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Mattjk
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada39 Posts
May 16 2011 19:17 GMT
#381
Stream seems to be fine, have to watch the french stream though as the english one is hard to listen too =(
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 19:23:50
May 16 2011 19:19 GMT
#382
So Grubby can't play Nerchio because he has to play NASL. How can that be? NASL is just broadcasting the USA games atm?

Edit: Tyvm people, I was under the impression that NASL was live.
We know nothing.
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
May 16 2011 19:21 GMT
#383
On May 17 2011 04:16 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Can someone summarize the flames/whines?^^

Well... Demuslim whined about zerg being imba and Nerchio whined about banshees being basically flying DT's.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
May 16 2011 19:21 GMT
#384
On May 17 2011 04:16 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Can someone summarize the flames/whines?^^

+ Show Spoiler +
First game Demu got ahead only to lose in late game, said that he couldnt beat that army (BL, infestor, ling) that he fungal any small unit, neural any large unit. Game two he just went two starport banshee with cloak and won, Nerchio complained about that being "broken". Third game Demu tried same tactic but Nerchio got alot of queens and Demu said "there it isnt so hard to defend".
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Arc1
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland849 Posts
May 16 2011 19:22 GMT
#385
On May 17 2011 04:16 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Can someone summarize the flames/whines?^^


-In first game Demulsim complained that there is no way for terran to beat "zerg deatball"(infestors, corruptors, brood lords, lings, roaches) and that zergs are op.
-In second game he was still complaining about this, and said something like "i glad, even you dont know how to stop that", and Demuslim went for 2 starport cloak banshee.
-At end Nerchio was mad that zergs cant stop mass flying cloacked units early.
-In third Demuslim went with same build, and Nerchio defended this, and Demuslim said" see, it's not that hard".
fin
Nothing to add.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
May 16 2011 19:22 GMT
#386
On May 17 2011 04:19 Amestir wrote:
So Grubby can't play Nerchio because he has to play NASL. How can that be? NASL is just broadcasting the USA games atm?

NASL games are played about 2 days before broadcast, 3 days before EU broadcast.
Off-season = best season
Mattjk
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada39 Posts
May 16 2011 19:22 GMT
#387
On May 17 2011 04:19 Amestir wrote:
So Grubby can't play Nerchio because he has to play NASL. How can that be? NASL is just broadcasting the USA games atm?

NASL is recorded ahead of time, I believe 2days ahead.
DeMusliM
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom401 Posts
May 16 2011 19:25 GMT
#388
Well, i asked him what on earth does he lose vs late game - (for example in the metalopolis situation) - and he said he doesn't know (pretty big indicator that, he doesn't) - That was a late game TvZ situation, both had good grades - late game armies, i had my half of the map, he had 40% of his (i delayed his expos sickeningly long) but i lost.

So the 2nd game i allinned him with banshees, and he whined about them 2 shotting workers, sorry but that's nothing to complain about when fungals 2 shot my whole army.

3rd game i tried the same allin, he defended because he made more queens, and i said "see, wasn't that hard to defend, gg" and left. - Wasn't really whining from my point, was simply trying to understand how on earth to beat that army, and how him making a mistake cost him the 2nd game, rather than banshees being ridiculous.
jeanphil
Profile Joined April 2011
France74 Posts
May 16 2011 19:27 GMT
#389
Demuslim rage: I could lean your race (zerg) in 1 day and win

But I mean what did he expect????
Did he realy think he could come back from a 2 month absence and get good again in 1 week??
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
May 16 2011 19:29 GMT
#390
On May 17 2011 04:27 jeanphil wrote:
Demuslim rage: I could lean your race (zerg) in 1 day and win

But I mean what did he expect????
Did he realy think he could come back from a 2 month absence and get good again in 1 week??

Dont write stuff that isnt true
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 19:31:51
May 16 2011 19:30 GMT
#391
There was no whining. It's obvious that both banshees and infestors are a lil' too strong but as it was with infestors nobody used them before buff and nobody would use banshees if they 3-hit workers. My point was it's not a problem to make 1 banshee ( since u need starport for medivacs anyway) and kill 3-5 drones every time you approach, run, repair and come back do the same thing.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
jeanphil
Profile Joined April 2011
France74 Posts
May 16 2011 19:31 GMT
#392
On May 17 2011 04:29 Aristodemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 04:27 jeanphil wrote:
Demuslim rage: I could lean your race (zerg) in 1 day and win

But I mean what did he expect????
Did he realy think he could come back from a 2 month absence and get good again in 1 week??

