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On March 18 2011 12:04 Inflexion wrote:
I feel like ret has inc's macro style figured out
inc's 'shark mode' during mid game is to threaten that a 6gate or some weird huk timing is coming, but almost everytime inc is 'faking' aggression so ret just realizes this and knows inc is not going to attack so he grabs a 3rd and gets a pretty big econ lead
Yea i agree with this. Everyone in the world knows when inc 3 gate expands, he never goes for 5-6 gate timing like tyler and he is just "sharking" That is not fooling anyone now.
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On March 18 2011 12:05 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 12:03 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:01 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:59 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:56 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:55 bkrow wrote: EGiNcontrol vs  Liquid'Ret on Xel'Naga Caverns! Game 3 - the deciding match for this series! iNc spawning bottom left, Ret spawning top right position! Ret opening pool first, iNc drops his gateway iNc drops his second gas; pylon blocks the expansion.. But fails a little bit there; 2nd queen and metabolic boost on the way. Ret gets his hatchery down - about halfway done.. Chronoboost is on the nexus; Ret drops a roach warren; playing really safe. Speed is done, and iNc really hasn't made a tech choice.. iNc forcefields Ret's scouting lings on the ramp and picks them off; Ret drops an evo chamber iNc drops his nexus; and a forge. Missile attacks level 1 on the way, both players macroing well; Ret scouts the nexus and cancels his spine crawler; Attack level 1 for protoss on the way; Ret has taken his 3rd in the ditch; and has lair tech on the way iNc has about 400 sentries.. (lol about 7 or 8 lol) Ret sneaks 2 lings into iNc base! Scouts everything out! iNc kicking himself hehe and throws down a robo now; roach speed, burrow, and missile attacks level 2 on the way for Ret now. Hydra den just finished for Ret; as both players fight over Xel Naga towers; grooved spines on the way for Ret; Ret making a ton of lings iNc denies Ret taking the gold; Collossus tech is out and should have them on the way soon.. Thermal lance also on the way but Ret just dropped the spire.. Ret moves to iNc 3rd base attempting to deny it; iNc tries to move into position but Ret denies it and backs out, a couple lings scout out iNc base Ret takes the gold
Blink on the way, corrupters on the way, carapace and air attack level 1 upgrades on the way; iNc looking to take that 3rd again, dropping some cannons and positioning his army
Dark shrine on the way!! And blink almost done; Ret expands again to the 3 oclock position..
Engagement at iNc 3rd base and Ret snipes all the collossus; FFs save iNc base as he forces Ret back
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inc done lost. You can't let zerg get 4 base 200.
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On March 18 2011 12:04 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 12:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Ah if iNcontroL pushed right now, that would be a pretty good timing attack.
But instead, he's powering, throwing down a robo.
He's definitely not putting enough pressure on Ret. On his stream, he always waits for obs to move out. He's afraid of burrowed roaches.
Very interesting. I guess that makes sense, but then he could just retreat if they buried. Plus, he's gotten multiple immortals so he had no intention of applying any pressure, which is a pity.
Great colossus snipe by Ret. Poor positioning by iNcontroL too.
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On March 18 2011 12:07 tdt wrote:
inc done lost. You can't let zerg get 4 base 200.
What PvZ's have you been watching?
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On March 18 2011 12:04 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:59 Enervate wrote:On March 18 2011 11:57 iamke55 wrote:On March 18 2011 11:54 1Eris1 wrote:On March 18 2011 11:53 iamke55 wrote:
Incontrol outplayed ret but still lost. Sad to see but hey, 1-1 is more exciting than 2-0 any day! How? He didn't scout ret's third at all until way late. That basically gave ret the game right there. He took 2 hidden expos AND teched spire, all with no defense to hold off any kind of 5/6 gate timing attack. That's just gambling, and it worked this time, but it's not something you can do two games in a row. It's called reading your opponent. His 3rd was also not a hidden expo. It was a standard timing for a 3rd. There's no "reading" involved, he was just hoping. You don't scout your opponent and go "ah, I can tell this guy's build doesn't give him the ability to scout hidden expos", you take it and hope he doesn't scout. You see how incontrol didn't 4 gate because he knew he couldn't get away with it twice in a row? Ret's playing differently in game 3 for the same reason: he knows what he did in game 2 will never work twice in a row. Now ret's playing standard in game 3 so if he wins this, he would definitely be playing better than incontrol.
Ret didn't take his hidden expo until he had map control with mutas. Xelnaga is a pretty bad map to go spire on. Inc didn't 4gate because he probably thought he would have a better chance on Metal than on Shakuras.
