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Maps and Rules Map pool is Shakuras Plateau, Metalopolis, Xel'Naga Caverns, Lost Temple, and Scrap Station. Please note that Blistering Sands, Desert Oasis, Jungle Basin, Delta Quadrant, Steppes of War, and Kulas Ravine are removed from the map pool. Detailed rules will be released when registration opens.
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i think my thing bugged out, i was waiting to check in but it just kept bringing me to the register page and telling me i was already registered =-( oh well
his flag is netherlands! OMG and hes plays toss! This is sooooo awesome. I'm sad that TLO isn't playing , but grubby is my favorite progamer of all time! OMG GO GRUBBY!!!!!!!
This probably concerns future TL Opens more than the current one, but what about cases where your opponent's character info is not correct? Seems like it would give them an unfair advantage over you, since they could look through your match history and take the full 10 minutes to get a better idea of how you play, and meanwhile you are sitting there gaining 0 info.
On January 23 2011 03:16 Marradron wrote: I love watching TL opens. So many streams ATM watching ICCUP tv. Gonna check who ragequit is covering i think. Who are you guys following ?
ragequit have been following a couple of tlo games, will carry on if he doesn't have to wait for an opponent ^^
On January 23 2011 03:17 Amestir wrote: Any word on Grubby yet?
On January 23 2011 03:02 Redmark wrote: lol at "skinnyowllegs" from Sweden Do people regularly make gimmick accounts like that?
He beat me on Shakuras... this is the third TSL qualifier in a row that I lost on shakuras :/ stupid baneling bust. But he told me he was on same team as Naniwa
On January 23 2011 03:02 Redmark wrote: lol at "skinnyowllegs" from Sweden Do people regularly make gimmick accounts like that?
He beat me on Shakuras... this is the third TSL qualifier in a row that I lost on shakuras :/ stupid baneling bust. But he told me he was on same team as Naniwa
god fucking damnit i missed another tour because i thought it was on the 23rd, why does tl insist on using KST time when no ones korean on this site? is it really that hard to post the cet/est times when ur making ur newspost?
cool for them but both me and select thought it was on the 23rd, the blames on our part but still.. it could have been avoided if the time were posted in cet/est aswell
On January 23 2011 03:59 TT1 wrote: cool for them but both me and select thought it was on the 23rd, the blames on our part but still.. it could have been avoided if the time were posted in cet/est aswell
On January 23 2011 03:59 TT1 wrote: cool for them but both me and select thought it was on the 23rd, the blames on our part but still.. it could have been avoided if the time were posted in cet/est aswell
On January 23 2011 03:59 TT1 wrote: cool for them but both me and select thought it was on the 23rd, the blames on our part but still.. it could have been avoided if the time were posted in cet/est aswell
On January 23 2011 03:59 TT1 wrote: cool for them but both me and select thought it was on the 23rd, the blames on our part but still.. it could have been avoided if the time were posted in cet/est aswell
Is it possible to write a new bracket after the first 5 rounds or so? So that it isn't so much scrolling when we are going to the later stages of the tournament. I find it very uncomfortable to see who plays who in say the ro 16 or ro 8.
On January 23 2011 04:22 luckybeni2 wrote: Is it possible to write a new bracket after the first 5 rounds or so? So that it isn't so much scrolling when we are going to the later stages of the tournament. I find it very uncomfortable to see who plays who in say the ro 16 or ro 8.
Just click on RX-RoXX (BoX) and the brackets are showing only from the the XX round. F.e if you click R5-Ro64 (Bo3) it will show a bracket from this point to the finals.
On January 23 2011 04:22 luckybeni2 wrote: Is it possible to write a new bracket after the first 5 rounds or so? So that it isn't so much scrolling when we are going to the later stages of the tournament. I find it very uncomfortable to see who plays who in say the ro 16 or ro 8.
On January 23 2011 04:27 Nachor wrote: You can click on the individual rounds on the top of the bracket to make the bracket show only the later rounds.
On January 23 2011 04:22 luckybeni2 wrote: Is it possible to write a new bracket after the first 5 rounds or so? So that it isn't so much scrolling when we are going to the later stages of the tournament. I find it very uncomfortable to see who plays who in say the ro 16 or ro 8.
