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On January 24 2011 09:28 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 08:42 Deckkie wrote:On January 24 2011 08:39 W2 wrote:
i am sad to see only 13k viewers. Come on, sc2 finals should have a bigger audience than that.. cs had over 30k!! aahh well, GSL games have an avarege of 100k vieuws Also, unlike CS where all the best teams like sk mtw fnatic na'vi are competing there and everyone around the world will be watching, SC had the top europeans, and many people tend to back either their country or their race. No zergs = lot of lost viewers, and many NA's probably didn't bother watching either. Lets just wait til IEM Worlds, that should be epic. Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 08:49 Hemula wrote:![[image loading]](http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1509/hendalfdemus.jpg) I'm sad White-Ra lost. =( . Here some henduslims for ya. Lol best job so far "I was wise beyond my years when I was 20, now that I'm 21 I'm like Gandalf or something"
Good points Zlasher. I also think it had a lot to do with the delays of the SC final (like almost 2 hours?) Like someone pointed out, the viewers peaked during the time slot it should have been on. It also didn't help that it got too late for some of the people watching it and they went to sleep because of the delay.
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On January 24 2011 09:45 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 08:57 Huragius wrote:On January 24 2011 08:54 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm, interesting finals. i don't think anyone can really argue though that both Sjow and White ra are the top foriegnors for there races. (Jinro doesn't count) with Demuslim and a few others right beneath them If only Jinro doesn't count: Protoss: Huk Terran: Select (But Sjow is close to him. Althou some people don't count Select as foreigner so I would go with Sjow then). No, Im sorry. the TL HuK bias is way out of control. HuK hasn't put up any significant results as of late and was never dominating that many tournaments to begin with. White-ra has been extremely consistent and constantly in the top 4 of major tournaments. Players like Naniwas, Mana, and Kiwi have all shown better results than HuK As for Select, idk, Sjow just knocked him out of another tournament, and again, Select hasn't put up major results as of late. I'd even put Kas above Select at this point
Maybe I was wrong about Select, but definitely not about HuK. He is dominating top koreans in ladder, such as ImNestea and JunwiPrime in quite one sided games (at least the ones I saw in gosugamers.net: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41835, http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41836) and his ladder stats are really impressive. I'm talking about the best foreigner Protoss player, not the most accomplished protoss foreigner player. And I think we will see HuK in action pretty soon. Also, if he went back to NA, I think he would take a lot more tournaments than WhiteRa did in these last months, over the same period of time.
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On January 24 2011 09:57 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 09:45 1Eris1 wrote:On January 24 2011 08:57 Huragius wrote:On January 24 2011 08:54 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm, interesting finals. i don't think anyone can really argue though that both Sjow and White ra are the top foriegnors for there races. (Jinro doesn't count) with Demuslim and a few others right beneath them If only Jinro doesn't count: Protoss: Huk Terran: Select (But Sjow is close to him. Althou some people don't count Select as foreigner so I would go with Sjow then). No, Im sorry. the TL HuK bias is way out of control. HuK hasn't put up any significant results as of late and was never dominating that many tournaments to begin with. White-ra has been extremely consistent and constantly in the top 4 of major tournaments. Players like Naniwas, Mana, and Kiwi have all shown better results than HuK As for Select, idk, Sjow just knocked him out of another tournament, and again, Select hasn't put up major results as of late. I'd even put Kas above Select at this point Maybe I was wrong about Select, but definitely not about HuK. He is dominating top koreans in ladder, such as ImNestea and JunwiPrime in quite one sided games (at least the ones I saw in gosugamers.net: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41835, http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41836) and his ladder stats are really impressive. I'm talking about the best foreigner Protoss player, not the most accomplished protoss foreigner player. And I think we will see HuK in action pretty soon. Also, if he went back to NA, I think he would take a lot more tournaments than WhiteRa did in these last months, over the same period of time.
And White-ra has been dominating the Euro ladder etc etc same with other protoss. Most of the foriegnors we see go over to Korea do just fine on the ladder but then have little sucess when it comes to tournaments.
