of the map to his advantage.
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 01:06:33
May 02 2011 01:02 GMT
#644
On May 02 2011 09:41 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 09:40 Fission wrote:
On May 02 2011 09:39 hugman wrote:
Zergs seem to be all-inning sooo much in ZvP nowadays. The matchup is degenerating


Consider about 2 months ago when terrans only did all-ins against zerg, and everybody was like "OMG MATCHUP DEGENERATING", but with no actual balance changes , the matchup evolved (regenerated?) into one of the most interesting, dynamic ones.


Terran rushes got nerfed to HELL. I don't know what you are talking about lol.

Not only was every close position map removed, but bunkers take +5-10 seconds than before to make, cannot block ramps, etc.


I think what summarised it for me was this post. For quite a while Terran players were despairing at being unable to keep up with Zerg economy; now the matchups are fairly even in economy (assuming the Terran applies some pressure) or harass, and we often see lategame situations that are at least sensible (i.e. if both players have 200/200, one of them hasn't lost).

On the other hand, Zerg can't push its economic plays any further against an economically focused Protoss - we've seen the results of that. So I'm just as worried as the poster I link to, that the state of ZvP really will be stuck on 1 or 2-base all-in attacks from Zerg. See e.g. Idra, Morrow, Dimaga, July, Losira.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 02 2011 01:02 GMT
#645
'He didn't open up forge first, he actually opened up gate first. '

Really?! No way :p
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
May 02 2011 01:02 GMT
#646
On May 02 2011 10:01 Bowdy wrote:
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On May 02 2011 10:00 YaKool wrote:
On May 02 2011 10:00 Bowdy wrote:
I specifically remember Alex saying yesterday "NO WAY" is there extended series, but idra only needs to win one series whereas kiwikaki needs to win two? Am I misunderstanding something or...?


Probably because Idra beat kiwikaki already and kiwikaki came from the loser's bracket to the finals so he has to win 2 bo5


right... which is basically how extended series works.


No extended series would mean the wins/losses carry over from the previous matches, this is just standard double elimination for the person coming up from the losers bracket.
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
May 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#647
On May 02 2011 10:01 Xxavi wrote:
Wow, I thought Idra will throw away the third game to start from scratch in the second BO3.

But no, he came back to make it 2-2. Great play.

PS I just unsubscribed from HD. I didn't watch him all too often anyway in past months.


how does that even make sense to do?
hihihi
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
May 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#648
whose gonna bet kiwi will 4 gate?
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#649
On May 02 2011 10:02 Dommk wrote:
Wow, wtf. When did they start including this garbage map?

What's wrong with it?
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
May 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#650
On May 02 2011 10:02 Dommk wrote:
Wow, wtf. When did they start including this garbage map?


I'm pretty sure there have only been epic games on this map. I can't actually recall a game that was not amazing in the GSL or TSL while playing here.
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seffer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States143 Posts
May 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#651
I can't believe someone with a IGN tag spoiled this series in the chat. They basically ruined the entire event for people who didn't know and it's disappointing to say the least.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#652
I think Idra will do a hydra-doom drop on this map. He has done it before and since you cant really prevent the protoss from getting 3 bases he prolly wants to end it early.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
May 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#653
That was just a perfect display of dismantling the "turtle" Protoss style. Denying that 3rd, hit and running, engaging to trade evenly when you can, and just chipping away at the economy of the Protoss. I love it
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#654
On May 02 2011 10:01 Bowdy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 10:00 YaKool wrote:
On May 02 2011 10:00 Bowdy wrote:
I specifically remember Alex saying yesterday "NO WAY" is there extended series, but idra only needs to win one series whereas kiwikaki needs to win two? Am I misunderstanding something or...?


Probably because Idra beat kiwikaki already and kiwikaki came from the loser's bracket to the finals so he has to win 2 bo5


right... which is basically how extended series works.

You're getting confused because IdrA was the one who knocked Kiwi into the Loser's bracket; say it was Select (winners bracket) vs Kiwikaki (Losers), Kiwi would still have to win TWO Bo5s even though IdrA knocked Kiwi into the loser's bracket
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halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
May 02 2011 01:04 GMT
#655
On May 02 2011 10:01 Bowdy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 10:00 YaKool wrote:
On May 02 2011 10:00 Bowdy wrote:
I specifically remember Alex saying yesterday "NO WAY" is there extended series, but idra only needs to win one series whereas kiwikaki needs to win two? Am I misunderstanding something or...?


Probably because Idra beat kiwikaki already and kiwikaki came from the loser's bracket to the finals so he has to win 2 bo5


right... which is basically how extended series works.


No, it is how Dual elimination works, extended series gives a larger advantage in the finals AND any loser bracket match where the players have already met. Not the same at all, stop spewing nonsense.
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
May 02 2011 01:04 GMT
#656
On May 02 2011 10:03 Teivospy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 10:01 Xxavi wrote:
Wow, I thought Idra will throw away the third game to start from scratch in the second BO3.

But no, he came back to make it 2-2. Great play.

PS I just unsubscribed from HD. I didn't watch him all too often anyway in past months.


how does that even make sense to do?

I mean from his youtube channel.

I would like to hear Painuser, Chill and some other new faces in the second season of IPL.
Ozell
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada105 Posts
May 02 2011 01:04 GMT
#657
Idra's Macro is sooo better than Kiwikaki's. It surprises me.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
May 02 2011 01:04 GMT
#658
On May 02 2011 10:01 Bowdy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 10:00 YaKool wrote:
On May 02 2011 10:00 Bowdy wrote:
I specifically remember Alex saying yesterday "NO WAY" is there extended series, but idra only needs to win one series whereas kiwikaki needs to win two? Am I misunderstanding something or...?


Probably because Idra beat kiwikaki already and kiwikaki came from the loser's bracket to the finals so he has to win 2 bo5


right... which is basically how extended series works.


Nope. Extended series only applies to players who have met before. This is normal double elimination format. Regardless of whether WB winner and LB winner have met before, the WB winner will still have 1 bo3 advantage.

Let's say it was axslav and not kiwi who won Lower Bracket. Idra will still have the 1 BO3 advantage despite idra and axslav nt having met before.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 02 2011 01:04 GMT
#659
Wow, that was very bad control by KiWi
bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
May 02 2011 01:04 GMT
#660
Man, spoilers right in the thread title? Really? I literally was looking for the last thread to find the link to the videos so that I could watch Idra vs Select. Then I see this. That's great. I s'pose that is what I get for being lazy? Still, though, man. Not cool.
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
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