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On February 22 2011 22:02 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
^Lol he said Idra participated and lost which he clearly didn't, added to which he was second at Cologne which is probably more deserving of a spot of some of the people who qualified by coming 3rd-4th in the Euro Quals at Kiev, especially considering both the 3rd and 4th place were AT Cologne and didn't make it as far as Idra...you seem more like the troll than syllogism tbh
He clearly did participate. It's like saying Artosis didn't participate either just because he also gave some defwin.
The fact is still there. There was an American qualifcation for this which Idra was registered to. If he decides GSL is more important to focus on that's his choice. You can't just suddenly count him as a Korean when they didn't have any chance to qualify at all while Idra had multiple to opportunities to do so by being American and also attending IEM Cologne.
On February 22 2011 22:26 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 21:54 Sorkoas wrote:On February 22 2011 21:45 syllogism wrote:
Newman sure is bitter about this. I assume now that you've been proven wrong, you have no issue with this. Stop trolling. Newman hasn't even replied since your last post. Plus he is right. Idra did participate in the qualifier. Doesn't matter if he didnt play all games. He posted this, among other things, on the ESL site Show nested quote +No you are wrong, he did compete in the US qualifiers. It's all there on the NationalESL page, that's a fact.
Disgraceful behaviour by the ESL, your reputation is slipping and sliding. Quite rude, especially coming from Dignitas team manager. Indeed, if he wasn't the dignitas team manager I'd assume it has something to do with idra's comments regarding Morrow. Regardless, it clearly has more to do with his animosity towards idra than any genuine objection towards the way the invitations were handed out.
If he's posting on the ESL site why do you reply to him here?
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mod edit: GSL spoilers inside
+ Show Spoiler +On February 22 2011 22:16 Bru wrote:Now that MVP is knocked out of the gsl why not try to get him over instead?  Would be totaly amazing
Someone please BAN HIM
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On February 22 2011 22:26 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 21:54 Sorkoas wrote:On February 22 2011 21:45 syllogism wrote:
Newman sure is bitter about this. I assume now that you've been proven wrong, you have no issue with this. Stop trolling. Newman hasn't even replied since your last post. Plus he is right. Idra did participate in the qualifier. Doesn't matter if he didnt play all games. He posted this, among other things, on the ESL site Show nested quote +No you are wrong, he did compete in the US qualifiers. It's all there on the NationalESL page, that's a fact.
Disgraceful behaviour by the ESL, your reputation is slipping and sliding. Quite rude, especially coming from Dignitas team manager. Indeed, if he wasn't the dignitas team manager I'd assume it has something to do with idra's comments regarding Morrow. Regardless, it clearly has more to do with his animosity towards idra than any genuine objection towards the way the invitations were handed out.
not the first time ive seen an organisation nitpicking and/or bashing another organisation then bringing up the cliched "good for esports" speech, when his own behaviour is way worse
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I am very hyped to follow mOOnGLaDe in this tournament! It's going to be alot of fun.. ^^ Love following these events, then watching some CS and QL in between SC2 matches, with Joe Miller the baller!!
Looking forward to this.. ^^
edit: typo
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On February 22 2011 22:56 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:02 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
^Lol he said Idra participated and lost which he clearly didn't, added to which he was second at Cologne which is probably more deserving of a spot of some of the people who qualified by coming 3rd-4th in the Euro Quals at Kiev, especially considering both the 3rd and 4th place were AT Cologne and didn't make it as far as Idra...you seem more like the troll than syllogism tbh He clearly did participate. It's like saying Artosis didn't participate either just because he also gave some defwin. The fact is still there. There was an American qualifcation for this which Idra was registered to. If he decides GSL is more important to focus on that's his choice. You can't just suddenly count him as a Korean when they didn't have any chance to qualify at all while Idra had multiple to opportunities to do so by being American and also attending IEM Cologne.
So I take it you still didn't read this
Actually, it is the other way round. [We told IdrA that he could not qualify in the US qualifier (the admins had unfortunately overseen that and allowed him in, at first), because he was not an American resident at the time, which is a condition for qualifying from there. Being resident of Korea makes him eligible only for Asian qualifiers.
And Global Challenges like gamescom have no influence on the continental championships, they are open for anyone. Lots of European CS teams played in Shanghai and later in Kiev.
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On February 22 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:So I take it you still didn't read this Show nested quote +Actually, it is the other way round. [We told IdrA that he could not qualify in the US qualifier (the admins had unfortunately overseen that and allowed him in, at first), because he was not an American resident at the time, which is a condition for qualifying from there. Being resident of Korea makes him eligible only for Asian qualifiers.
And Global Challenges like gamescom have no influence on the continental championships, they are open for anyone. Lots of European CS teams played in Shanghai and later in Kiev.
Helps if you post source you know.
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So Morrow vs Idra in the group stage then, that'll be fun.
You can do it Morrow!
