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woob
United Kingdom1322 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:10 Piski wrote: I don't really understand this huge ass argument. I'm a Whitera fanboy and I'm hugely disappointed he lost and crying inside how badly I wanted MC to lose. I haven't posted any QQ posts here but I can understand people who did. Even Hotbid and Nazgul posted here asking why the hell people are reacting like they are but isn't them just supporting players? I mean lets take footballs world cup as a example. Lets say I'm supporting my favorite team to win it, I don't really care if there is better teams or some other team could/is providing me better games. I still want MY team to win. When my team isn't playing I totally just want to enjoy the game and I apperciete when teams play awesome skilled football, but when my team plays I just want them to win. I accept that MC outplayed Whitera in that last game, mindgames wise at least but that doesn't mean I will be "Oh MC so great, you're such a good player" :f No. I wanted him to lose. Even in other sports people go crazy and bm the other team. I'm not saying it's acceptable but it just shows they are super passioned about their favorite players. Why is it so bad that people cheer for their player to win even if the other player is playing better (sorta) Of course bm is not really tolerated here so I can understand the few bans but people shouldn't be surprised that people are biased towards their favorite player. I can and do appreciate good games/series but I still want my fav player to win. Why E-sports should only be us appreciating good games, we do but we want our favorite players to win ^^ Cool post, wanted to post something similar but you've said it better. The tournament has been a huge disappointment for me for the exact same reason - all of Liquid got knocked out (again -_-) in the first round, and White-Ra lost in the final against a player I dislike the most in the SC2 scene. The tournament may have been fantastically organized and the winner might have deserved the title, but that won't make me as a fan any less pissed off. I don't blame anybody for it (and in fact I haven't even posted in this thread except once so far), but I wish people would understand that if a tournament ends badly for the players they love, a lot of fans are going to be pissed off no matter what. It's perfectly normal, especially after a painful loss like the one White-Ra had. | ||
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Fleshy
United States28 Posts
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dubRa
2165 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:09 IPS.Mardow. wrote: naniwa would crush him  Tough call I think. But Naniwa is so careful against cheese, the zealot rush would never work against him. | ||
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SuperStyle
United States976 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:57 TheOrz wrote: I agree with you up to a point. It seems like you would be OK with people cheating to win. Of course, cheating in any sport undermines the entire sport, hence why players who are caught cheating are banned and their awards rescinded. Cheesing of course, is not cheating. Anything you can do within the game is not cheating. I would even argue that taking advantage of bugs via normal gameplay is not even cheating (the onus would be on the game creators to patch the game not the player to not take advantage of it). Is faking a foul in football cheating ? Is what Materazzi did to Zidane in 2006 WC finals cheating ? Is what Suarez did against Ghana cheating? No, thats playing to win. @woob The fact IdrA 6 pooled is testament to the way PvZ is a broken matchup. Some nerf needs to be put inplace, soon!! Idra also 6 pooled Jinro, does that mean ZvT is broken and Terran needs a nerf as well? | ||
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TDR
New Zealand7 Posts
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zasda
381 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:18 woob wrote: The fact IdrA 6 pooled is testament to the way PvZ is a broken matchup. Some nerf needs to be put inplace, soon!! Rofl, that's about as stupid as you can get but hey I never understood ppl who adore a bm'ing kiddo. | ||
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FuTon
United States308 Posts
As for those people who whine about White-ra or MC. I just want to say this "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people" -Eleanor Roosevelt | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
The last game by MC was pretty good. He noticed that White-Ra didnt go zaelot first in previous games so he decided to go for 2 proxy gates pressure. Also White-Ra made a few scouting mistakes. Wasn't the map rigged that you can spawn only in cross-positions? If he scouted right he might have made the forge in time. And the second mistake was not scouting his base. Quoting Day9 (or chill) from last TSL broadcast. Even if you scout and for 99% you will not find anything but in that 1% of cases it could save you your life. It was a big gamble but it payed off. If i remember correctly MC lost on that map in GSL WC Team match (he got basically out microed) so he might have some doubts in going in with normal build. | ||
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woob
United Kingdom1322 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:22 zasda wrote: Rofl, that's about as stupid as you can get but hey I never understood ppl who adore a bm'ing kiddo. I like idra, i like most of the pros, but you cant say PvZ isnt kinda broken. I havent seen zerg take down a protoss at high level in ages! | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:18 Talin wrote: The tournament has been a huge disappointment for me for the exact same reason - all of Liquid got knocked out (again -_-) in the first round, and White-Ra lost in the final against a player I dislike the most in the SC2 scene. And do you know how you will feel when Liquid players make it far and the player you dislike most in the SC2 scene gets defeated ?  It's going to be an AWESOME feeling. This time you have to suck it up, but next time will be next time. Competition is about losing & winning. You cannot always have one. On April 13 2011 06:19 SuperStyle wrote: Is what Suarez did against Ghana cheating? It's bad sportmansship Like scouting an autoloss, then disconnecting & hoping the admins say it's a regame | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:19 dubRa wrote: Tough call I think. But Naniwa is so careful against cheese, the zealot rush would never work against him. So true, nani scouts like an obsessed man | ||
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nart
97 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:29 Euronyme wrote: The mods keep being the most intelligent beings of all. lol. Imo I get really excited when I watch someone do something ridiculously cheesy. 4 gates can get dull after a while, but f*cking proxy gateways in your base never gets boring. It's so intense. Exactly, just another level of enjoying the game. The beauty of unpredictability. | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:18 woob wrote: The fact IdrA 6 pooled is testament to the way PvZ is a broken matchup. Some nerf needs to be put inplace, soon!! Why? Not about the nerfs part but about it being a testament. Idra had game 1 before premature gg and tried something new game 2, not very well prepared to 6 pool tbh (not right map/player w/e) or he simply pulled an Idra and gave up on the match. I don't think Idra is any evidence the mu is in need of balancing anymore, he's proven to be too volatile to play to his true level. MorroW is a better player to use and I wouldn't even class him as even to MC yet, no offense. | ||
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tsuxiit
1305 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:15 zasda wrote: Confidence is bm? Wake up lol. Even white-ra has bm'd more than mc these past months.. Yep. People claim White-Ra is super manner, but I've seen him rage against 4gate in-game twice in the past month. | ||
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SuperStyle
United States976 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:23 woob wrote: I like idra, i like most of the pros, but you cant say PvZ isnt kinda broken. I havent seen zerg take down a protoss at high level in ages! Maybe ur trolling too much and not actually watching games, ur hero Idra himself took down Socke and not so long ago Sen took down Naniwa 3-2 in ace game of the GCPL finals. | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:23 FuTon wrote: "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people" -Eleanor Roosevelt Doesnt make any sence? You have to think all of those to be atleast an average mind... | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:23 woob wrote: I like idra, i like most of the pros, but you cant say PvZ isnt kinda broken. I havent seen zerg take down a protoss at high level in ages! Yeah and 5 months ago all the protoss were crying that they were UP, the game changes. | ||
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zasda
381 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:23 woob wrote: I like idra, i like most of the pros, but you cant say PvZ isnt kinda broken. I havent seen zerg take down a protoss at high level in ages! Sure, game 1 didn't have anything to do with the recent protoss whines though (forcefield, voidray colossus deathball). But meh ppl can't appreciate a real pvz macro game when they see one during this "toss is op" phase. | ||
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