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On April 03 2011 22:44 UpHeaVaL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 22:39 Lobo2me wrote:On April 03 2011 22:31 laharl23 wrote:On April 03 2011 22:27 The KY wrote:On April 03 2011 22:21 UpHeaVaL wrote:On April 03 2011 22:17 The KY wrote:On April 03 2011 22:02 UpHeaVaL wrote:
How the HELL did InControl get to winners bracket??????? I count at least 9 players who are a gajillion times stronger than him. Did he cheese his way there, or was his pool really shit? I'm stunned. Maybe you're just completely fucking wrong and have no idea whether he's good or not. I've watched his stream for hours, I think I have a pretty good gage on how strong he is. But you are right, I'm just basing myself on him getting his ass handed to him by 3800 masters consistently. Maybe better players brings out his best. Thanks for helping lose my illusion. Well he earned his spot in pool play (well...someone quit and he got bumped up 1 place from 17th seed into 16th) and actually yeah funnily enough people do play a lot different in LAN settings than on the ladder, and Inc has always said he thrives at LAN settings. The point is round robin pool play is a lot better than the old, simpler format for determining better players. You can argue that it's unfair on the players who have to make it through the open bracket first and I would agree, in fact even iNcontroL would agree (on SotG he commented that it's a ridiculous number of games to play and if you win the tournament you're going to spit on the cheque they hand you and just demand a glass of water). But Naniwa, who you used as an example, didn't exactly have to pound through an open bracket full of champions. He didn't have to pound through "champions" in the open bracket, but after he was done winning the open bracket (like 8 straight bo3's I think) he STILL had to win his group and go 4-0 in it, which isn't easy He didn't have to win his group, he could just as easily gone 0-4 and still been in the running. It would be harder (looks like 10 BO3 from worst position in championship loser bracket to winner of tournament), but because he played so well in group play he now only needs to win 3 BO3 to win everything. There was also 6 BO3 in a row needed to get into the group stages, not 8. How did he go 24-0 then? My math sucks but, 6x2=12 4x2=8, 12+8=20....where did the other 4 games come from?
Where does 24-0 come from? If math and brackets says he won 20, he won 20.
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On April 03 2011 23:35 Heraklitus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:34 Louky wrote:
lol, I wonder if they know people are watching right now. The stream is not online on mlgpro.com, but it is through the direct link. :D Can someone link that bypass link again?
rtmp://cp121276.live.edgefcs.net/live/estreamsq_3@49981
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Got Dire Straits playing, premier league on the 50" in 1080. MLG coverage about to start. i LOVE my life.
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On April 03 2011 23:33 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:26 Jungosi wrote:On April 03 2011 23:16 Sleight wrote:On April 03 2011 23:11 GaryBrackett wrote:On April 03 2011 23:09 The KY wrote:On April 03 2011 23:06 Sleight wrote:
Since when are TLO, PainUser, Slush, and Mihai considered weak? This is what I cannot seem to fathom. Do you know WHY Slush was seeded so high? It's because he placed incredibly every single event. TLO is considered a PREMIERE Terran. PainUser did this thing last Dallas where he GOT THIRD because it turns out Jinro and TT1 are ABSURDLY good. Do you not remember AhhBoxer's run from last year? Just because he doesn't get out, doesn't mean he's weak. He went 10-0 thru solid players to get there.
BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT:
"I expect iNcontroL to 0-3 his group, TLO, PU, and Slush are just going to ROFL stomp him, they are so much stronger! TLO could win the whole thing! Watch out for PU to really put on a show!"
