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woob
United Kingdom1322 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:37 Zzoram wrote: If a foreigner takes down MC, I want it them to outplay him. Thorzain might be able to do it. White-Ra can't. Whitera is one of the few foreigners that has the skill to beat MC convincingly.. | ||
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shaman6ix
Greece212 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:04 -orb- wrote: Why is it that Boxer is the most famous starcraft player in the world and is essentially loved by everyone, while so many people are hating on MC? Why is it okay for Boxer to bunker rush yellow 3 games in a row in a bo5 to win a tournament final, yet MC doing one cheese strat in game 5 (which is extremely risky and ballsy by the way) all of a sudden makes him a villain? You people need to wake up THIS. plus the reason is simple theyre not hating on the cheese, they hating on MC's baller personality and they wont admit it. I suppose Boxer was more like TLO in terms of personality but they get intimitated by MC's total ballerness. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
 Yea this mc hate is pretty wack actually, he outplayed everyone in that tournament, some of the games were close but he is a small level above everyone there, i think his performance was even slightly dissapointing, he should have just 3-0'd whitera instead of losing the first 2 games and then 3-0 , im sure thats what he expected out of himself and its what i expected out of him also. He is a much better player then whitera wich he has proved 2 times now since whitera won against him in the WC teamleague | ||
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Nethermind
New Zealand445 Posts
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Sgany
United Kingdom790 Posts
I hope to learn from Sjow vs Huk Sorry if this has been asked and answered before. | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:34 woob wrote: Meh, i dont understand how you guys can honestly say PvZ is truely balanced You didn't say anything to imply it wasn't either. You just said that these games show that PvZ is imbalanced and said you havent seen one win a tournament in ages that a Z won. Someone posted 2 examples of tournaments that Z won that were recent. You can't just pop in a thread on TL with "My guy lost and the matchup is imbalanced". Not going on elitist status as I don't have alot of post compared to many but in time you'll see that on TL you can't just make a statement like that and it go unchallenged (or a warning depending on the thread) Not trying to sound like a jerk or anything really. Just letting you know. I still respect your opinion but don't agree with it. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:38 woob wrote: Whitera is one of the few foreigners that has the skill to beat MC convincingly.. By losing a Bo3 then a Bo5 to MC? He's not convincingly able to beat MC. He can eek out wins since MC isn't perfect, but MC is clearly a better player. MC's control is just too good, and as we know from Broodwar JvZ, the player with the best control will dominate his mirror match up. | ||
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Fenrisulf
United States325 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:01 Zzoram wrote: In this tournament MC played: long macro games and won aggressive all-ins and won reactive play and won What more does a player have to do? People calling him cheesy are just flat out wrong. He does whatever he best suits the situation, based on the map, his opponent's style, and what he scouts. He's good at every style of play and wins with every style of play. Do people honestly think a no rush 15 final game would've been better? That's ridiculous. The most exciting match of their while series was how $15,000 rested on White-Ra's probe just barely missing MC's probe. That's edge of your seat excitement much more than 10 vs 10 colossus. What more does a player have to do? Be a foreigner and play zerg, then you are all set :D | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:39 shaman6ix wrote: THIS. plus the reason is simple theyre not hating on the cheese, they hating on MC's baller personality and they wont admit it. I suppose Boxer was more like TLO in terms of personality but they get intimitated by MC's total ballerness. No, they're hating on a super anti-climactic deciding game. If MC had cheesed in G3 people wouldn't have complained as much, even if he took the series, I promise you. | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:37 Zzoram wrote: If a foreigner takes down MC, I want it them to outplay him. Thorzain might be able to do it. White-Ra can't. Until MC slumps, he's the good brain brotoss. White-Ra outplayed MC in two games, MC outplayed White-Ra in two games, and a coinflip won the last game. It's pretty obvious that White-Ra can at least fight at the same level as MC. | ||
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Yts
Sweden79 Posts
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
Amazing quality free stream, tight and perfectly working schedule -even though bnet/technics didn't work fine for 15 minutes, next game was just 3 minutes behind schedule!-, no unncessary delays, great audience and commentating. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
But a great tournament really enjoyed it. | ||
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TheDWorm
Germany69 Posts
its more a feeling that the last game where not what u expected as a fan (of SC2). Overall i am not a fan of pvps but its not the fault of the players and both showed in the hole tournament that they deserved to be in the finals. (Both showed really good games against the other competitors and also in the first games of that series). Also this is to apply for idra but i think he has some problems with his mindsets in the pvz match up which he needs to work on. In my Opinion he focuses to much on the "imba" toss QQing (sry if i sound rude, have no idea how to say it better) and should focuses more on the game instead of given up early and at least it was an awesome event nice work Dreamhack | ||
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PITN
New Zealand158 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
Also interested in VODs :o! | ||
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Marooned
Norway161 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:35 Novalisk wrote: In this case it didn't matter that much. MC almost had this game wrapped up even before White-Ra's probe reached the 9 o'clock base. It turned a 90% victory into a 100% victory, and White-Ra knew it as he GG'd out. Hm.. I rewatched the vod of that game, and I agree. When white-ra gets to the top left position his own gateway is just finished. MC gets his first zealot out right after, with his second good on the way. If MC saw that he got scouted there and then he would most likely walk his zealot in right away (not waiting for 3). He might have had a theoretical chance of making it with some insane worker/zealot micro, but yeah..slim if any Also, I noticed that white-ra didnt 9 scout on xel'naga either, so it had no relevance what so ever. Great read by MC. Adapting to white-ra's build and punish it. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:44 PITN wrote: Haven't seen any mention of vods, are there going to be any? Tournament was from after midnight onwards for me :S They are already up, on justin.tv/dreamhacktv | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:44 PITN wrote: Haven't seen any mention of vods, are there going to be any? Tournament was from after midnight onwards for me :S http://sv.justin.tv/dreamhacktv/b/283533911 | ||
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:39 shaman6ix wrote: THIS. plus the reason is simple theyre not hating on the cheese, they hating on MC's baller personality and they wont admit it. I suppose Boxer was more like TLO in terms of personality but they get intimitated by MC's total ballerness. I don't judge MCs playstyle because he's doing what's good (it's not his fault that PvP is like this) while still beeing creative from time to time (3 gate blink observer 5 gate into expo) and still beeing good with that. Still, yes, I do like Boxers and White-Ra's and Dimaga's and HasuObs' and TLO's personality better than MC's or Idra's. Is it really that outdated to say that a sense of decency and friendlyness make good character traits that make a person more likeable? Sure, it's funny when Idra and HuK bash each other in public, but that won't make me their fan since it makes them persons I probably wouldn't personally like. There are so many better mannered players out there who are so likeable and deserve it much more to be cheered for. | ||
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