On January 23 2011 04:22 luckybeni2 wrote: Is it possible to write a new bracket after the first 5 rounds or so? So that it isn't so much scrolling when we are going to the later stages of the tournament. I find it very uncomfortable to see who plays who in say the ro 16 or ro 8.
Use the collapse spacing feature
Holy Bejesus, you're my hero. I try to watch these opens every time and I've never noticed that before! I was just about to write a similar post asking for a smaller bracket.
But hell, the first two games were so strange. In the first game, Mana just builds nothing and loses to 4 Gate. The second game was kind of sloppy from both players. I don't know Doro but I expect a higher tier of play from Mana.
On January 23 2011 04:22 luckybeni2 wrote: Is it possible to write a new bracket after the first 5 rounds or so? So that it isn't so much scrolling when we are going to the later stages of the tournament. I find it very uncomfortable to see who plays who in say the ro 16 or ro 8.
Use the collapse spacing feature
Holy Bejesus, you're my hero. I try to watch these opens every time and I've never noticed that before! I was just about to write a similar post asking for a smaller bracket.
jesus, im watching Lalush vs pokebunny right now. Lalush is such a baby with all his BM lol. Crying the whole first 5 minutes of game 2. shit like this shudnt be tolerated in TLOpens. I'm embarassed for him ... O_O
On January 23 2011 04:49 Tachion wrote: sick comeback from TLO. He looked rather far behind after doing very minimal damage with his scv's + marines early on.
Dunno why Lowely didn't baneling his mineral line in that game instead of trying to plow through the bunkers. Was a bit of an underwhelming series, though I guess TLO moves on ^^ (Lowely's ling control was nice)
On January 23 2011 04:51 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: jesus, im watching Lalush vs pokebunny right now. Lalush is such a baby with all his BM lol. Crying the whole first 5 minutes of game 2. shit like this shudnt be tolerated in TLOpens. I'm embarassed for him ... O_O
I swear I've never watched a Lalush series where he doesn't bm if he's losing.
On January 23 2011 04:55 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: honestly its 10 minutes in and hes still going. So retarded. Millenium is being horribly represented by him.
On which stream ;d? VTGaming's? laggy >_< lol now it's black screen and random unit responses
On January 23 2011 04:22 luckybeni2 wrote: Is it possible to write a new bracket after the first 5 rounds or so? So that it isn't so much scrolling when we are going to the later stages of the tournament. I find it very uncomfortable to see who plays who in say the ro 16 or ro 8.
Maps and Rules Map pool is Shakuras Plateau, Metalopolis, Xel'Naga Caverns, Lost Temple, and Scrap Station. Please note that Blistering Sands, Desert Oasis, Jungle Basin, Delta Quadrant, Steppes of War, and Kulas Ravine are removed from the map pool. Detailed rules will be released when registration opens.
Why is Tyler's stream showing someone playing on DQ?
On January 23 2011 05:28 Odoakar wrote: Maps and Rules Map pool is Shakuras Plateau, Metalopolis, Xel'Naga Caverns, Lost Temple, and Scrap Station. Please note that Blistering Sands, Desert Oasis, Jungle Basin, Delta Quadrant, Steppes of War, and Kulas Ravine are removed from the map pool. Detailed rules will be released when registration opens.
Why is Tyler's stream showing someone playing on DQ?
On January 23 2011 05:28 Odoakar wrote: Maps and Rules Map pool is Shakuras Plateau, Metalopolis, Xel'Naga Caverns, Lost Temple, and Scrap Station. Please note that Blistering Sands, Desert Oasis, Jungle Basin, Delta Quadrant, Steppes of War, and Kulas Ravine are removed from the map pool. Detailed rules will be released when registration opens.
Why is Tyler's stream showing someone playing on DQ?
Seen games on both Steppes and DQ lol
Yeah same, what's with that? :/ I really dislike these maps.
[21:32] <andytb> players need to call out a wrong map before the next round [21:32] <andytb> else result stands [21:33] <andytb> not even [21:33] <andytb> It is the player's responsibility to check the map pool. If a player protests an incorrect map after
but it is bad to see this maps played, because the games are all bad ^^
hmm seems like hasuobs had to say something prior to the match. Not like it really mattered, if anything the map was favoring the P player as he was abusing colo on the cliff O_O!