Also, Incontrol almost never 5-6 gate timing attacks. If I know this, I'm pretty sure someone has told Ret this or he's figured it out himself.
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On March 18 2011 12:07 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 12:05 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:03 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:01 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:59 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:56 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:55 bkrow wrote:EGiNcontrol vs Liquid'Ret on Xel'Naga Caverns! Game 3 - the deciding match for this series! iNc spawning bottom left, Ret spawning top right position! Ret opening pool first, iNc drops his gateway iNc drops his second gas; pylon blocks the expansion.. But fails a little bit there; 2nd queen and metabolic boost on the way. Ret gets his hatchery down - about halfway done.. Chronoboost is on the nexus; Ret drops a roach warren; playing really safe. Speed is done, and iNc really hasn't made a tech choice.. iNc forcefields Ret's scouting lings on the ramp and picks them off; Ret drops an evo chamber iNc drops his nexus; and a forge. Missile attacks level 1 on the way, both players macroing well; Ret scouts the nexus and cancels his spine crawler; Attack level 1 for protoss on the way; Ret has taken his 3rd in the ditch; and has lair tech on the way iNc has about 400 sentries.. (lol about 7 or 8 lol) Ret sneaks 2 lings into iNc base! Scouts everything out! iNc kicking himself hehe and throws down a robo now; roach speed, burrow, and missile attacks level 2 on the way for Ret now. Hydra den just finished for Ret; as both players fight over Xel Naga towers; grooved spines on the way for Ret; Ret making a ton of lings iNc denies Ret taking the gold; Collossus tech is out and should have them on the way soon.. Thermal lance also on the way but Ret just dropped the spire.. Ret moves to iNc 3rd base attempting to deny it; iNc tries to move into position but Ret denies it and backs out, a couple lings scout out iNc base Ret takes the gold Blink on the way, corrupters on the way, carapace and air attack level 1 upgrades on the way; iNc looking to take that 3rd again, dropping some cannons and positioning his army Dark shrine on the way!! And blink almost done; Ret expands again to the 3 oclock position.. Engagement at iNc 3rd base and Ret snipes all the collossus; FFs save iNc base as he forces Ret back
DTs on the field, attacking Ret's third base, and Ret was totally unprepared  iNc hits the gold base, and the third, taking out drones left right and centre
Greater spire on the way, iNc sitting on double robo.. iNc scouts Rets 4th base and Broodlords are on the way!
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On March 18 2011 12:09 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 12:07 tdt wrote:
inc done lost. You can't let zerg get 4 base 200. What PvZ's have you been watching?
Incontrol has a weird PvZ style that doesn't seem very good, he stays on gateway way too long. If he played like Kiwikaki, sure he might still be in a good position:-P
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Why did he repop Ling/Hydra this is gonna be ugly
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iNcontroL's kryptonite: broodlords.
Gonna lose game three.
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JEEEZ that is SICK army control by ret....... holy shit
that dance he did with broodlords/hydra/lings/corruptors was sooooooooooo sick
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On March 18 2011 12:09 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 12:07 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:05 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:03 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:01 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:59 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:56 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:55 bkrow wrote:EGiNcontrol vs Liquid'Ret on Xel'Naga Caverns! Game 3 - the deciding match for this series! iNc spawning bottom left, Ret spawning top right position! Ret opening pool first, iNc drops his gateway iNc drops his second gas; pylon blocks the expansion.. But fails a little bit there; 2nd queen and metabolic boost on the way. Ret gets his hatchery down - about halfway done.. Chronoboost is on the nexus; Ret drops a roach warren; playing really safe. Speed is done, and iNc really hasn't made a tech choice.. iNc forcefields Ret's scouting lings on the ramp and picks them off; Ret drops an evo chamber iNc drops his nexus; and a forge. Missile attacks level 1 on the way, both players macroing well; Ret scouts the nexus and cancels his spine crawler; Attack level 1 for protoss on the way; Ret has taken his 3rd in the ditch; and has lair tech on the way iNc has about 400 sentries.. (lol about 7 or 8 lol) Ret sneaks 2 lings into iNc base! Scouts everything out! iNc kicking himself hehe and throws down a robo now; roach speed, burrow, and missile attacks level 2 on the way for Ret now. Hydra den just finished for Ret; as both players fight over Xel Naga towers; grooved spines on the way for Ret; Ret making a ton of lings iNc denies Ret taking the gold; Collossus tech is out and should have them on the way soon.. Thermal lance also on the way but Ret just dropped the spire.. Ret moves to iNc 3rd base attempting to deny it; iNc tries to move into position but Ret denies it and backs out, a couple lings scout out iNc base Ret takes the gold Blink on the way, corrupters on the way, carapace and air attack level 1 upgrades on the way; iNc looking to take that 3rd again, dropping some cannons and positioning his army Dark shrine on the way!! And blink almost done; Ret expands again to the 3 oclock position.. Engagement at iNc 3rd base and Ret snipes all the collossus; FFs save iNc base as he forces Ret back DTs on the field, attacking Ret's third base, and Ret was totally unprepared iNc hits the gold base, and the third, taking out drones left right and centre Greater spire on the way, iNc sitting on double robo.. iNc scouts Rets 4th base and Broodlords are on the way!
