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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
March 02 2011 22:51 GMT
#2201
On March 02 2011 18:49 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
Huk plz win this... the whole forum is supporting you...


Well thats not true.
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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 23:51:07
March 02 2011 22:55 GMT
#2202
On March 02 2011 19:24 TheMute wrote:
That zerg.... so bad.... Didn't even have to face against collossus/voidray.


Stalker Immoral Hts Archon is no walk in the park either dude.
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WickedBit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States343 Posts
March 02 2011 23:09 GMT
#2203
It seems that Huk plays very standard, usually 3 gate expand or forge expand. I haven't seen him do powerful all in builds against zerg/terran too much in a BO3/5. Huk's play and decision making are great late game but he seems to take a lot of risk early game for that. If Losira studies this he is at a danger of going out to a well executed roach rush in response to a fast expand.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 23:26:27
March 02 2011 23:12 GMT
#2204
Watching game 3 of huk vs revival I just.. I don't even know what to say. The zerg won the game and then refused to make anything other than roach/ling, probably overdroned and just let huk win it. What a ridiculous game haha, the zerg player was clearly better but I guess he just figured the game was over by the time huk had pretty much mined out his main/nat and was still stuck in that contain unable to get a third.

and now the ultra switch vs 24523 immortals omfg i cant take it

Judging from his play thus far, huk is gonna go down when he has to face another race or a zerg that doesn't completely suck. It's probably gonna be ugly.
beat farm
Profile Joined October 2010
United States478 Posts
March 02 2011 23:44 GMT
#2205
does the guy who wins code A get code S automatically because they get to take idra's place?
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
March 02 2011 23:50 GMT
#2206
On March 02 2011 23:23 Joseph123 wrote:
Huk vs Revival game 3 - best game I've seen after MC vs Rain on LT.

You must not watch very many games. The whole game was Huk turtling off 2 base, while Zerg got an amazing eco advantage. Just to throw it away on Hive Tech units. Had Zerg just got drops he could have ended game with a victory.



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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8625 Posts
March 02 2011 23:53 GMT
#2207
On March 03 2011 08:44 beat farm wrote:
does the guy who wins code A get code S automatically because they get to take idra's place?


Could definately be a possibility. But I wonder what will happen to the other Code S player that will be in his Up&Down Group. Seems a bit unfair if the winner of Code A just choose a team member from Code S + the Idra spot to make sure, they both will be in Code S next season...
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 23:54:24
March 02 2011 23:53 GMT
#2208
On March 02 2011 19:39 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 19:35 VoirDire wrote:
Huks lategame vs Z is so unbelievably good, maybe the best in the world right now. It's not that the Z was bad, it's that Huk plays so flawlessly and capitalizes on every single little mistake the Z makes that the Z just look terrible.

No the zerg was just really bad. Not denying third expansion. Not teching while he was ahead. And then even late game he had every opportunity to win. He did the only thing he shouldn't have in pumping ultras against zealots and immortals :s


It really was a combination of the two. Baller HT usage by huk allowed him to claw back into the game when he shouldn't have been able to, and revival's (stupid) decision to make dumb army compositions when he could afford ANYTHING, and to continue remaxing on purely ultralisks (why would you ever want an army of pure ultra, anyway? Let alone when the opponent is like 50% archon/immortal) multiple times combined with huk's pretty good army placement allowed huk to continue to claw his way to a win.

Simply put, if huk wasn't as good he'd never have won the engagements that BROUGHT the game to the point of "lol i guess ill just keep killing ultralisks to win"
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
March 02 2011 23:57 GMT
#2209
I predicted ganzi would lose His play against haypro was just bad. Huk fighting! (and winning code A hopefully)
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Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
March 02 2011 23:57 GMT
#2210
You guys act like Huk doesn't know what he's doing. Everyone plays on the ladder and he knows what works and doesn't. He shouldn't have won game 3 but give him some credit.. geez. These games some times come down to a couple mistakes... your opponent is gonna jump on that shiiii... Revival is going to remember that game... that's what losing is about

Huk fighting!
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
March 03 2011 00:04 GMT
#2211
Im inclined to believe that most other protosses in GSL and elsewhere would have crumbled to revival in that position. Sometimes people get outplayed to get themself into a bad spot. Thought he was not in control of that game, he took the situation he got himself into and then played perfectly from then on out. If anything, its a learning experience for him that alot of other players may never get to have. I would say HuK benefited more from that game 3 than anything else. Stuff like that builds character and helps you both stay out of that position in the future and also not freak out if something similar happens again.

One thing huks got going for him is that he seems to play better in situations with more pressure. Game 1 of the Ro32 he started off shakey and went behind, but then started playing crazy good for the rest of the day. Ro16 his best execution came when it needed to. If he could turn that into always being present he is capable of winning everything IMO. He plays world class about 50% of the time.. .if that number gets higher hes gonna win one.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8625 Posts
March 03 2011 00:05 GMT
#2212
On March 03 2011 07:39 monx wrote:
Unless HuK really plays better, i don't see him beating Losira.


Did you really think HuK is playing better than LosirA after watching the games today?

On March 03 2011 08:57 darmousseh wrote:
I predicted ganzi would lose His play against haypro was just bad. Huk fighting! (and winning code A hopefully)


Uhm no, GanZI played quite good against HayprO. He just has not that perfect unit control. But today he was like...another player was in his body and controlled him. His makro was way worse, that against HayprO and he did tons and tons of missmicro and -decisions. Kinda sad about that happened.