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On February 22 2011 23:20 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:So I take it you still didn't read this Actually, it is the other way round. [We told IdrA that he could not qualify in the US qualifier (the admins had unfortunately overseen that and allowed him in, at first), because he was not an American resident at the time, which is a condition for qualifying from there. Being resident of Korea makes him eligible only for Asian qualifiers.
And Global Challenges like gamescom have no influence on the continental championships, they are open for anyone. Lots of European CS teams played in Shanghai and later in Kiev. Helps if you post source you know.
if you know there is conversation about this on esl site why not check it
(olololo)
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On February 22 2011 23:20 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:So I take it you still didn't read this Actually, it is the other way round. [We told IdrA that he could not qualify in the US qualifier (the admins had unfortunately overseen that and allowed him in, at first), because he was not an American resident at the time, which is a condition for qualifying from there. Being resident of Korea makes him eligible only for Asian qualifiers.
And Global Challenges like gamescom have no influence on the continental championships, they are open for anyone. Lots of European CS teams played in Shanghai and later in Kiev. Helps if you post source you know.
It was quoted on the previous page, as was the source (...According to Storch [Tournament director] at the ESL site), which made it trivial to find
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season5/hanover/news/150963/
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so idra moon squirtle ace are the asian invites...guess there will be no worries about scheduling conflicts right !
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On February 22 2011 22:58 aoe2fan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 22 2011 22:16 Bru wrote:Now that MVP is knocked out of the gsl why not try to get him over instead? Would be totaly amazing Someone please BAN HIM
Why quote it then and not put the GSL spoiler in a spoiler!
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On February 22 2011 22:56 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:02 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
^Lol he said Idra participated and lost which he clearly didn't, added to which he was second at Cologne which is probably more deserving of a spot of some of the people who qualified by coming 3rd-4th in the Euro Quals at Kiev, especially considering both the 3rd and 4th place were AT Cologne and didn't make it as far as Idra...you seem more like the troll than syllogism tbh He clearly did participate. It's like saying Artosis didn't participate either just because he also gave some defwin. The fact is still there. There was an American qualifcation for this which Idra was registered to. If he decides GSL is more important to focus on that's his choice. You can't just suddenly count him as a Korean when they didn't have any chance to qualify at all while Idra had multiple to opportunities to do so by being American and also attending IEM Cologne. Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:26 syllogism wrote:On February 22 2011 21:54 Sorkoas wrote:On February 22 2011 21:45 syllogism wrote:
Newman sure is bitter about this. I assume now that you've been proven wrong, you have no issue with this. Stop trolling. Newman hasn't even replied since your last post. Plus he is right. Idra did participate in the qualifier. Doesn't matter if he didnt play all games. He posted this, among other things, on the ESL site No you are wrong, he did compete in the US qualifiers. It's all there on the NationalESL page, that's a fact.
Disgraceful behaviour by the ESL, your reputation is slipping and sliding. Quite rude, especially coming from Dignitas team manager. Indeed, if he wasn't the dignitas team manager I'd assume it has something to do with idra's comments regarding Morrow. Regardless, it clearly has more to do with his animosity towards idra than any genuine objection towards the way the invitations were handed out. If he's posting on the ESL site why do you reply to him here?
Did you even read my own or any other posts correctly, or are you just too stubborn to get it through your thick head? Idra began participating but was then dissallowed to continue due to his residence in Korea IE HE DID NOT PARTICIPATE AND LOSE. True that means he obviously didn't win but no-one here said that, and all i stated was that as runner up at Cologne, which featured both Tarson and DeMuSliM and yet they get third-fourth respectively at a different event and thus gain entry, should mean he gets a shot. In conclusion i think Idra's invite is more than justified and anyone who doesn't like it, well then we must agree to disagree. Also in before "Idrafanboy" gets attached to me, i play protoss and don't particularly follow Idra much at all but it pisses me off when people refuse to follow simple logic because they have a dislike for someone who ironically enough they never have and never will meet.
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Not sure how to properly quote more than 1 post so I'll just try to respond to most of you in one post without quotes.
First of all as most of you seem to think I've got something against Idra, that is bullshit. Idra is a great player and if he was to finish a qualifier most likely would have qualified.
Second, Idra going to Hannover is GOOD for dignitas as we don't have to play vs him in our GCPL match vs EG this weekend
Hearing ESL's reason behind their decision I still feel they are kinda rationalizing now when being critized, it never really should have come to this point. Idra never should have signed up for the US qualifiers but he did and ESL admins should have stopped him. Both Idra and ESL are to blame.
Also, with Idra moving FROM Korea why is he eligable for the Korean invite? ;pPpP
The reason I was somewhat harsch in my statements was because I wanted a reaction from the ESL, didnt want this to just slip by everyone. ESL is a major force in esports and we should hold them to an extremely high standard, especially as they hold players and teams to a high standard. They have been doing a great job, being the pinnacle of western esports but lately I keep hearing bad things about their operations.
