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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
On March 28 2011 14:30 TL.happYhOUR wrote: LOOK AT ALL THE PROTOSS. THIS IS ITS GANAN BE MOSTLY MIRROR MATCH UPS AND TVP... ZZZZZ Actually, if you look at the players still remaining in Code A from last time and combine them with this group then you'll see that it evens out pretty nicely. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On March 28 2011 14:39 Bobble wrote: You do know why the Code A pool is so much lower than Code S, right? If it was about half, or even a quarter the money of Code S, top players would intentionally play bad to get easier competition so they can get the easier money. It wouldn't give you a good list on whos good or whos bad, there wouldn't be great matches of skill, it would just be the best players in the game going back to Code A and scoring some dough. I think you are seriously misjudging pro players or even people in general. And even someone would have mentality like that one who are so sure of winning code A must have skill level at least adequate to make semis regulary in code S and that would pay off sooner or later not to mention code S gets ''ok'' money for simply being in there even if they fuck up in first rounds. | ||
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Bart
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
You are the one looking at it much simpler than it is.. "simply being outplayed.. strategy, macro" lol there's some games where he is constantly ahead of food count and has higher tech units and gets rolled by someone with mass colossi/stalker... i didn't say that the zerg needs to be "slightly better economically" out-macro means what it means, in EVERY aspect. he has more drones AND more fighting units but still gets crushed. That's what I'm trying to point out. How do you know when Zerg is actually ahead, because I think we can agree that Zerg "needs" a bigger econ in general against Protoss and Terran. You just said yourself that Idra is sometimes ahead by food and/or tech, but gets rolled by colossi/stalker (deathball, or quality units). This should be the way it is, right? Except Idra must have been behind econ-wise, even considering Zerg needs to have a bigger econ. Now if Idra crushes opponents with equal economy (and army etc.), then something is wrong with the way Zerg is designed. But if Protoss or Terran crushes Zerg with a smaller economy, then it does not prove whether or not there is something wrong with the strength of the quantity-over-quality of the Protoss and Terran units (relative to Zerg units). Exactly, and slightly better economically is the minimum point of which you can call "out-macro". What I'm saying is, again, how do you know when a Zerg's econ actually puts him equal with the opponent, since it is Zerg and Zerg needs a bigger econ? That is what's not making sense in your conclusion from earlier. If you can't be at least slightly better economically, you sure can't be out-macro'ing your opponent (in a ZvX). If you can't be out-macro'ing your opponent, then you cannot "prove" that there is something wrong with the Zerg quantity-over-quality design. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
Edit: Yay squirtle. Boo moonglade and haypro. :< | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
Sad that Haypro and Glade didn't make it - especially Haypro, man, that guy deserves a break. | ||
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shire
United States405 Posts
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sqrt
1210 Posts
Sad about Hypro | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
On March 28 2011 17:12 shire wrote: haypro will win code A on next GSL and win GSL code S season after that. you heard it here first :D lol haypro is no where good enough to do that. | ||
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Kirsz
Canada40 Posts
On March 28 2011 14:39 Bobble wrote: You do know why the Code A pool is so much lower than Code S, right? If it was about half, or even a quarter the money of Code S, top players would intentionally play bad to get easier competition so they can get the easier money. It wouldn't give you a good list on whos good or whos bad, there wouldn't be great matches of skill, it would just be the best players in the game going back to Code A and scoring some dough. I'm not saying that they should add 10k to the championship prize, but they should at least add a fair amount to the semifinals/runnerup/champion. It's also a HUGE RISK to purposely drop down to code A (you can easily get knocked out of the tournament if you're on a bad day or meet MMA in the RO32). Then again after thinking about it, GOM's intention is to make the code S as competitive as possible.. so adding money to the code A prize is counterproductive :\ Yeah bad idea. | ||
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OmniscientSC2
United States713 Posts
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Ghostface_Killa
United States168 Posts
I'm still shocked at how small Code A's prize pool is... however, I think it's absolutely necessary to give players the proper incentive to keep pushing themselves to the next level, or at the very least not get overly comfortable. If you ask me, it seems to be working judging by the leaps and bounds in skills we've been seeing every season... Fruitdealer who? | ||
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Ghostface_Killa
United States168 Posts
On March 28 2011 12:37 Kirsz wrote: They should seriously upgrade the code A prizepool. Seriously, Code A is beginning to look better than S. I agree, but rewarding Code A players with more money only gives everyone more incentive to remain second class. Give them more money and I guarantee you the skill level in SC2 will plummet. | ||
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WingEn
84 Posts
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 28 2011 18:37 Ghostface_Killa wrote: I agree, but rewarding Code A players with more money only gives everyone more incentive to remain second class. Give them more money and I guarantee you the skill level in SC2 will plummet. Not really. It's super super super hard to get into code A and it's even harder to remain in Code A. So there's a massive incentive for a player once in Code A to make it into Code S so he has the buffer zone of at least another 2 seasons in the Codes. Giving more money to Code A will do wonders for it , not the opposite. There is no incentive to stick in Code A once you have made it to the up/down matches. Any player can lose a Bo3. | ||
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