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Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6141
It wasn't a rage quit, sure he didn't wait 5 minutes so that he lost is whole army again but he had already basically lost. The drop was so incredible unsuccessful and did almost no damage apart from killing the 2 collosus and costing 1 round of warp ins on 3 gateways. Morrow was broke, invested heavily into hydralisk drops and stuck on 2 bases while Hasuobs was taking a third. Maybe he should have played on in the hope that Hasuobs would make a mistake, but Hasuobs was never going to let him take a 3rd and Morrow has no way to stop Hasuobs' third.

*Insert hallucinations joke*
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6142
On April 17 2011 07:49 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:43 KiNGxXx wrote:
[image loading]

(made by DiaBoLuS)

Funny

+ Show Spoiler +
not.


Everyone says "don't let Protoss play a macro game", which is fair, so lets try early aggression. Well, as it turns out you more or less need to all-in if you want to be aggressive early on as Zerg, it depends a bit on the map. It's not cheese, don't blame him for trying and no, this is not balance whine.


There's a BIG difference between all-ining and being aggressive.
Asvhald
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain199 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6143
I watched the games, and I liked them all. Just was strange to me to find so much discordance.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 22:53:38
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6144
On April 17 2011 07:50 WhiteraCares wrote:
Sloppy drop play from morrow in the final game, he could have won it, had he microed better. Grats Hasu, been rooting for him since the infamous beta game between him and TLO

Nah, once it's scouted it's pretty much over.
He can't drop effectively, and if he doesn't then he's way too far behind. Overlord speed + drop + hydras + grooved spines off of 2-base is all-in. It worked the first time because hasu opened Stargate.
Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6145
On April 17 2011 07:51 ZeraToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:50 Beef Noodles wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:48 Asvhald wrote:
Zerg loses - Game not recommended
Zerg wins - Game is recommended

Why?

Cause it took something creative, crazy, or awesome for Morrow to win. Watch the games yourself. Zerg won = cool game. Toss won = kinda boring/anticlimatic


well hasuobs defense was great , you have to admit

Yeah, I'm not taking away from hasuobs. Its just the way it panned out today. Also, Morrow's GG's were all warranted, but also before the final climax, so kind of a bummer.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6146
On April 17 2011 07:50 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:48 Asvhald wrote:
Zerg loses - Game not recommended
Zerg wins - Game is recommended

Why?


Yeah, whole sc2 community is fucked up :D You will never see a RR in gosugamer if there is a zerg who loses, and almost all games on TL.net where zerg loses is not recommended Well, I don't really care, because I never watch replays based on poll's votes.

how is it fucked up? games with zergs winning usually are way more epic and longer.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6147
On April 17 2011 07:51 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:49 zeru wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:46 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:44 KiNGxXx wrote:
Poll: Recommend HasuObs vs MorroW (Game 5)?

No (69)
 
52%

Yes (56)
 
42%

If you have time (8)
 
6%

133 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs MorroW (Game 5)?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time




whoever says no doesnt respect hasuobs defense :/

Hasu didnt win, morrow lost, every unit was doing its own thing. small group attacking pylon, small group trying to kill a col, small group standing around. i dont understand what you think was so impressive with his defense.



ehm... he anticipated the drop perfectly, put cannons in his main before the drop happens, scouts for it permenently and puts all units on the edge where do drpo happens / puts forcefields on drop-positions to delay the drop...

this is so smart, you do not even recognize how morrow lost half of his units before this "army split" that didnt changed anything, since it was over before.

You and everyone else needs to recognize that a scouted drop is bound to fail in almost every situation..
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6148
On April 17 2011 07:51 LastMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:49 zeru wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:46 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:44 KiNGxXx wrote:
Poll: Recommend HasuObs vs MorroW (Game 5)?

No (69)
 
52%

Yes (56)
 
42%

If you have time (8)
 
6%

133 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs MorroW (Game 5)?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time




whoever says no doesnt respect hasuobs defense :/

Hasu didnt win, morrow lost, every unit was doing its own thing. small group attacking pylon, small group trying to kill a col, small group standing around. i dont understand what you think was so impressive with his defense.

still games are recomended when zergs do some shitty wins by beneling busts by when protoss defends all in like a hero thousands idralings vote NO .... sad


[citation needed]

What heroic protoss defenses against all-ins are you referring to that everyone is dissing?

How were Morrow's wins against Jinro "shitty"? Yes, he went all in -- *everyone* goes all in at some point, and Morrow saw an opportunity and seized it. This wasn't shitty, it was great fun to watch.

ZeraToss
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1094 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6149
On April 17 2011 07:51 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:49 zeru wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:46 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:44 KiNGxXx wrote:
Poll: Recommend HasuObs vs MorroW (Game 5)?

No (69)
 
52%

Yes (56)
 
42%

If you have time (8)
 
6%

133 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs MorroW (Game 5)?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time




whoever says no doesnt respect hasuobs defense :/

Hasu didnt win, morrow lost, every unit was doing its own thing. small group attacking pylon, small group trying to kill a col, small group standing around. i dont understand what you think was so impressive with his defense.



ehm... he anticipated the drop perfectly, put cannons in his main before the drop happens, scouts for it permenently and puts all units on the edge where do drpo happens / puts forcefields on drop-positions to delay the drop...

this is so smart, you do not even recognize how morrow lost half of his units before this "army split" that didnt changed anything, since it was over before.


qft diabolus, i think just a few saw those ffs preventing morrow to drop on the edge, and of course the cannons which saved him the day
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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 16 2011 22:53 GMT
#6150
On April 17 2011 07:47 Lolsss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:45 ZeraToss wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:44 Lolsss wrote:
I was watching HDstarcrafts video. I think it was the whitera game.