THEN:
iNcontroL loses a close series to PU, beats TLO straight up (ZOMG HE USED AIR UNITS AND THE PROTOSS WARP IN MECHANIC), solidly pounds Slush, and rolls Mihai 2-0*
NOW:
"Well obviously his group was WEAKER. I mean... lol TLO what a noob? PU? Has he ever won anything? Mihai, that's a weird name, MUST BE BAD. Slush? Zerg is weak." Yeah I agree entirely but first impressions are really hard to overcome and in most people's eyes, Inc is a second rate player and it's going to be really hard for him to overcome that. YOU CAN DO IT INC. It's because he is second rate, he brags about top 16 finishes in tournaments etc :S You mean he says... Yeah I top 16'd every MLG tournament last year except the finals which he got (wait for it) 18th, and then missed the cut for top 16 by 1 point? How many tournaments has he BEEN IN? Wait, the MLGs? And he waded thru a field of HUNDREDS of players to top 16 every time? WHAT A NOOBLET. I WANT SOMEONE BETTER THAN A GUY WHO MADE WCG TOP 3 IN BROOD WAR. Everyone knows that game is easier. And now you say foreignor BW is weak... Then why the hell do people think Day[9] is so good? The two have mostly identical accomplishments coming into SC2. Excccceeeepptt Inc is the #1 coach in SC2 (be earnings), top 16'd (out of hundreds of people) MLG repeatedly, and, ya know... been playing and doing it really well. EG is here to MAKE MONEY. Do you think they would really be okay with paying a useless salary? Dude, chill. Top 16 isn't anything to brag about if you want to be considered a top player. And no one cares about Broodwar archievements in this discussion. He never made top 3 in WCG anyway I don't know where you got that from. As for the coaching thing. Incontrol is a great guy and I think from what I've heard from him that he has a really good understanding of the game. That and being able to teach makes one a great coach. Actual ability isn't that important. Bill Walsh or Scotty Bowman weren't particular impressive as players IIRC. wait wait... So winning WCG 2007 isn't top 3? Whoops. Tell Liquipedia and Ultimate Gamer they are being lied to. iNcontroL has top 16'd (OUT OF HUNDREDS OF PLAYERS) the events he has gone to. He doesn't play in small tournaments. Why? He makes more money coaching. Most American players (cept the Liquid Boys) cannot afford to travel. MLG are the ONLY big tournaments besides IEM once a year. What is he supposed to do, create his own tournament and then do really well (wait a second...)? LiquidTyler has as few results. People aren't blindly hating him. Haypro has as few results. No blind hate. When was the last time Machine, Antec, or Drewbie won anything? Wait so Group D is about equal to group C in power level? Yet people aren't flaming Naniwa for beating an unimpressive group (I am all about Nani going 24-0).
Winning WCG USA is not the same as Winning WCG 2007. Winning WCG USA 2007 means qualifying for WCG 2007. Which is still a good accomplishment btw.
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On April 03 2011 23:33 Ryuu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:31 Hrrrrm wrote:On April 03 2011 23:13 Orome wrote:On April 03 2011 23:06 Sleight wrote:
Since when are TLO, PainUser, Slush, and Mihai considered weak? This is what I cannot seem to fathom. Do you know WHY Slush was seeded so high? It's because he placed incredibly every single event. TLO is considered a PREMIERE Terran. PainUser did this thing last Dallas where he GOT THIRD because it turns out Jinro and TT1 are ABSURDLY good. Do you not remember AhhBoxer's run from last year? Just because he doesn't get out, doesn't mean he's weak. He went 10-0 thru solid players to get there.
BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT:
"I expect iNcontroL to 0-3 his group, TLO, PU, and Slush are just going to ROFL stomp him, they are so much stronger! TLO could win the whole thing! Watch out for PU to really put on a show!"