Dont write stuff that isnt true


what do you mean??
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
May 16 2011 19:33 GMT
#393
On May 17 2011 04:25 DeMusliM wrote:
Well, i asked him what on earth does he lose vs late game - (for example in the metalopolis situation) - and he said he doesn't know (pretty big indicator that, he doesn't) - That was a late game TvZ situation, both had good grades - late game armies, i had my half of the map, he had 40% of his (i delayed his expos sickeningly long) but i lost.

So the 2nd game i allinned him with banshees, and he whined about them 2 shotting workers, sorry but that's nothing to complain about when fungals 2 shot my whole army.

3rd game i tried the same allin, he defended because he made more queens, and i said "see, wasn't that hard to defend, gg" and left. - Wasn't really whining from my point, was simply trying to understand how on earth to beat that army, and how him making a mistake cost him the 2nd game, rather than banshees being ridiculous.


Maybe it's just that he is better than You now?

About late game TvZ, try dropping blue flame hellions directly into mineral line. They are a lot more cost effective than M&M&M. I think mixing up some ghosts into your army composition would be nice too.
Ghosts can cloak and catching infestors with EMP before the battle could be beneficial.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
cHicKeLoR
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany559 Posts
May 16 2011 19:33 GMT
#394
On May 17 2011 04:31 jeanphil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 04:29 Aristodemus wrote:
On May 17 2011 04:27 jeanphil wrote:
Demuslim rage: I could lean your race (zerg) in 1 day and win

But I mean what did he expect????
Did he realy think he could come back from a 2 month absence and get good again in 1 week??

Dont write stuff that isnt true


what do you mean??


Demu already got 2nd place in some invite cup.
DeMusliM
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom401 Posts
May 16 2011 19:33 GMT
#395
Well, i'll admittedly say sure - banshees do too much damage, but the fact is Infestors counter every unit a terran has. Like, the Infestor has 2 rolls - annihilate the weak units with fungal, or take over the big units with Neural, there's actually no mix i can think of that can beat it, and if you say ghosts - if you've seen HT spreading at it's finest, imagine just spreading infestors - they are 2x as fast on creep, can burrow and move. If you let 1 fungal get off, the army is done - since letting 1 fungal off, means letting off another and another on the exact same spot, thus causing anything up to 150 damage. and a temporary stunlock.
DeMusliM
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom401 Posts
May 16 2011 19:35 GMT
#396
I'll quite happily accept Nerchio is very good - but the problem wasn't the harrass, it was late game army compositions - i need for him to make countless errors to be equal with him, it's not how it should be, and i think Nerchio knows it too - he played good on metal, i think i played good on metal - but the last fight should not be that easy to just flat out roll me, when he's been behind on bases the whole game, especially when he's the one attacking.
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 19:42:36
May 16 2011 19:38 GMT
#397
Well at least one has to admit that every Terran hs huge problems vs lategame Zerg right now. Even someone like Kas struggles against weaker opponents. I just tend to agree that Infestors plus the abilty to techswitch from Broodlords to Ultras (like Lowely does) are insanely hard to handle.
Maybe Demuslim should write a lovely letter to Mr. Kim ;-)
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
May 16 2011 19:39 GMT
#398
Your first line was bullshit Jeanphil, thats what i mean. As for the TvZ stuff, Demu isnt the only guy having trouble right now with it. Perhaps these top terrans could get some lessons from 5ukkub >.<
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 19:45:56
May 16 2011 19:42 GMT
#399
On May 17 2011 04:38 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Well at least one has to admit that every Terran hs huge problems vs lategame Zerg right now. Even someone like Kas struggles against weaker opponents. I just tend to agree that Infestors plus the abilty to techswitch from Broodlords to Ultras (like Lowely does) are insanely hard to handle.

Indeed. Late game is zerg favored now against terran. Terran has to do early damage.

Still I dont get why terrans get ghosts so late, often not at all against infestors.

Against protoss terran sees HT, terran makes ghost. And EMP on infestor is even more effective as on HT, as infestor cant do anything without energy.


Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain to me why terrans dont automatically make ghosts vs mass infestor.
Off-season = best season
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
May 16 2011 19:44 GMT
#400
On May 17 2011 04:39 Aristodemus wrote:
Your first line was bullshit Jeanphil, thats what i mean. As for the TvZ stuff, Demu isnt the only guy having trouble right now with it. Perhaps these top terrans could get some lessons from 5ukkub >.<


They most certainly could!

But yeah, the OP race is constantly switching. Just wait a few weeks and you'll see people will again start crying about terrans ^^
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
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