Btw. I'm really really impressed by Losira (his scouting and reads+reaction, wow) and Leenock. He shows that he has so much talent and game scence while being very creative. I want him so badly back in Code S.
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
March 03 2011 00:22 GMT
#2213
is it me or was seltzer taking a picture in the booth during huk's interview (towards the end)?
Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
March 03 2011 00:58 GMT
#2214
omg leenock... what a boss
SyN_FiR3
Profile Joined May 2010
United States85 Posts
March 03 2011 01:06 GMT
#2215
Alright, stop the hatin'.. HuK is a code G baller! Go HuK!!
"How 'bout changin' a line cause it don't make sense..."
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
March 03 2011 01:11 GMT
#2216
On March 02 2011 20:23 Liquid`HuK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 19:10 mrscheng wrote:
ok gg.... huk out

User was temp banned for this post.



^.^;;


Bwhaha. That was epic. Huk fiiighting!
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Uninstall
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada79 Posts
March 03 2011 01:43 GMT
#2217
Had total faith in Huk in game 3 because of this daily.
everyone
Profile Joined February 2011
United States91 Posts
March 03 2011 02:07 GMT
#2218
Congrats Huk, good luck in the up and down matches!
Highwayman
Profile Joined March 2010
United States181 Posts
March 03 2011 02:13 GMT
#2219
The negative comments about Huk not playing well are retarded. He went for greedy builds, made 1 mistake of moving out in game 1 and the Zerg capitalized perfectly. Gets all-in'd hard and defends very well to the point where he had like a 1% chance of losing after that in game 2. In game 3 I'm sure he'd be the first to admit his midgame plan was not well designed for Revival's double expand into heavy heavy roach on that map because he gave up a lot of map control, but his decision-making and execution after that point was incredible and he played it as well as anybody. He got a ton out of his force fields and immortals and handled the brood lords really patiently. Zerg's max is way weaker than Protoss's max so his defensive approach after letting Revival's econ get going with the 3rd base was really good. The only thing Revival could do was keep making brood lords, infestors, and roaches, but Huk was sniping the brood lords really well with stalkers and his infestors died pretty much instantly so you can't blame him that much for his decision to bring in ultras. Both players played really well but Huk is clearly the better player there. Losira is going to be a serious challenge but it's really no worse than 50/50 and I think it's pretty obvious that people are forgetting how weak Zerg is vs Protoss right now. It's also pretty obvious people are underestimating Huk vs code S players as well. The edges any of these players have over each other is really small and Huk is figuratively in the same league as any of the Code S Protoss players right now. It would be a completely different story if he was a Zerg player.
Gospadin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States84 Posts
March 03 2011 04:17 GMT
#2220
On March 03 2011 11:13 Highwayman wrote:
The negative comments about Huk not playing well are retarded. He went for greedy builds, made 1 mistake of moving out in game 1 and the Zerg capitalized perfectly. Gets all-in'd hard and defends very well to the point where he had like a 1% chance of losing after that in game 2. In game 3 I'm sure he'd be the first to admit his midgame plan was not well designed for Revival's double expand into heavy heavy roach on that map because he gave up a lot of map control, but his decision-making and execution after that point was incredible and he played it as well as anybody. He got a ton out of his force fields and immortals and handled the brood lords really patiently. Zerg's max is way weaker than Protoss's max so his defensive approach after letting Revival's econ get going with the 3rd base was really good. The only thing Revival could do was keep making brood lords, infestors, and roaches, but Huk was sniping the brood lords really well with stalkers and his infestors died pretty much instantly so you can't blame him that much for his decision to bring in ultras. Both players played really well but Huk is clearly the better player there. Losira is going to be a serious challenge but it's really no worse than 50/50 and I think it's pretty obvious that people are forgetting how weak Zerg is vs Protoss right now. It's also pretty obvious people are underestimating Huk vs code S players as well. The edges any of these players have over each other is really small and Huk is figuratively in the same league as any of the Code S Protoss players right now. It would be a completely different story if he was a Zerg player.


Huk's matches definitely could have gone the other way with just a few changes.

Had an observer been out a bit quicker in game 1, that initial roach push likely would have gotten stuck on the ramp and not been able to burrow at the expansion while reinforcements arrived. Huk cleans that out, FF's the ramp, and from there, the all-in fails and Huk dominates.

Had the roach rush in game 2 gone after the 2 exposed pylons then the forge, instead of the cannons (which were way back) then Huk would have been unable to make more cannons, as well as being able to warp in 1 less unit. Possible that Revival takes it right there.

In the third match, as Tasteelly said, Huk was under 400 minerals per patch. Zerg just had to hold the contain a bit longer, and the game was essentially done. Two or three times, Huk was long distance mining the 5:30 expansion with a zerg force nearby that could have wiped out all of his probes. Then, he had a spire up and TONS of gas, and Huk's mining expansions had no air protection... why not mix in some mutas or more brood lords or some voidrays to counter the immortals? The all ultra/roach/ling army got owned, and Revival let himself get down to 2 working bases, thus the instant gg when the hatch was killed.

Not that Huk played poorly, but both sides were somewhat sloppy today. I thought Huk seemed a lot more nervous than his Ro32 games.

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