THEN:
iNcontroL loses a close series to PU, beats TLO straight up (ZOMG HE USED AIR UNITS AND THE PROTOSS WARP IN MECHANIC), solidly pounds Slush, and rolls Mihai 2-0*
NOW:
"Well obviously his group was WEAKER. I mean... lol TLO what a noob? PU? Has he ever won anything? Mihai, that's a weird name, MUST BE BAD. Slush? Zerg is weak." I really don't want to get into this whole 'how good is inc' argument, but there's no doubt that his group was weaker than the others, especially A and B. PU and Slush are both good, but not in the top tier of foreigners. TLO's been slumping hard for a pretty long while now. I don't know much about mihai tbh, but I doubt anyone would consider him a top foreigner either. They're all good, certainly and going 4-1 in this group's a great result (and better than I expected for inc), but if he wants to really prove himself, he'll have to put up a good showing against Select and the other players he'll be playing today. I don't blame Incontrol for doing well but, the format is a joke. He played LITERALLY 4 matches(winning 3 and losing 1) and is guaranteed Top 6 even if he loses his next 2 series. In what tournament does that happen that isn't an invitational?!? He practiced hard and took advantage of the situation he was in. He should tank his lucky stars that Huk and Jinro and whoever else that was seeded initially in Top 16 didn't guarantee coming to Dallas or not Incontrol would've had to slave through the Open Tournament. I'm glad he did well and stepped up when he finally had to win the games put in front of him. Big guy finally showed up. lol what? every seated play has the chance to make top 6 with LITERALLY 4 bestof3's. You know why? because they are SEATED!
Yeah, the format is a little goofy at first glance but...
They all have equal chances to get to each spot on the championship bracket so... it's not like they they're going to win the whole thing with only 4 games.
(I'm not going to lose sleep over it.)
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You guys are too concerned about BMing, idra was probably over it before the third game even finished.
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On April 03 2011 23:35 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:35 Heraklitus wrote:On April 03 2011 23:34 Louky wrote:
lol, I wonder if they know people are watching right now. The stream is not online on mlgpro.com, but it is through the direct link. :D Can someone link that bypass link again? rtmp://cp121276.live.edgefcs.net/live/estreamsq_3@49981
Don't waste time they found us, and put lots of commercials lol
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On April 03 2011 23:33 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:26 Jungosi wrote:On April 03 2011 23:16 Sleight wrote:On April 03 2011 23:11 GaryBrackett wrote:On April 03 2011 23:09 The KY wrote:On April 03 2011 23:06 Sleight wrote:
Since when are TLO, PainUser, Slush, and Mihai considered weak? This is what I cannot seem to fathom. Do you know WHY Slush was seeded so high? It's because he placed incredibly every single event. TLO is considered a PREMIERE Terran. PainUser did this thing last Dallas where he GOT THIRD because it turns out Jinro and TT1 are ABSURDLY good. Do you not remember AhhBoxer's run from last year? Just because he doesn't get out, doesn't mean he's weak. He went 10-0 thru solid players to get there.
BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT:
"I expect iNcontroL to 0-3 his group, TLO, PU, and Slush are just going to ROFL stomp him, they are so much stronger! TLO could win the whole thing! Watch out for PU to really put on a show!"
THEN:
iNcontroL loses a close series to PU, beats TLO straight up (ZOMG HE USED AIR UNITS AND THE PROTOSS WARP IN MECHANIC), solidly pounds Slush, and rolls Mihai 2-0*
NOW:
"Well obviously his group was WEAKER. I mean... lol TLO what a noob? PU? Has he ever won anything? Mihai, that's a weird name, MUST BE BAD. Slush? Zerg is weak." Yeah I agree entirely but first impressions are really hard to overcome and in most people's eyes, Inc is a second rate player and it's going to be really hard for him to overcome that. YOU CAN DO IT INC. It's because he is second rate, he brags about top 16 finishes in tournaments etc :S You mean he says... Yeah I top 16'd every MLG tournament last year except the finals which he got (wait for it) 18th, and then missed the cut for top 16 by 1 point? How many tournaments has he BEEN IN? Wait, the MLGs? And he waded thru a field of HUNDREDS of players to top 16 every time? WHAT A NOOBLET. I WANT SOMEONE BETTER THAN A GUY WHO MADE WCG TOP 3 IN BROOD WAR. Everyone knows that game is easier. And now you say foreignor BW is weak... Then why the hell do people think Day[9] is so good? The two have mostly identical accomplishments coming into SC2. Excccceeeepptt Inc is the #1 coach in SC2 (be earnings), top 16'd (out of hundreds of people) MLG repeatedly, and, ya know... been playing and doing it really well. EG is here to MAKE MONEY. Do you think they would really be okay with paying a useless salary? Dude, chill. Top 16 isn't anything to brag about if you want to be considered a top player. And no one cares about Broodwar archievements in this discussion. He never made top 3 in WCG anyway I don't know where you got that from. As for the coaching thing. Incontrol is a great guy and I think from what I've heard from him that he has a really good understanding of the game. That and being able to teach makes one a great coach. Actual ability isn't that important. Bill Walsh or Scotty Bowman weren't particular impressive as players IIRC. wait wait... So winning WCG 2007 isn't top 3? Whoops. Tell Liquipedia and Ultimate Gamer they are being lied to. iNcontroL has top 16'd (OUT OF HUNDREDS OF PLAYERS) the events he has gone to. He doesn't play in small tournaments. Why? He makes more money coaching. Most American players (cept the Liquid Boys) cannot afford to travel. MLG are the ONLY big tournaments besides IEM once a year. What is he supposed to do, create his own tournament and then do really well (wait a second...)? LiquidTyler has as few results. People aren't blindly hating him. Haypro has as few results. No blind hate. When was the last time Machine, Antec, or Drewbie won anything? Wait so Group D is about equal to group C in power level? Yet people aren't flaming Naniwa for beating an unimpressive group (I am all about Nani going 24-0).
