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On March 18 2011 11:53 Offhand wrote: So you can stop mass blink stalkers with broodlords. This doesn't make sense but it works. inc didnt have nearly enough stalkers to stop 7 broods
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On March 18 2011 11:53 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:53 Kurr wrote: Well, Ret played well overall but his attack on incontrol's natural with his roaches earlier wasn't really a good decision IMO. Other than that, it was never really close because of the economy. He was maxed. Why not attack?
Bad position, he lost a ton of roaches to forcefields and did pretty much no damage.
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On March 18 2011 11:53 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:50 The KY wrote:On March 18 2011 11:46 ImHuko wrote: See, there is absolutely no reason to 4gate 1 word; variation. It is kind of obvious, Ret is much better player, incontrol can't hang, so he 4 gates.
Yep, you have a grudge against incontrol, I think you've gotten your point across.
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Was a fun game to watch, but both of them have a lot to improve on. incontrol lost due to lack of scouting and ret won due to sheer volume of units from the hidden expo :/ Felt like ret should've been able to secure an easier win, though *maybe* he was planning to throw atleast a bit of his units away, to make room for hydras, dunno.
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On March 18 2011 11:53 iamke55 wrote: Incontrol outplayed ret but still lost. Sad to see but hey, 1-1 is more exciting than 2-0 any day!
How? He didn't scout ret's third at all until way late. That basically gave ret the game right there.
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On March 18 2011 11:53 Offhand wrote: So you can stop mass blink stalkers with broodlords. This doesn't make sense but it works.
It wasn't just blink stalkers and it wasn't just broodlords.
But yes, if you have zerglings or roaches right below the broodlords it's kind of hard for the blink stalkers to blink in and snipe them.
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On March 18 2011 11:53 Offhand wrote: So you can stop mass blink stalkers with broodlords. This doesn't make sense but it works.
There weren't mass stalkers at that point...
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On March 18 2011 11:54 halvorg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:53 ImHuko wrote:On March 18 2011 11:50 The KY wrote:On March 18 2011 11:46 ImHuko wrote: See, there is absolutely no reason to 4gate 1 word; variation. It is kind of obvious, Ret is much better player, incontrol can't hang, so he 4 gates. Yep, you have a grudge against incontrol, I think you've gotten your point across.
You should see how upset he gets on his stream about incontrol.
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On March 18 2011 11:53 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:50 The KY wrote:On March 18 2011 11:46 ImHuko wrote: See, there is absolutely no reason to 4gate 1 word; variation. It is kind of obvious, Ret is much better player, incontrol can't hang, so he 4 gates. so how's the anti inc crusade going, mr esport-loving community guy
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On March 18 2011 11:53 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:50 The KY wrote:On March 18 2011 11:46 ImHuko wrote: See, there is absolutely no reason to 4gate 1 word; variation. It is kind of obvious, Ret is much better player, incontrol can't hang, so he 4 gates.
iNcontroL usually doesn't 4gate lol.
Ret played well in game two, but two things really won it for him:
1. His early fourth base not being scouted 2. iNcontroL not getting his third up until super super late
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On March 18 2011 11:54 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:53 Enervate wrote:On March 18 2011 11:53 Kurr wrote: Well, Ret played well overall but his attack on incontrol's natural with his roaches earlier wasn't really a good decision IMO. Other than that, it was never really close because of the economy. He was maxed. Why not attack? Bad position, he lost a ton of roaches to forcefields and did pretty much no damage. Forcefields aren't free, and roaches are easily replaced. Otherwise, Inc wasn't going to be moving out without a 200/200 army anyways. He only countered because Ret attacked.
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On March 18 2011 11:54 halvorg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:53 ImHuko wrote:On March 18 2011 11:50 The KY wrote:On March 18 2011 11:46 ImHuko wrote: See, there is absolutely no reason to 4gate 1 word; variation. It is kind of obvious, Ret is much better player, incontrol can't hang, so he 4 gates. Yep, you have a grudge against incontrol, I think you've gotten your point across. It is a grudge against protoss. I don't understand why they 4 gate when they are at the advantage (shakura's pvz). Specially a player hoping to join a premiere league and show good games. Go watch Kiwikaki vs Idra, that is how every protoss should play vs Zerg, there is no reason not to.
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On March 18 2011 11:55 bkrow wrote: EGiNcontrol vs  Liquid'Ret on Xel'Naga Caverns! Game 3 - the deciding match for this series! iNc spawning bottom left, Ret spawning top right position! Ret opening pool first, iNc drops his gateway
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On March 18 2011 11:53 iamke55 wrote: Incontrol outplayed ret but still lost. Sad to see but hey, 1-1 is more exciting than 2-0 any day!
I disagree I thought Ret played a better game. DTs damage was minimized. Expanded and Macro'd better. Defended all of Incontrol's pushes and Transitioned better into the late game.
When incontrol lost his sentries he lost the game.
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On March 18 2011 11:54 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:53 iamke55 wrote: Incontrol outplayed ret but still lost. Sad to see but hey, 1-1 is more exciting than 2-0 any day! How? He didn't scout ret's third at all until way late. That basically gave ret the game right there.
He took 2 hidden expos AND teched spire, all with no defense to hold off any kind of 5/6 gate timing attack. That's just gambling, and it worked this time, but it's not something you can do two games in a row.
edit: to hidiliho, any good player can look like they're macroing well if they take two hidden expos that don't get scouted. Maybe ret played well by poker standards, but I'm hesitant to say it by RTS standards.
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On March 18 2011 11:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:53 ImHuko wrote:On March 18 2011 11:50 The KY wrote:On March 18 2011 11:46 ImHuko wrote: See, there is absolutely no reason to 4gate 1 word; variation. It is kind of obvious, Ret is much better player, incontrol can't hang, so he 4 gates. iNcontoL usually doesn't 4gate lol. Ret played well in game two, but two things really won it for him: 1. His early fourth base not being scouted 2. iNcontroL not getting his third up until super super late
Thats pretty much it. If he scouts the early 4th he could have pushed and won or if his 3rd went up sooner he wouldn't have been so far behind. He had some clutch DT's to keep him in longer than he should have been.
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On March 18 2011 11:53 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:50 The KY wrote:On March 18 2011 11:46 ImHuko wrote: See, there is absolutely no reason to 4gate 1 word; variation. It is kind of obvious, Ret is much better player, incontrol can't hang, so he 4 gates. we all know about your grudge and you were given a second chance and unbanned but your whining in this thread is getting extremely tiresome
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On March 18 2011 11:55 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 11:53 Offhand wrote: So you can stop mass blink stalkers with broodlords. This doesn't make sense but it works. There weren't mass stalkers at that point...
It was when he engaged. He had like 2 collosi.
Granted Incontrol didn't attempt much blink micro w/ shield to get in extra damage.
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did this start 1 hour earlier? it said 23PM BRT, I came here 22:45 and Idra was winning his second game
//tx
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