DTs lock down Rets 4th expansion; picking off the hatchery, but Ret is on 5 bases; engagement at iNc 3rd base - FFs deny everything on the ramp
Ret moves into iNc 3rd base with blords and hydras, and snipes the nexus! Ret dominates iNc army, which is forced back to his natural..
Still has 4 collossus out, but the broodlords are doing some sick damage; Engagement at iNc gold, and iNc catches Ret off guard, sniping all the broodlords.. A nice exchange but there are only stalkers left, and hydras for Ret.. Both players need to rebuild
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when ret was pushing into incontrols third, was inc out of sentry energy? i feel like he could split that army in half and destroyed it.. instead he retreated.
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get some sleep 
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Yeah incontrol loses once again by not scouting a 3rd and letting ret build a shit ton of units and stock resources.
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Incontrol plays way too passively, really unimpressive series from him.
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On March 18 2011 12:13 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 12:09 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:07 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:05 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:03 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 12:01 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:59 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:56 bkrow wrote:On March 18 2011 11:55 bkrow wrote:EGiNcontrol vs Liquid'Ret on Xel'Naga Caverns! Game 3 - the deciding match for this series! iNc spawning bottom left, Ret spawning top right position! Ret opening pool first, iNc drops his gateway iNc drops his second gas; pylon blocks the expansion.. But fails a little bit there; 2nd queen and metabolic boost on the way. Ret gets his hatchery down - about halfway done.. Chronoboost is on the nexus; Ret drops a roach warren; playing really safe. Speed is done, and iNc really hasn't made a tech choice.. iNc forcefields Ret's scouting lings on the ramp and picks them off; Ret drops an evo chamber iNc drops his nexus; and a forge. Missile attacks level 1 on the way, both players macroing well; Ret scouts the nexus and cancels his spine crawler; Attack level 1 for protoss on the way; Ret has taken his 3rd in the ditch; and has lair tech on the way iNc has about 400 sentries.. (lol about 7 or 8 lol) Ret sneaks 2 lings into iNc base! Scouts everything out! iNc kicking himself hehe and throws down a robo now; roach speed, burrow, and missile attacks level 2 on the way for Ret now. Hydra den just finished for Ret; as both players fight over Xel Naga towers; grooved spines on the way for Ret; Ret making a ton of lings iNc denies Ret taking the gold; Collossus tech is out and should have them on the way soon.. Thermal lance also on the way but Ret just dropped the spire.. Ret moves to iNc 3rd base attempting to deny it; iNc tries to move into position but Ret denies it and backs out, a couple lings scout out iNc base Ret takes the gold Blink on the way, corrupters on the way, carapace and air attack level 1 upgrades on the way; iNc looking to take that 3rd again, dropping some cannons and positioning his army Dark shrine on the way!! And blink almost done; Ret expands again to the 3 oclock position.. Engagement at iNc 3rd base and Ret snipes all the collossus; FFs save iNc base as he forces Ret back DTs on the field, attacking Ret's third base, and Ret was totally unprepared iNc hits the gold base, and the third, taking out drones left right and centre Greater spire on the way, iNc sitting on double robo.. iNc scouts Rets 4th base and Broodlords are on the way! DTs lock down Rets 4th expansion; picking off the hatchery, but Ret is on 5 bases; engagement at iNc 3rd base - FFs deny everything on the ramp Ret moves into iNc 3rd base with blords and hydras, and snipes the nexus! Ret dominates iNc army, which is forced back to his natural.. Still has 4 collossus out, but the broodlords are doing some sick damage; Engagement at iNc gold, and iNc catches Ret off guard, sniping all the broodlords.. A nice exchange but there are only stalkers left, and hydras for Ret.. Both players need to rebuild
Ret pushes into the natural of iNc a ton of roaches pushing in, iNc tries to defend with DTs but an overseer moves in.. iNc natural goes down and iNc GGs!
Ret wins 2-1!
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