On January 23 2011 05:40 FreeUrMind wrote: Admin entered the game and said all casters need to leave. Games from Ro16 will be casted from replays when the games are over
Go Kawairice \o/ I guess he should be tired, he was streaming some custom dota-like games this morning (morning in Europe, it's now 22h, he was playing at 9 already :o)
On January 23 2011 05:40 FreeUrMind wrote: Admin entered the game and said all casters need to leave. Games from Ro16 will be casted from replays when the games are over
Are they worried about cheating? Or lag?
Cheating. TLopen final rounds are always casted from replays so the results can't be doubted. But the replays are casted "live" just after game finish so it doesn't change anything for us, mere viewers.
Well, on the one hand I can understand that they fear cheating. On the other hand, eSports can only become bigger with allowing viewers in. There must be a clear direction what they want SC2 to be.
On January 23 2011 05:33 FliedLice wrote: noooooooooooo hasuobs ((
he lost on DQ which isn´t even in the mappool .... what the hell? i would demand a regame because dq sucks...
would've been ok if he immediatly objected i guess... but doing it after he lost would be kinda stupid
the players should inform themselves about the tournament rules and the mappol beforehand :|
but still: noooooooooooooooooooo (
On January 23 2011 05:47 Dexx wrote: Well, on the one hand I can understand that they fear cheating. On the other hand, eSports can only become bigger with allowing viewers in. There must be a clear direction what they want SC2 to be.
they actually do cast the games off replays afterwards before announcing the results, at least from the semi finals onwards i think...
On January 23 2011 05:47 Dexx wrote: Well, on the one hand I can understand that they fear cheating. On the other hand, eSports can only become bigger with allowing viewers in. There must be a clear direction what they want SC2 to be.
Legitimacy should be first and foremost and I applaud TL for the continued stance on the matter. When people find a way for casters to not lag and cast live w/ enough of a delay to avoid any cheating then I imagine it would be implemented. Until that time avoiding possible cheating is more important.
On January 23 2011 05:47 Dexx wrote: Well, on the one hand I can understand that they fear cheating. On the other hand, eSports can only become bigger with allowing viewers in. There must be a clear direction what they want SC2 to be.
But it doesn't change anything for us, we get to see the game, just 15-20mn after. Most people didn't knew that that was casted from replay and didn't even noticed it, there is no difference.
My predictions are: TLO will lose coz he's always playing to have fun. Very nice to watch, but you can barely win tournaments with random races and fun play. I like him, but that's about it.
On January 23 2011 05:51 p0werf00L wrote: My predictions are: TLO will lose coz he's always playing to have fun. Very nice to watch, but you can barely win tournaments with random races and fun play. I like him, but that's about it.
Well we know he's a beast terran, and he just got T his 1st match.
On January 23 2011 05:51 luckybeni2 wrote: I just realized the upper side of the bracket is pretty stacked while the lower should be pretty straightup.
Yeah, Kiwi should pwn lower side, but the upper is hard, poor Kawai and Fenix will fight each other next round...In fact Fenix is vs Darkforce so he could lose, I love Kawai vZ so I'll root for darkforce =)
On January 23 2011 05:51 p0werf00L wrote: My predictions are: TLO will lose coz he's always playing to have fun. Very nice to watch, but you can barely win tournaments with random races and fun play. I like him, but that's about it.
On January 23 2011 05:51 p0werf00L wrote: My predictions are: TLO will lose coz he's always playing to have fun. Very nice to watch, but you can barely win tournaments with random races and fun play. I like him, but that's about it.
TLO wins Game 2 with Protoss and a Chargelot 1 Phoenix into HT into Colossus mix.
On January 23 2011 05:51 p0werf00L wrote: My predictions are: TLO will lose coz he's always playing to have fun. Very nice to watch, but you can barely win tournaments with random races and fun play. I like him, but that's about it.
TLO wins Game 2 with Protoss and a Chargelot 1 Phoenix into HT into Colossus mix.