Ladder is a very hard and not a good way to measure skill. At this point, accomplishments> random ladder strats
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On January 24 2011 10:02 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 09:57 Huragius wrote:On January 24 2011 09:45 1Eris1 wrote:On January 24 2011 08:57 Huragius wrote:On January 24 2011 08:54 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm, interesting finals. i don't think anyone can really argue though that both Sjow and White ra are the top foriegnors for there races. (Jinro doesn't count) with Demuslim and a few others right beneath them If only Jinro doesn't count: Protoss: Huk Terran: Select (But Sjow is close to him. Althou some people don't count Select as foreigner so I would go with Sjow then). No, Im sorry. the TL HuK bias is way out of control. HuK hasn't put up any significant results as of late and was never dominating that many tournaments to begin with. White-ra has been extremely consistent and constantly in the top 4 of major tournaments. Players like Naniwas, Mana, and Kiwi have all shown better results than HuK As for Select, idk, Sjow just knocked him out of another tournament, and again, Select hasn't put up major results as of late. I'd even put Kas above Select at this point Maybe I was wrong about Select, but definitely not about HuK. He is dominating top koreans in ladder, such as ImNestea and JunwiPrime in quite one sided games (at least the ones I saw in gosugamers.net: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41835, http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41836) and his ladder stats are really impressive. I'm talking about the best foreigner Protoss player, not the most accomplished protoss foreigner player. And I think we will see HuK in action pretty soon. Also, if he went back to NA, I think he would take a lot more tournaments than WhiteRa did in these last months, over the same period of time. And White-ra has been dominating the Euro ladder etc etc same with other protoss. Most of the foriegnors we see go over to Korea do just fine on the ladder but then have little sucess when it comes to tournaments. Ladder is a very hard and not a good way to measure skill. At this point, accomplishments> random ladder strats
I think the point he was making was that other than Dreamhack, Huk has not joined/been in any tournaments since he is in Korea practicing. He has also improved tremendously since he went overthere, so to say that he hasn't accomplished anything in a tournament lately is true, but has little implication on his skill as of late.
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On January 24 2011 09:57 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 09:45 1Eris1 wrote:On January 24 2011 08:57 Huragius wrote:On January 24 2011 08:54 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm, interesting finals. i don't think anyone can really argue though that both Sjow and White ra are the top foriegnors for there races. (Jinro doesn't count) with Demuslim and a few others right beneath them If only Jinro doesn't count: Protoss: Huk Terran: Select (But Sjow is close to him. Althou some people don't count Select as foreigner so I would go with Sjow then). No, Im sorry. the TL HuK bias is way out of control. HuK hasn't put up any significant results as of late and was never dominating that many tournaments to begin with. White-ra has been extremely consistent and constantly in the top 4 of major tournaments. Players like Naniwas, Mana, and Kiwi have all shown better results than HuK As for Select, idk, Sjow just knocked him out of another tournament, and again, Select hasn't put up major results as of late. I'd even put Kas above Select at this point Maybe I was wrong about Select, but definitely not about HuK. He is dominating top koreans in ladder, such as ImNestea and JunwiPrime in quite one sided games (at least the ones I saw in gosugamers.net: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41835, http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41836) and his ladder stats are really impressive. I'm talking about the best foreigner Protoss player, not the most accomplished protoss foreigner player. And I think we will see HuK in action pretty soon. Also, if he went back to NA, I think he would take a lot more tournaments than WhiteRa did in these last months, over the same period of time.
Not sure how you'd be able to make an assessment like that without looking at tourny results, but I dont really care either; they're both freaking awesome players.
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On topic: Will there be a replay pack from IEM?
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full replays pack : ftp://ftp.jeux-strategie.com/StarCraft2/replays/IEM-Kiev-2011.zip
But there are 4 matchs from the group stage missing, cos the replays are not on the ESL sorry !
The games missing from the pack are :
playday 2 : sarens vs goody 0:2
playday 2 : naama vs tarson 1:2
playday 3 : kas vs merz 2;0
playday 4 : goody vs cloud 2:1
So 10 replays are missing from the event.
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Was trying to gather the few missing replays today but the PCs were wiped clean already so I fear some of the replays are lost. Most matches should have all replays uploaded though.
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On January 24 2011 10:42 Shawngood wrote:
Was trying to gather the few missing replays today but the PCs were wiped clean already so I fear some of the replays are lost. Most matches should have all replays uploaded though.