The guy who is commentating on it actually spoils the Mondragon vs Cruncher game..

So i advise noone watches that series.


what`? why hdstarcraft? how should he know?



I have no idea how he knows. But the games are not casted live so he could have found out as hes fairly high up.


All im saying is that he spoils the results of that series so just dont watch that particular match. just throwing out the warning cuz it annoyed me


EDIT: my bad it was infact the cruncher series he spoils it in. just remembered


Was posted before, TSL admin said game was even played out until then. Far more likely that that commentator just got his facts wrong.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 16 2011 22:54 GMT
#6151
On April 17 2011 07:51 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:49 zeru wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:46 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:44 KiNGxXx wrote:
Poll: Recommend HasuObs vs MorroW (Game 5)?

No (69)
 
52%

Yes (56)
 
42%

If you have time (8)
 
6%

133 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs MorroW (Game 5)?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time




whoever says no doesnt respect hasuobs defense :/

Hasu didnt win, morrow lost, every unit was doing its own thing. small group attacking pylon, small group trying to kill a col, small group standing around. i dont understand what you think was so impressive with his defense.



ehm... he anticipated the drop perfectly, put cannons in his main before the drop happens, scouts for it permenently and puts all units on the edge where do drpo happens / puts forcefields on drop-positions to delay the drop...

this is so smart, you do not even recognize how morrow lost half of his units before this "army split" that didnt changed anything, since it was over before.

Much truth in this.
Off-season = best season
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 16 2011 22:54 GMT
#6152
On April 17 2011 07:53 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:49 hugman wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:43 KiNGxXx wrote:
[image loading]

(made by DiaBoLuS)

Funny

+ Show Spoiler +
not.


Everyone says "don't let Protoss play a macro game", which is fair, so lets try early aggression. Well, as it turns out you more or less need to all-in if you want to be aggressive early on as Zerg, it depends a bit on the map. It's not cheese, don't blame him for trying and no, this is not balance whine.


There's a BIG difference between all-ining and being aggressive.


Yeah Morrow's control on that drop was pretty bad
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disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
April 16 2011 22:54 GMT
#6153
On April 17 2011 07:51 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:49 ihavetofartosis wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:48 Asvhald wrote:
Zerg loses - Game not recommended
Zerg wins - Game is recommended

Why?

The games that Morrow won in this series were a lot more exciting as a spectator. Simple as that.

Tbh that might be because morrow didn't allow 2/3 of hasuobs wins to be fun. I mean its hard to find a game fun when one player just gives up, even if he is behind/going to loose.


Zerg just isn't a comeback race. You might as well save yourself a lot of frustration. In my opinion though, when it's the deciding match of a series in the best tournament evah, I wouldve played it out just hoping I'd get lucky.
this game is a fucking jokie
Nik0
Profile Joined April 2010
Uruguay460 Posts
April 16 2011 22:54 GMT
#6154
On April 17 2011 07:49 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:47 Saragas wrote:
lol its actually more frustrating to watch than to play. poor morrow.

from idras twitter, hahaha


pfft after throwing away game 2 vs MC at DH by 6-pooling, I have no respect for him or anything he does.

i'm pretty sure that you having no respect for him keeps him up at night
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
April 16 2011 22:54 GMT
#6155
On April 17 2011 07:51 entropius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:48 Asvhald wrote:
Zerg loses - Game not recommended
Zerg wins - Game is recommended

Why?


Because zerg wins against protoss have historically involved some sort of ambitious, ballsy, oddball early aggression/drop play -- Idra vs. Cruncher game 2, some of the Idra vs. HuK games, and Morrow's first win in this series. These things are exciting to watch.

Zerg losses against protoss, in contrast, involve a-moved deathballs, 4gate, or 6gate. These things are typically not exciting.

Then why was game 5 not recommended?

Actually are these polls even going into the OP?
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
April 16 2011 22:54 GMT
#6156
On April 17 2011 07:52 Redox wrote:
One of the reasons for all the whining is the huge underestimation of HasuObs.

They will change their mind when Hasu defeats Boxer!
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 16 2011 22:54 GMT
#6157
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imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
April 16 2011 22:55 GMT
#6158
On April 17 2011 07:51 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:48 phrenzy wrote:
Morrow is a macro player in my eyes, i dont see a lot of strategy in his play which is fine (maybe apart from baneling bust), his macro seems pretty solid. But things like drops seem to be something he might be uncomfortable with or hasnt experimented enough with. He knew it would be the perfect thing to do but i think if he stuck to his normal style he woulda have had a better chance.

The terminus game seemed super lucky.

Im sure he is kicking himself after that.

Actually i was impressed at how many stuff he showed in those matches. I expected him to get rolled 3:0 in macro games, but he at least was trying something to avoid getting deathballed. So i guess he prepared well.


Agreed. Another thing to consider is he was playing a teammate. I bet he knew Hasu had his style down pat so he might have been outside his comfort zone to throw him off. Some times it worked, other times it didn't. It certainly wasn't masterful execution, but he really put out an effort to be different and surprising after getting rolled in game 1 with his "traditional" style.
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namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
April 16 2011 22:55 GMT
#6159
vod uploaded?
You know what I'm talking about
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
April 16 2011 22:55 GMT
#6160
ppl who say morrows wins were more entertaining should play action games, not strategy games...

protoss is bound to play defensive unless they allin, timingpush or do airharassment - there is simply no window to create "wow what impressive play" moments.

thats why it looks so easy to play protoss, but it defenetly is not... morrow wouldve crushed most Ps out there with the games he showed us today.
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