Weird build, but man I think that probably confused dde. And that gateway hiding at first. I can't tell, but that probably set dde off his play for a little while. As the caster realized, he didn't hotkey his barracks.
On January 23 2011 05:51 p0werf00L wrote: My predictions are: TLO will lose coz he's always playing to have fun. Very nice to watch, but you can barely win tournaments with random races and fun play. I like him, but that's about it.
TLO wins Game 2 with Protoss and a Chargelot 1 Phoenix into HT into Colossus mix.
Weird build, but man I think that probably confused dde. And that gateway hiding at first. I can't tell, but that probably set dde off his play for a little while. As the caster realized, he didn't hotkey his barracks.
dde never hotkeys his production buildings, he plays like he did in BW.
On January 23 2011 06:21 travis wrote: ciara gonna have a big point lead now
who the hell is ciara anyways?
ciara is a fomer warcraft player. Never won anything big, but quite well known. He played in EG alongside with Happy and Grubby. He hasnt rly won anything in sc2 either so far.
Its awesome that TLO is back to playing random, his knowledge of all three races is amazing and he shows build orders that no one has ever even thought of i hope to see him in the finals.
Waoh, thank you for putting up a low-quality stream. My uni-network too often hates U-stream. This is the first times this is actually working. Great job at the other casters so far as well. Very entertaining commentaries and games.
On January 23 2011 08:21 mappiechampion wrote: Hmm, how did players like Cruncher and Stephano make it this far? I doubt that the winner of that semi can beat the winner of the second semi.
Cruncher is a VERY strong Protoss player, don't count him out.
Its really interesting to see CrunCher doing good. He's ofc an ex-Wc3 player and I've watched his stream abit and I do believe he's easily on par with Axslav if not better with his protoss play.
On January 23 2011 08:31 ParasitJonte wrote: Stephano is amazing........................................
Seriously, he's a soooo much better player it's insane. I pray he wins.
Yes I hope so too. What really amazes me is how good the zerg player has to play just to hold off a cannon rush 4 gate DT rush. The skill difference between performing both just screams imbalance to me.
Nice defense by stephano. He definitely deserves the win. WTF was up with the nat block by cruncher? They are f.cking warp gates so why place them there? You now z has an overload spotting for expo timing.
That game was so amazing and funny. Brilliant. I can't believe some of you are hating on these guys. They're providing us with way more entertaining games than you'd see in GSL.
Cruncher just never pulls back. In the first game it worked for him (even though I think he should have expanded after seeing ~5 spines) in the second one he could have expanded NO PROBLEMS and then his all in could have been stronger. You know, 6 gates instead of 4 gates robo council dt...
I usually root for Protoss vs Zerg (I'm terran), but this time I'm definitely rooting for Stephano. If this was the GSL we wouldn't hear the end of that amount of cheese from Cruncher. The only way he could be more all in was if he brought all his probes along.
On January 23 2011 08:31 ParasitJonte wrote: Stephano is amazing........................................
Seriously, he's a soooo much better player it's insane. I pray he wins.
Yes I hope so too. What really amazes me is how good the zerg player has to play just to hold off a cannon rush 4 gate DT rush. The skill difference between performing both just screams imbalance to me.
3 posts 2 about balance, good start here :/, anyway that was really stupid from cruncher i feel if he just expanded after the cannon contain he would of been in a great spot but 4 gating while blocking your natural is sooo ridiculously stupid, very well played by steffano i hope he goes through as i think cruncher will be crushed hard by the winner of the other semis.
On January 23 2011 08:37 JWD wrote: hahahaha that game was so much fun. I can't believe you guys are complaining. Who cares if there were mistakes?
While it was entertaining as hell, I think there is an element of "oh shit" if somebody qualifies when there will likely be many deserving top rated na/eu players who wont get spots in the TSL. That said, this isn't the final so as long as I'm entertained it's all good.
On January 23 2011 08:37 Slow Motion wrote: That game was so amazing and funny. Brilliant. I can't believe some of you are hating on these guys. They're providing us with way more entertaining games than you'd see in GSL.
Absolutely true! If only every game was as exciting as this one! The amount of self-neglecting aggression was just absurd.
