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Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
February 05 2011 22:25 GMT
#801
Colossus Den. Oh my .
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
February 05 2011 22:25 GMT
#802
clutch obs allowing freaking NINE zealots into the main!! adel fighting!!
moose...indian
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 22:26:17
February 05 2011 22:25 GMT
#803
On February 06 2011 07:21 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:19 mordk wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:15 Azarkon wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:15 mordk wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
Way too passive play by ThorZain. There's a reason MMM is the standard in TvP. Fenix also uses the mech style (though he harasses a lot more) but TBH you just can't win a late-game battle against Toss using mech.


Ask jinro about this, I think his games against MC have a very different opinion.


MC went carriers and Jinro hit a timing. Despite what people think about MC, that was a major mess-up.


Jinro used more tanks, you CAN go mech against protoss, thorzain failed by making ONLY thors, tanks are a necessity. In that series, jinro also showed hoy 250mm cannons counter immortals while thors+tanks rape stalkers and zealots, more if you add blueflame hellions. That's the correct way to do it. Raven/thor cannot beat that, particularly when not harassing and pressuring early game, and not even scouting properly.


My point is that MC went carriers, and he lost because he went carriers. I don't think that game proves anything. Meanwhile, I've seen many games in which Terran goes mech and gets rolled by Protoss late-game, Fenix vs. Kiwi being the latest example from today.


Again, Fenix didn't have enough tanks in that game, and he attacked at the wrong timing. Plus, when MC went carriers in Scrap station he had already lost, and in LT he didn't and jinro rolled him anyways with the correct mix. You're missing the point, you said that mech can't win a late-game battle against protoss, but jinro has proven many times that you actually can pull it off with the correct unit mix and timings, fenix has also done it in other games successfully by mixing heavy harass with late game tech. Thorzain just did it wrong, and adel played it perfect.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 22:26:37
February 05 2011 22:26 GMT
#804
Surprised at the lack of upgrades for both players, a +1 would definitely have helped. Huge bio push coming from Thorzain, might be hard to hold it. Colossus out just in time but it'll be clutch.

Edit: It'll be gg*
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
February 05 2011 22:26 GMT
#805
A single sentry on the high ground would finish the game, still, great sniping by thorzain
EGM guides me
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
February 05 2011 22:26 GMT
#806
adel got owned =D
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
February 05 2011 22:27 GMT
#807
On February 06 2011 07:24 The KY wrote:
Adel evening up that harvester difference immediately.

Pity it took his entire army to do so though.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
February 05 2011 22:28 GMT
#808
3 P invites... so lets say 5 Z invites next week.
My bet:
Idra
Ret
Haypro
Nestee
Cezane
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
February 05 2011 22:28 GMT
#809
Oh man...if he had just sent those zealots into the mineral line instead of having them attacking supply depots and random stuff in the terran base.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 22:30:55
February 05 2011 22:28 GMT
#810
On February 06 2011 07:25 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:21 Azarkon wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:19 mordk wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:15 Azarkon wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:15 mordk wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
Way too passive play by ThorZain. There's a reason MMM is the standard in TvP. Fenix also uses the mech style (though he harasses a lot more) but TBH you just can't win a late-game battle against Toss using mech.


Ask jinro about this, I think his games against MC have a very different opinion.


MC went carriers and Jinro hit a timing. Despite what people think about MC, that was a major mess-up.


Jinro used more tanks, you CAN go mech against protoss, thorzain failed by making ONLY thors, tanks are a necessity. In that series, jinro also showed hoy 250mm cannons counter immortals while thors+tanks rape stalkers and zealots, more if you add blueflame hellions. That's the correct way to do it. Raven/thor cannot beat that, particularly when not harassing and pressuring early game, and not even scouting properly.


My point is that MC went carriers, and he lost because he went carriers. I don't think that game proves anything. Meanwhile, I've seen many games in which Terran goes mech and gets rolled by Protoss late-game, Fenix vs. Kiwi being the latest example from today.


Again, Fenix didn't have enough tanks in that game, and he attacked at the wrong timing. Plus, when MC went carriers in Scrap station he had already lost, and in LT he didn't and jinro rolled him anyways with the correct mix. You're missing the point, you said that mech can't win a late-game battle against protoss, but jinro has proven many times that you actually can pull it off with the correct unit mix and timings, fenix has also done it in other games successfully by mixing heavy harass with late game tech. Thorzain just did it wrong, and adel played it perfect.


You can't have enough tanks because you need to produce OTHER units from factories, not just tanks, or you will get rolled by an immortal push early on.

Anyways, the only games you can cite is Jinro vs. MC and MC clearly did not play in the typical turtle mech mode that I was talking about. In Fenix's games, even when he's ahead after the initial harass (as he was in the vs. Kiwi games), he gets rolled by Kiwi's composition. You can tell how frustrated Fenix was with those games as he looked upset and even called Protoss imba.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
February 05 2011 22:28 GMT
#811
On February 06 2011 07:27 Vimsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:24 The KY wrote:
Adel evening up that harvester difference immediately.

Pity it took his entire army to do so though.


I went to get a coffee...Adel lost that one? Bummer.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
February 05 2011 22:29 GMT
#812
On February 06 2011 07:26 Zozo wrote:
A single sentry on the high ground would finish the game, still, great sniping by thorzain


This is actually kinda scary true, he probably could have murdered most of the SCVs.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
February 05 2011 22:30 GMT
#813
On February 06 2011 07:28 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:27 Vimsey wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:24 The KY wrote:
Adel evening up that harvester difference immediately.

Pity it took his entire army to do so though.


I went to get a coffee...Adel lost that one? Bummer.

I hope it's decaf unless you do want to stay up all night.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
whiteguycash
Profile Joined April 2010
United States476 Posts
February 05 2011 22:30 GMT
#814
is this final Bo3, 5, or 7?
Golden Ghost
Profile Joined February 2003
Netherlands1041 Posts
February 05 2011 22:30 GMT
#815
5
Life is to give and take. You take a vacation and you give to the poor.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10342 Posts
February 05 2011 22:30 GMT
#816
Bo5.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
TL+ Member
Maaasta
Profile Joined April 2010
61 Posts
February 05 2011 22:30 GMT
#817
bo5
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
February 05 2011 22:30 GMT
#818
adelscott playing really good... glad to see he's keeping the slight innovation up (heavy zealot stalker instead of rushing to tech)
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
February 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#819
On February 06 2011 07:28 Frankon wrote:
3 P invites... so lets say 5 Z invites next week.
My bet:
Idra
Ret
Haypro
Nestee
Cezane


I'd replace Cez for Fruit, and haypro for yugioh(i love this guy>_>). It all depends who accepts the invites though.
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
February 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#820
I rage inside everytime day calls white-ra DuckLoad
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