You need to get a grip on reality, as right now you are acting like a delusional iNcontroL fan.
According to his TLPD he currently has 0 entries and a 40% record. This is why people believe he is an overrated player. (Not to mention this is in the weakest region.)
EDIT: Forgot to mention that he is a good player, he just doesn't have the results to prove it yet.
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On April 03 2011 23:33 Ryuu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:31 Hrrrrm wrote:On April 03 2011 23:13 Orome wrote:On April 03 2011 23:06 Sleight wrote:
Since when are TLO, PainUser, Slush, and Mihai considered weak? This is what I cannot seem to fathom. Do you know WHY Slush was seeded so high? It's because he placed incredibly every single event. TLO is considered a PREMIERE Terran. PainUser did this thing last Dallas where he GOT THIRD because it turns out Jinro and TT1 are ABSURDLY good. Do you not remember AhhBoxer's run from last year? Just because he doesn't get out, doesn't mean he's weak. He went 10-0 thru solid players to get there.
BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT:
"I expect iNcontroL to 0-3 his group, TLO, PU, and Slush are just going to ROFL stomp him, they are so much stronger! TLO could win the whole thing! Watch out for PU to really put on a show!"
THEN:
iNcontroL loses a close series to PU, beats TLO straight up (ZOMG HE USED AIR UNITS AND THE PROTOSS WARP IN MECHANIC), solidly pounds Slush, and rolls Mihai 2-0*
NOW:
"Well obviously his group was WEAKER. I mean... lol TLO what a noob? PU? Has he ever won anything? Mihai, that's a weird name, MUST BE BAD. Slush? Zerg is weak." I really don't want to get into this whole 'how good is inc' argument, but there's no doubt that his group was weaker than the others, especially A and B. PU and Slush are both good, but not in the top tier of foreigners. TLO's been slumping hard for a pretty long while now. I don't know much about mihai tbh, but I doubt anyone would consider him a top foreigner either. They're all good, certainly and going 4-1 in this group's a great result (and better than I expected for inc), but if he wants to really prove himself, he'll have to put up a good showing against Select and the other players he'll be playing today. I don't blame Incontrol for doing well but, the format is a joke. He played LITERALLY 4 matches(winning 3 and losing 1) and is guaranteed Top 6 even if he loses his next 2 series. In what tournament does that happen that isn't an invitational?!? He practiced hard and took advantage of the situation he was in. He should tank his lucky stars that Huk and Jinro and whoever else that was seeded initially in Top 16 didn't guarantee coming to Dallas or not Incontrol would've had to slave through the Open Tournament. I'm glad he did well and stepped up when he finally had to win the games put in front of him. Big guy finally showed up. lol what? every seated play has the chance to make top 6 with LITERALLY 4 bestof3's. You know why? because they are SEATED!
I think you mean "seeded". 