On January 23 2011 08:36 mappiechampion wrote: Did anyone see Crunchers other games? Has he cheesed his way to the semis?
He beat Kiwi with 2x proxy gates on Shakuras, and in a one base Colossus game on Xel Naga.
This is accurate, but could make Cruncher come off as a worse straight up player than he actually is. The proxy gates were scouted and Kiwi stabilized vs them — Cruncher won that game with consistently better micro at crucial moments. At one point Kiwi had total control of his ramp and equal (maybe even greater) zealot numbers. Game 2 was typical 1-base vs. 1-base Protoss.
On January 23 2011 08:37 JWD wrote: hahahaha that game was so much fun. I can't believe you guys are complaining. Who cares if there were mistakes?
While it was entertaining as hell, I think there is an element of "oh shit" if somebody qualifies when there will likely be many deserving top rated na/eu players who wont get spots in the TSL. That said, this isn't the final so as long as I'm entertained it's all good.
The deserving players are the ones who win their qualifier games! I'm rooting for these underdogs, would love to see some new blood. Mysterious, even gimmicky players will make the tournament more interesting.
On January 23 2011 08:43 tianGO wrote: It would be nice if the stream had the Ustream logo in the bottom corner of the screen (Day9 and other casters has it that way).
Yes I agree, that's always been a little annoying, makes it impossible to see the food count.
Anyways, looking like we're gonna see a better game this time.
On January 23 2011 08:49 Nimic wrote: A very disappointing Semi final. I suppose the second game was entertaining, but are these really the kind of players that are going to play in TSL3?
don't know what you're talking about.. CrunCher is a very formidable player.
Cruncher played really smart. First of the time only cheesing and scaring the shit out of Zerg, and then playing standard and Zerg just overreacts. 3 Spines before scouting etc. ^^
And noticed how he delayed the scouting of his expansion for a really long time? I think he is definitely one person to watch ^^. (But only the series, not single games)
Pretty cool play by Cruncher. Worth noting that he scouted very actively for a hydra den with his observer, saw only roaches so just produced immortals.
Those spines + lack of drones really put Stephano behind, and then he completely missread Cruncher, thinking he would go collossii (he put a spire near the end).
More of the US top players should show up to this so guys like this doesn't get 100 frickin TSL points -_-. Had the guys at IEM been playing i severely doubt such poor players would have been in the semis.
I'm confused with the rules. Is TLO allowed to switch from random to Terran? From the commentary by Chill and DjWheat it seems like that is what they said happened. I thought you had to pick one and stick with it. Is that not the case for the tourney or are they mistaken or something? Hope someone can clarify.
On January 23 2011 08:53 mindspike wrote: I don't feel like zerg has any options on Xel Naga once they open fast expand and protoss fakes 4 gate into expand.
On January 23 2011 08:53 mindspike wrote: I don't feel like zerg has any options on Xel Naga once they open fast expand and protoss fakes 4 gate into expand.
It's hard to deal with, but not impossible. Stephano definitly could have droned a lot more.
On January 23 2011 08:53 mindspike wrote: I don't feel like zerg has any options on Xel Naga once they open fast expand and protoss fakes 4 gate into expand.
Mass Roaches and not scouting against an Immortal/Sentry/Stalker ball certainly won't open any new options.
On January 23 2011 08:53 mindspike wrote: I don't feel like zerg has any options on Xel Naga once they open fast expand and protoss fakes 4 gate into expand.
Well Stephano kinda lacked in overlord scouting...Atleast he coulda have one behind CrunCher's base to watch for the expand and the double robo.
On January 23 2011 08:54 Alou wrote: I'm confused with the rules. Is TLO allowed to switch from random to Terran? From the commentary by Chill and DjWheat it seems like that is what they said happened. I thought you had to pick one and stick with it. Is that not the case for the tourney or are they mistaken or something? Hope someone can clarify.
On January 23 2011 08:54 Alou wrote: I'm confused with the rules. Is TLO allowed to switch from random to Terran? From the commentary by Chill and DjWheat it seems like that is what they said happened. I thought you had to pick one and stick with it. Is that not the case for the tourney or are they mistaken or something? Hope someone can clarify.
