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NO BALANCE WHINING
RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
April 30 2011 08:50 GMT
#2521
My best guess is July coulda have tried to snipe the observer somehow, not really sure how he shoulda tried to hold it off, his burrow timing was delayed by like 10 seconds, he maybe could have ambushed anypros sentries, with burrow, thats a rough situation, im not sure spines woulda helped. I always try to react with a +1 carapace whenever i see taht early forge running, i think that may have helped.

andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
April 30 2011 08:50 GMT
#2522
On April 30 2011 17:47 Pitrocelli wrote:
Ok, that's it. SC2 uninstalled. Maybe in 1 year this game will evolve into actual strategy game.

User was temp banned for this post.

good. see ya later
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
navara
Profile Joined September 2010
France95 Posts
April 30 2011 08:50 GMT
#2523
On April 30 2011 17:45 Rifty wrote:
He has +1/+1 and a robo, in other words better upgrades + better tech than July, how is that an all in?
You people need to stick to your 15min no rush BGH games...


reinforcing from 7 gate out of 2 base with no probe production he has to do damage cuz he can't expo
you can argu that it's not an all in because he will do damage anyway since zerg (maybe) apparently can't do much more than july just di
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
April 30 2011 08:50 GMT
#2524
On April 30 2011 17:47 Chise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:45 nick1689 wrote:
Lol its funny, if July opted to instead go for an all-in 2 base Roach attack, instead of expanding, everyone here would be talking about how awesome his play is... Yet as soon as any toss all-ins everyone QQs


There's a difference in deciding to Allin before the game even started and reacting to a hole in your opponents play by Allinning.


Who told you that anypro decided to all in before the game started tho? July went with a very greedy double fast expand, and anypro knew about the second FE, so it wasn't a blind all in.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
Hunterai
Profile Joined October 2010
Thailand842 Posts
April 30 2011 08:50 GMT
#2525
The bracket on GOMTV was different from the one in LiquidPedia
Which one is correct?
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 30 2011 08:50 GMT
#2526
On April 30 2011 17:49 Jergen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:48 Elementsu wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 nick1689 wrote:
Lol its funny, if July opted to instead go for an all-in 2 base Roach attack, instead of expanding, everyone here would be talking about how awesome his play is... Yet as soon as any toss all-ins everyone QQs

Because toss allins are very good an easy to execute, and you can win just doing them like anypro, while zerg allins need better execution and more thought behind it.


And this, everyone, is what's known as "bias".


Many Toss all-ins are heavily reliant on sentry positioning and FF control, and though one might think that it's easy to have good FFs, it's really not. I've lost so many games trying to play like MC because my FFs and unit positioning were lacking.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
April 30 2011 08:51 GMT
#2527
On April 30 2011 17:48 ThePieRate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:48 Moonwrath wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:46 ThePieRate wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 Rarak wrote:
These live reports are getting so lame with all tge zerg crying. When Losira crushed alicia noone claimed imba, july just let it slip, anypro is decent.

Move on


Losira didn't cheese out a player who is obviously better than him. This the same reason why no one likes Rain. He cheesed Nestea out of a GSL with bunker rushes and marine scv all ins.

Ill never understand this argument. If July was so obviously better he would have won. END OF STORY. Anypro played better in game 3, get over it.


So your also saying that Rain is better than Nestea for beating him?

In that particular series, hell yes. As an overall player, no. You people keep crying that the better player lost, well maybe July IS the better player overall. However, in this series he was not. Anypro won fair and square with a superior build and execution in game 3. Only people who say otherwise are just balance whiners who cannot accept the fact their precious race or player lost. FYI I'm a zerg player, I just have common sense which a lot of you guys seem to lack.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 30 2011 08:51 GMT
#2528
On April 30 2011 17:49 Jergen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:48 Elementsu wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 nick1689 wrote:
Lol its funny, if July opted to instead go for an all-in 2 base Roach attack, instead of expanding, everyone here would be talking about how awesome his play is... Yet as soon as any toss all-ins everyone QQs

Because toss allins are very good an easy to execute, and you can win just doing them like anypro, while zerg allins need better execution and more thought behind it.


And this, everyone, is what's known as "bias".


That didn't look like an easy all-in to execute to me, Anypro set that up for a long time, with a lot of preparation and decent macro behind it. He made sure he had a sufficient probe count and stockpiled some money while getting upgrades, allocating chrono boost fairly well, and made sure he had the robo for the observer to deal with burrow, which was July's chosen defense. It's certainly a hell of a lot harder to execute than a 6 pool, 7 roach rush, or a 3 roach mass speedling all-in.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
April 30 2011 08:51 GMT
#2529
On April 30 2011 17:47 doihy wrote:
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On April 30 2011 17:46 Vorlik wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Nobody left to root for in code S lol. Maybe Nada I suppose.


Lorisa is who you're looking for.


You're really gonna root for Losira over Nada? Have you seen his body?


I meant Nada and Losira.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 30 2011 08:51 GMT
#2530
On April 30 2011 17:49 Skipton wrote:
The issue is that what AnyPro did was not really difficult to do. Defending a 7 gate timing attack is MUCH harder than executing it.


I would agree...but I've never seen this build executed this perfectly before. His timing was immaculate. July's was not, so he lost.
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
April 30 2011 08:51 GMT
#2531
July needed to pressure early, so obvious..
Chise
Profile Joined December 2010
Japan507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 08:53:38
April 30 2011 08:51 GMT
#2532
On April 30 2011 17:48 Moonwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:46 ThePieRate wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 Rarak wrote:
These live reports are getting so lame with all tge zerg crying. When Losira crushed alicia noone claimed imba, july just let it slip, anypro is decent.