No worries, thanks so much for uploading almost all the replays so promptly, I really enjoyed it, gratz on the great tournament :D
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On January 24 2011 07:11 frd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 07:08 ziggymondais wrote:
A lot of talk about Cooler's background in quake, anyone able to link me to something about his background? The quotes. You must know the quotes. edit: also, I can't remember, was it Cooller or Toxic (or a mysterious third) who once wrote "my soundcard must be broken, I keep hearing 'impressive' in my headphones"?
It was Cyrus "Prozac" Malekani who said that. He was actually at my place before Quakecon training for it.
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Well i done some coverage of the event if anyones interested in that sort of thing all on the front page of http://www.team-dignitas.net/ i done loads already photos 2
Sorry if it seems kinda pulp fiction styley all very rushed im in the middle of rendering SjoW vs Tarson
will do a high light of the finals with interview and mers and tarson talk give some insight in the finals will be up as soon as i can edit it when i get home
please let me know what you think and stuff ! feedback is always good
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Someone can explain to me the meaning of the Tarson's shirt, "No:5 Istanbul" ?
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In an interview I was surprised to hear Sjow say he would not go to korea and try to make GSL at all.
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On January 24 2011 10:02 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 09:57 Huragius wrote:On January 24 2011 09:45 1Eris1 wrote:On January 24 2011 08:57 Huragius wrote:On January 24 2011 08:54 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm, interesting finals. i don't think anyone can really argue though that both Sjow and White ra are the top foriegnors for there races. (Jinro doesn't count) with Demuslim and a few others right beneath them If only Jinro doesn't count: Protoss: Huk Terran: Select (But Sjow is close to him. Althou some people don't count Select as foreigner so I would go with Sjow then). No, Im sorry. the TL HuK bias is way out of control. HuK hasn't put up any significant results as of late and was never dominating that many tournaments to begin with. White-ra has been extremely consistent and constantly in the top 4 of major tournaments. Players like Naniwas, Mana, and Kiwi have all shown better results than HuK As for Select, idk, Sjow just knocked him out of another tournament, and again, Select hasn't put up major results as of late. I'd even put Kas above Select at this point Maybe I was wrong about Select, but definitely not about HuK. He is dominating top koreans in ladder, such as ImNestea and JunwiPrime in quite one sided games (at least the ones I saw in gosugamers.net: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41835, http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/41836) and his ladder stats are really impressive. I'm talking about the best foreigner Protoss player, not the most accomplished protoss foreigner player. And I think we will see HuK in action pretty soon. Also, if he went back to NA, I think he would take a lot more tournaments than WhiteRa did in these last months, over the same period of time. And White-ra has been dominating the Euro ladder etc etc same with other protoss. Most of the foriegnors we see go over to Korea do just fine on the ladder but then have little sucess when it comes to tournaments. Ladder is a very hard and not a good way to measure skill. At this point, accomplishments> random ladder strats
Pretty sure nobody except huk has made it into the top 5 of the korean ladder with TWO ACCOUNTS AT THE SAME TIME.
It doesnt really matter tho, when he finally gets a chance to play another tournament (GSL Code A, MLG etc) you will see how good he is, until then its fair enough if you want to put someone else as the best protoss.
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Huk, DuckloadRa, Socke and recently Naniwa and Mana are top out of Korea for me tbh. Who is best from best? I think every week its diffrent but recently 8,200$ in pocket of DuckloadRa made him nr.1 with no doubt. HuK is very strong agreed, its just shame he cant deliver when time is right.
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On January 24 2011 10:32 SeR3NiTy wrote:full replays pack : ftp://ftp.jeux-strategie.com/StarCraft2/replays/IEM-Kiev-2011.zipBut there are 4 matchs from the group stage missing, cos the replays are not on the ESL sorry ! The games missing from the pack are : playday 2 : sarens vs goody 0:2 playday 2 : naama vs tarson 1:2 playday 3 : kas vs merz 2;0 playday 4 : goody vs cloud 2:1 So 10 replays are missing from the event.
thank you much!!
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is cologne the only global challange this season?
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Anywhere i can watch the finals? (commentated not replays)
Thanks.
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The VoDs should be up in some days I think, on the ESL-site. That's what I heard yesterday.
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