Nazgul said race picking is allowed if your opponent knows in advance.
On January 23 2011 08:54 Alou wrote: I'm confused with the rules. Is TLO allowed to switch from random to Terran? From the commentary by Chill and DjWheat it seems like that is what they said happened. I thought you had to pick one and stick with it. Is that not the case for the tourney or are they mistaken or something? Hope someone can clarify.
On January 23 2011 08:54 Alou wrote: I'm confused with the rules. Is TLO allowed to switch from random to Terran? From the commentary by Chill and DjWheat it seems like that is what they said happened. I thought you had to pick one and stick with it. Is that not the case for the tourney or are they mistaken or something? Hope someone can clarify.
On January 23 2011 08:53 mindspike wrote: I don't feel like zerg has any options on Xel Naga once they open fast expand and protoss fakes 4 gate into expand.
Scout maybe?
It helps a little but you are always one step behind. You have to take a huge gamble and be AHEAD of the protoss instead of reacting. Someone like Nestea or Fruitdealer could pull it off I guess.
On January 23 2011 08:51 mike1 wrote: entertaining but not the games i want to see in a semi final!
does not compute
lol what do you mean?
I found them good, but do you really want to see a 5 gate into Cheesecake Factory into mass roach vs sentry immortal?
Think Fantasy vs Calm ^^ good but shit for semis...
I mean: I don't see why anyone would care what builds the players choose, as long as the games are exciting. As a viewer I just want to be entertained. Who cares if the game is a macro game or one of crazy, reckless aggression?
I think TLO's plan was to push down toward the back of Fenix's base where he had the turret up ready to detect Banshees. Just wasn't expecting to get caught transferring down there.
On January 23 2011 08:57 Eggcake wrote: What if one player says:
"I'll take terran if you take terran" The other: "I'll take protoss if you take terran" . . .
? :>
Well okay, it's never happening because nearly everyone just has 1 race, so...
@mindspike Exactly, he has options. Protoss also takes a chance with the early expand.
If the rules are standard then you can't make conditional racepicks. Both players announce their race before knowing the opponent's race (though of course you usually know the opponent's race).
On January 23 2011 09:10 BenKen wrote: marine drop + hellions on scrap from TLO. Didn't NaDa do something similar recently?
Something along those lines, might not have been with the drop? Can't remember ^^
Seen TLO playing a lot in the last few weeks and he does this a huge amount of the time on scrap, as well as doing it quite regularly on close air metal.
On January 23 2011 09:11 Spidinko wrote: Whoopsie, just tuned in for TLO. Is he still playing random like in previous matches or is he racepicking T?
He played random up to here, but race picked T in this match up.
On January 23 2011 09:10 BenKen wrote: marine drop + hellions on scrap from TLO. Didn't NaDa do something similar recently?
That's TLOs trademark IMHO. I think he did this kind of play even in the beta
TLO should really get a Raven or more turrets?
I think the first time I really heard of TLO or the first time my face did this: O_O was when he did exactly this and microed his 3 hellions separately...
Funny thing: TLO was 10 harvesters ahead for the longest time, but he had to use scans on banshees so Fenix had the exact same income from mules the whole time,.
He threw the game like a boss when he decided to attack with thors without scvs.
Microed banshee really good, didn't lose any I think, defended the Thor attack, gg. Just well played by Fenix, a bit disappointed with TLO, he had such a good start this game :/
TLO plays a bit too cute at times I think, gets into great positions but sometimes is a bit too unorthadox for his own good when it comes to capitalising on it
that reminds me of the pokeridol tournament where TLO lost all his games or at least his advantages in games with Thors, but won with standard play. Please stop making thors TLO .
And once again I'm amazed at how much pro players hate turrets. He already had the Ebay, two turrets in crucial positions could have made his life so much easier for a small part of the cost of all those lost SCVs and other units.
I have to ask this question. TLO is playing "random" but every time I tune in he has picked terran :o I'm not complaining here I just wanted to know if he has done actual random in this tournament? Haven't seen all of the games.
On January 23 2011 09:17 mahrgell wrote: usual TLO-Style: Nice opening, and then completly unable to convert on it
Also, casters always forget that the guy TLO is playing against is actually really good too, because everyone wants to root for TLO (myself included). It's not like Fenix is a nobody. He has more big tournament wins than TLO actually.