Move on


Losira didn't cheese out a player who is obviously better than him. This the same reason why no one likes Rain. He cheesed Nestea out of a GSL with bunker rushes and marine scv all ins.

Ill never understand this argument. If July was so obviously better he would have won. END OF STORY. Anypro played better in game 3, get over it.


If you don't understand the argument, you just don't understand the game.
It's not always the better player who wins in SC2.

Anyway, in this case it was just poor execution by July. He could have won this if he controlled his Roaches better.

Who told you that anypro decided to all in before the game started tho? July went with a very greedy double fast expand, and anypro knew about the second FE, so it wasn't a blind all in.


Double FE was obviously a reaction to Anypros forge FE. You basically have to double expand if you're not going allin to stay even with the Protoss. There's nothing greedy with it since both players were very vulnurable at the same time.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 30 2011 08:52 GMT
#2533
On April 30 2011 17:50 SKtheAnathema wrote:
you guys are probably QQing more than july is... instead of raging and crying imba, he went and checked what anypro had. true competitor and player

haha i tot it was wierd and funny
Mephiztopheles1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1124 Posts
April 30 2011 08:52 GMT
#2534
On April 30 2011 17:47 Seronei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:46 Footler wrote:
Enjoy the next patch anypro.

Next patch won't nerf that strat.

Will delay it enough for July to get tunneling claws in time to snipe some sentries. Baaaaagh, I like July so much, I wanted him to go through :S
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
April 30 2011 08:52 GMT
#2535
On April 30 2011 17:48 Seam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:47 Telcontar wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 Seam wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:43 Telcontar wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:43 Seam wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:42 DNB wrote:
July's fault for engaging when forcefields were out.

Anypro won fair and square, stop crying just because your favourite player lost


Engage with those, or lose your roaches that are blocked.

Choose?

Burrow move the fuck out of there?


Then lose your Expo, and have less production, and economy than Anypro.

When he was backed up against that wall at July's 3rd, Anypro wasn't really in range to take out July's hatch quickly. If he had baited those forcefields, pulled out (sure you lose some roaches because of the obs but not that many) and waited until the FFs expire to engage, he would've faired much better.


There were TONS of FFs, he could put em back up later

*Note, I'm not saying Toss is OP, just saying why I feel July did what he did

That's why I'm saying you need to rinse and repeat. Keep baiting those FFs until he runs out. Sure you might lose your 3rd but you can run your drones away and the constant baiting will give July time to get more units out. Once the FFs are gone, move in and crush the army. Even if you had lost the 3rd hatch in the process, you can counter attack and do damage/contain.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Moofadoobada
Profile Joined February 2011
United States266 Posts
April 30 2011 08:52 GMT
#2536
On April 30 2011 17:49 _Darwin_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:48 Moofadoobada wrote:
This isn't a balance whine, but from a zerg point of view i'm not actually aware of what would stop that. Does he need hydras and spines...like a hydra roach army instead of zerglings?

I thought the flank would help but it was at a choke so it only cost i think 2 forcefields to block it...I think rushing hydras and maybe skipping burrow movement might help...not sure.

Good rush by anypro, more learning for zergs to do.


He should have roach+ling all-ined the Nexus first.


Haha, well I'm sure some P's will start doing this on ladder maybe I can figure out a way to beat it. Theres a post above saying if he just burrow moves out when the ff's go up he would win the fight, but I feel he would lose his hatch and drones...not sure that would be a good trade unless he wins the fight convincingly and keeps his supply up enough to just counter and win.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
April 30 2011 08:52 GMT
#2537
Finals will be either NaDa or TOP vs NesTea.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
April 30 2011 08:52 GMT
#2538
I am disgusted by amount of tears from Zerg players on LR threads. First it was funny, but lately it became just stupid. Go back to Idra fanclub and whine about everything that kills you.

And is there even a way for Protoss to win and not get flamed? Early game win = flame, mid game win = flame, late game win = flame... and then when some lovely Zerg player annihilates some Protoss with all kind of gimmicky strats that's all fine and justified.

I am not P player and I cheered for July but amount of scrubs who are trying to justify their Bronze leagues on LR topics is just too pathetic.
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
April 30 2011 08:53 GMT
#2539
Only if July back off the roachs when there are FF blocking them ( there were only 2-3 roaches are trapped by FF in the 1st engagement before burrow movement is finished ), instead, he kept on fighting that..
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 30 2011 08:53 GMT
#2540
On April 30 2011 17:51 Moonwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:48 ThePieRate wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:48 Moonwrath wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:46 ThePieRate wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 Rarak wrote:
These live reports are getting so lame with all tge zerg crying. When Losira crushed alicia noone claimed imba, july just let it slip, anypro is decent.

Move on


Losira didn't cheese out a player who is obviously better than him. This the same reason why no one likes Rain. He cheesed Nestea out of a GSL with bunker rushes and marine scv all ins.

Ill never understand this argument. If July was so obviously better he would have won. END OF STORY. Anypro played better in game 3, get over it.


So your also saying that Rain is better than Nestea for beating him?

In that particular series, hell yes. As an overall player, no. You people keep crying that the better player lost, well maybe July IS the better player overall. However, in this series he was not. Anypro won fair and square with a superior build and execution in game 3. Only people who say otherwise are just balance whiners who cannot accept the fact their precious race or player lost. FYI I'm a zerg player, I just have common sense which a lot of you guys seem to lack.


I was going to say exactly that to support you, but you beat me to it. If a player beats another player in a series, the winner was the better player in that series. Overall, maybe not, but in that series, definitely. Otherwise, he wouldn't have won. Pretty obvious, though many people don't like admitting it.
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