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nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
February 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#781
Haha great mindgames.
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
February 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#782
On February 06 2011 07:13 .Aar wrote:
Thorzaine did no harass whatsoever ]:

Clearly outplayed.

Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:12 ParasitJonte wrote:
Just goes to show.

Nerf MMM and fix terran mech plz . I'm always happy when terrans try to mech TvP. But it's just... if countered on maps like xel naga, terrans just get rolled like that.


Did TZ even research Siege Mode?


Both siege tanks and thors are too slow to get a large enough numbers of. Thorzain probably thought adelscott would go mass immortal to counter mech and so wanted to insta-kill all immortals. but that was a wrong read on his part.

That said, hellions aren't durable and capable enough to defend siege tanks like vultures + spider mines were in brood war.

Still, we've seen a lot of terran mech play lately (from goody, jinro, beastyqt, thorzain, ...). I still think it's inferior to MMM with strong multitasking in drops and kiting. But a terran perspective would be refreshing :o.
Hello=)
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 22:18:36
February 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#783
On February 06 2011 07:15 Greekarmy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
Way too passive play by ThorZain. There's a reason MMM is the standard in TvP. Fenix also uses the mech style (though he harasses a lot more) but TBH you just can't win a late-game battle against Toss using mech.



You can certainly win a late-game with mech against Toss as Jinro showed! The problem is reaching late-game making only mech units is very vulnerable.


Harassment is a requirement if you're going mech. Blue Flame hellions out of 1 reactored factory w/ dropships or without are extremely effective. Even if he didn't harass with them, hellions eat up that many zealots if they are positioned properly.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
February 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#784
Adel is always chatting too much in game. He would have been banned by KeSPA so many times.
Hirnfrost
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany938 Posts
February 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#785
"i need money bro"

that is hilarious^^ i love that guy
After Mondays and Tuesdays even the Calender says W T F
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
February 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#786
10k viewers now ^_^
the farm ends here
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#787
On February 06 2011 07:17 CrystaX wrote:
Hey guys, first time following the tl open cup, will we get somewhere later on the replays??


yes, they'll be in the news post soon after the tourney's over
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
February 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#788
On February 06 2011 07:17 CrystaX wrote:
Hey guys, first time following the tl open cup, will we get somewhere later on the replays??


TL will post them up sometime after the final is finished ^^
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#789
On February 06 2011 07:17 CrystaX wrote:
Hey guys, first time following the tl open cup, will we get somewhere later on the replays??

Keep checking the Featured News and this thread.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
February 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#790
On February 06 2011 07:15 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:15 mordk wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
Way too passive play by ThorZain. There's a reason MMM is the standard in TvP. Fenix also uses the mech style (though he harasses a lot more) but TBH you just can't win a late-game battle against Toss using mech.


Ask jinro about this, I think his games against MC have a very different opinion.


MC went carriers and Jinro hit a timing. Despite what people think about MC, that was a major mess-up.


Jinro used more tanks, you CAN go mech against protoss, thorzain failed by making ONLY thors, tanks are a necessity. In that series, jinro also showed hoy 250mm cannons counter immortals while thors+tanks rape stalkers and zealots, more if you add blueflame hellions. That's the correct way to do it. Raven/thor cannot beat that, particularly when not harassing and pressuring early game, and not even scouting properly.
skycaptain
Profile Joined October 2010
United States101 Posts
February 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#791
"i need money bro"

Adelscott is my new hero.
CrystaX
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany32 Posts
February 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#792
On February 06 2011 07:19 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:17 CrystaX wrote:
Hey guys, first time following the tl open cup, will we get somewhere later on the replays??


yes, they'll be in the news post soon after the tourney's over


Thanx alot man
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#793
On February 06 2011 07:18 Roggay wrote:
Adel is always chatting too much in game. He would have been banned by KeSPA so many times.


Yes but if it was a rule that your not allowed to talk he wouldn't talk just like other pro's in BW who chatted in like all star games I think?
When I think of something else, something will go here
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
February 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#794
I'm a serious scottoss fan now
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
February 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#795
On February 06 2011 07:15 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
Way too passive play by ThorZain. There's a reason MMM is the standard in TvP. Fenix also uses the mech style (though he harasses a lot more) but TBH you just can't win a late-game battle against Toss using mech.


Ask jinro about this, I think his games against MC have a very different opinion.


You have to look at the actual games.

Game 1: MC tries to bust the fast expand but fails. Then takes his own. Jinro is way ahead. Also, it's close position on lost temple. Jinro can just slowpush and use his early advantage.

Game 2: MC fails with a 4 gate versus a banshee build. He loses some units and probes and gets a very delayed expansion while being way behind in tech. In the end, Jinro rolls him.
Hello=)
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
February 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#796
6 gate 2 base push mc style??
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
February 05 2011 22:21 GMT
#797
On February 06 2011 07:19 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 07:15 Azarkon wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:15 mordk wrote:
On February 06 2011 07:12 Azarkon wrote:
Way too passive play by ThorZain. There's a reason MMM is the standard in TvP. Fenix also uses the mech style (though he harasses a lot more) but TBH you just can't win a late-game battle against Toss using mech.


Ask jinro about this, I think his games against MC have a very different opinion.


MC went carriers and Jinro hit a timing. Despite what people think about MC, that was a major mess-up.


Jinro used more tanks, you CAN go mech against protoss, thorzain failed by making ONLY thors, tanks are a necessity. In that series, jinro also showed hoy 250mm cannons counter immortals while thors+tanks rape stalkers and zealots, more if you add blueflame hellions. That's the correct way to do it. Raven/thor cannot beat that, particularly when not harassing and pressuring early game, and not even scouting properly.


My point is that MC went carriers, and he lost because he went carriers. I don't think that game proves anything. Meanwhile, I've seen many games in which Terran goes mech and gets rolled by Protoss late-game, Fenix vs. Kiwi being the latest example from today.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
February 05 2011 22:23 GMT
#798
Meh, Thorzain going vikings -,- tt
ShallNoiseUpon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States311 Posts
February 05 2011 22:23 GMT
#799
Adelscott


The Sauron Toss
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
February 05 2011 22:24 GMT
#800
Adel evening up that harvester difference immediately.
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