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On April 03 2011 23:33 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:18 KvltMan wrote:On April 03 2011 23:11 The KY wrote:On April 03 2011 23:09 Deadlyfish wrote:On April 03 2011 23:06 The KY wrote:On April 03 2011 22:43 Lanzal wrote:On April 03 2011 22:41 The KY wrote:Is it true that Idra quit a game against HuK when HuK hallucinated a bunch of voids? + Show Spoiler + Think we need to watch that game before thinking it was a stupid move, maybe he already was heavily in the lead and Idra knew he would lose anyway.. Just watched it, Idra had a 30 supply lead and a clear advantage in the battle with a lot of broodlords against not very many stalkers and a shit ton of colossus and sentry. And in game 3 ; HuK; you realise HuK; most of that army Idra; fuck off HuK; was halluc HuK: LOL Idra told him to fuck off 0_0 His bm is going off the scale recently, it was funny now it's ridiculous. Needs to grow up some? Well that was pretty BM of HuK to mention that last game when IdrA lost. HuK is really chatty and that can get pretty annoying at times  I disagree, if my opponent in a series had just quit when he was ahead because of hallucination, in the next game I would definitely be like 'um...those weren't even units dude you were winning'. EDIT: On April 03 2011 23:10 Marradron wrote:
HUK was the one being very BM here. There are rules not to talk in game. He talked. His comments were nothing more than throwing more sand in idras eyes after that loss. Didn't like huk before, certainly don't now. idra; fuck off Yeah HuK is so bm. Come on man if someone quits because of hallucination you are TOTALLY going to tell him. Seriously, it's obvious that you loathe IdrA, but get a grip. HuK started that conversation one minute in to game 3, for no reason. Not only did he break teh rules, but he BMd IdrA, after what was obviously an annoying loss. Sort of like kicking someone when they're down. All respect to HuK, but he was the agressor, and should at least have gotten a penalty, or something, I love Idra, not least for his arrogance and early gg timings. But there's a line. Plus I've never been on the HuK-wagon, but I still think disregarding the no talking rule, it's absolutely not bm. He was just surprised. Regarding the no talking rule, like I said it's up to the officials.
people might have had a case to hate on Huk if idra just waited for Huk to finish before telling him to fuck off. But as is its obvious that either both of them are equally guilty of ill manners.
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On April 03 2011 23:35 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:35 Heraklitus wrote:On April 03 2011 23:34 Louky wrote:
lol, I wonder if they know people are watching right now. The stream is not online on mlgpro.com, but it is through the direct link. :D Can someone link that bypass link again? rtmp://cp121276.live.edgefcs.net/live/estreamsq_3@49981
Thank you sir.
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stream started yet for anyone ?
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On April 03 2011 23:22 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 23:18 The KY wrote:On April 03 2011 23:13 MrSexington wrote:On April 03 2011 23:06 The KY wrote:On April 03 2011 22:43 Lanzal wrote:On April 03 2011 22:41 The KY wrote:Is it true that Idra quit a game against HuK when HuK hallucinated a bunch of voids? + Show Spoiler + Think we need to watch that game before thinking it was a stupid move, maybe he already was heavily in the lead and Idra knew he would lose anyway.. Just watched it, Idra had a 30 supply lead and a clear advantage in the battle with a lot of broodlords against not very many stalkers and a shit ton of colossus and sentry. And in game 3 ; HuK; you realise HuK; most of that army Idra; fuck off HuK; was halluc HuK: LOL Idra told him to fuck off 0_0 His bm is going off the scale recently, it was funny now it's ridiculous. Needs to grow up some? HuK was trolling. IdrA got mad that another player was trolling him in-game. What's worse? I'll say again that if someone leaves because of hallucination then you are absolutely going to be in shock about it and bring it up. I really can't see that it's trolling. You're an IDIOT. HuK was clearly taunting him, which can throw a player off game and put him in a bad mindset. Seriously; i love people who get so pissy over idra and his BM on LADDER. There are so much worse people out there.
Relax, compadre, I'm not getting pissy. I thought it was funny.
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IncontroL via twitter:
I want this. I will get this. I will attack.
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I see darkened casters xD
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EPT