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Poland375 Posts
For those of you still confused by IdrA:
The Intel Extreme Masters at its core consists of the European Championship, Asian Championship*, American Championship (note: both Americas). On top of those three stands the World Championship.
Your standard way of qualifying for the IEM World Championship is via your Continental Championship - you need to finish top 2 (America), top 4 (Europe), top 5 (Asia).**
Global Challenges are invitational best-of-the-best "addon" events - only the winner gets a slot.
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It was actually partially our error that Greg played in the American Championship in the first place. The IEM eligibility rule changed in between season four and the current fifth season (now it's only decided by where you live, not by your passport). Around the start of the season we had new partners come in to run ESL in North America and with us having to start an American Championship sooner than planned, Greg kinda fell through the cracks.
I hope this puts an end to what I find a moot discussion.
+ Show Spoiler +*note: replaced by a Souteast Asian qualifier and Korean invites this season)
**note: based on the IEM continental ranking + arbitrary judgment of the continent's strength based on known results (in the case of a new game)
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Poland375 Posts
On February 23 2011 00:47 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
Also, with Idra moving FROM Korea why is he eligable for the Korean invite? ;pPpP
Because he has lived in Korea for the past few years and actually at the time of the invitation (2 weeks ago) he still was residing in Korea.
The reason I was somewhat harsch in my statements was because I wanted a reaction from the ESL, didnt want this to just slip by everyone.
It's enough to send me a PM if you have doubts. No use trying to cause a stir just to get noticed.
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On February 23 2011 00:52 Carmac wrote:
Because he has lived in Korea for the past few years and actually at the time of the invitation (2 weeks ago) he still was residing in Korea.
It's enough to send me a PM if you have doubts. No use trying to cause a stir just to get noticed.
Yeah just wanted to do a joke on the nitpicking I was accused of earlier 
Transparency for teh win, it's great that you come here to explain why you did what you did. Next time I might send a PM instead, we'll see
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On February 23 2011 00:02 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 22:56 Sorkoas wrote:On February 22 2011 22:02 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
^Lol he said Idra participated and lost which he clearly didn't, added to which he was second at Cologne which is probably more deserving of a spot of some of the people who qualified by coming 3rd-4th in the Euro Quals at Kiev, especially considering both the 3rd and 4th place were AT Cologne and didn't make it as far as Idra...you seem more like the troll than syllogism tbh He clearly did participate. It's like saying Artosis didn't participate either just because he also gave some defwin. The fact is still there. There was an American qualifcation for this which Idra was registered to. If he decides GSL is more important to focus on that's his choice. You can't just suddenly count him as a Korean when they didn't have any chance to qualify at all while Idra had multiple to opportunities to do so by being American and also attending IEM Cologne. On February 22 2011 22:26 syllogism wrote:On February 22 2011 21:54 Sorkoas wrote:On February 22 2011 21:45 syllogism wrote:
Newman sure is bitter about this. I assume now that you've been proven wrong, you have no issue with this. Stop trolling. Newman hasn't even replied since your last post. Plus he is right. Idra did participate in the qualifier. Doesn't matter if he didnt play all games. He posted this, among other things, on the ESL site No you are wrong, he did compete in the US qualifiers. It's all there on the NationalESL page, that's a fact.
Disgraceful behaviour by the ESL, your reputation is slipping and sliding. Quite rude, especially coming from Dignitas team manager. Indeed, if he wasn't the dignitas team manager I'd assume it has something to do with idra's comments regarding Morrow. Regardless, it clearly has more to do with his animosity towards idra than any genuine objection towards the way the invitations were handed out. If he's posting on the ESL site why do you reply to him here? Did you even read my own or any other posts correctly, or are you just too stubborn to get it through your thick head? Idra began participating but was then dissallowed to continue due to his residence in Korea IE HE DID NOT PARTICIPATE AND LOSE. True that means he obviously didn't win but no-one here said that, and all i stated was that as runner up at Cologne, which featured both Tarson and DeMuSliM and yet they get third-fourth respectively at a different event and thus gain entry, should mean he gets a shot. In conclusion i think Idra's invite is more than justified and anyone who doesn't like it, well then we must agree to disagree. Also in before "Idrafanboy" gets attached to me, i play protoss and don't particularly follow Idra much at all but it pisses me off when people refuse to follow simple logic because they have a dislike for someone who ironically enough they never have and never will meet.
Yeah I miss reading a quote because I thought I had read all comments in the thread and didn't see that something else was quoted so that makes me thick headed and suddenly you get the right to insult me.
Well at least you got something to back up your silly opinions about Idra deserving this spot with a story that none of us actually knew about. Good for you.
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i hope MorroW switches to Terran just before their games and goes mass reaper ^^
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Poland375 Posts
On February 23 2011 02:27 Influ wrote:http://www.esl.eu/eu/tv_offer/Is there a difference between premium member and suscriber? I have no idea wether I have to pay or not.
If you already have Premium you're all set!
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