TLO is so bad at keeping an advantage, I wish I could say something less harsh, but... everytime I see him play he takes a big advantage early game and then completely throws the game away by being too aggressive.
This Terran build is pretty sick.. Harrassing with cloak banchees all the time while building up an army and killing tanks with banchees.. I will give it a shot:;D
On January 23 2011 09:17 mahrgell wrote: usual TLO-Style: Nice opening, and then completly unable to convert on it
Also, casters always forget that the guy TLO is playing against is actually really good too, because everyone wants to root for TLO (myself included). It's not like Fenix is a nobody. He has more big tournament wins than TLO actually.
They did say it a couple of times. And yeah, Fenix is a beast.
I really wish TLO switched to standard play when he has an advantage ,he almost always makes his wins harder than they should be ,and sometimes looses games that he is winning :'(.
Tough losses for TLO. I feel like he could have played 100% better if he was one racing instead of playing random. Pushing out in that first game without a raven is a HUGE no-no.
I'm sad for TLO, but having Fenix play the TSL3 would be awesome, I mean, Fenix is really good, maybe the best terran on the US server, much better than QXC in my opinion.
I don't understand TLO. His early attack gave him such a huge lead after the thor drop, he had an earlier oc, a huge scv lead.
He could just sit back, focus on defending the banshees and build a strong, normal army instead of that thor bullshit. He should really sometimes try to stop this cutesy shit (hate inc.) after doing successful harass / damage.
It sounds harsh, but I have to agree. I really LOVE his play, but it was the same story (alltough he was probably ill) at the HomeStory Cup. Big lead in the beginning, then continues to harass/attack, loses too many units and loses. It's just sad to see him lose this way, it's not like he's on the backfoot the whole game, he is actually ahead, pretty much every single game! :-(
Why don't TvP mech players incorporate ghosts into their unit composition(Jinro didn't either)? It seems like EMP's on the immortals would be immensely powerful against the imminent immortal heavy P composition.
I think fenix didnt spread out his tanks enough so they just fell one after the other very easy to strom and collossi. Also he didnt seem to have much of a "support" to all those tanks.
Needs Ghosts. When you're on 4 bases there is no excuse that you're not adding Ghost vs Immortal/Templar composition. Good EMP would have won that game for him, allowing the Banshees and Tanks to just rape the composition of cruncher.
Could it be that he had less upgrades? Cruncher had +3 Attack really fast, but i didnt watch Fenix. Because upgrades are one of the most important things in mech.
On January 23 2011 09:51 TranceStorm wrote: Fenix seemed to have such a large advantage when he took out the gold base. I did not see that turn-around at all
He let him retake the gold expo while his troops including siege tanks chilled one screen away, I didn't quite get it.
Fenix let cruncher build that death ball of high tech toss units. His harass that was needed to slow down toss tech and upgrades did nothing in the midgame.
Cruncher had 3 hotkeys, 1 for army, 1 for all production, and 1 for all Nexus . If he went Stargate in midgame he would have won that a lot faster, but I guess it doesn't matter.
On January 23 2011 10:12 GenoZStriker wrote: :/ Am I the only one who follows NA tournaments and the little leagues to not be surprised about Cruncher's performance?
On January 23 2011 10:12 GenoZStriker wrote: :/ Am I the only one who follows NA tournaments and the little leagues to not be surprised about Cruncher's performance?
The Protoss late-game army is fundamentally better than the Terran late-game army so you have to keep Protoss down early on. Fenix tried that but Cruncher defended it beautifully.
Vortex into GG. That's how you win in style. I have to admit.... I'm one of those people who didnt give Crucher a chance. I've never been so happy to be wrong.
On January 23 2011 10:12 GenoZStriker wrote: :/ Am I the only one who follows NA tournaments and the little leagues to not be surprised about Cruncher's performance?
4-gating his way through the tournament, playing some very questionable games in the semi finals into playing LIKE DAT in the finals?! Cruncher definetly scores points for surprising everyone here!
On January 23 2011 10:11 Lalgee wrote: he streams like 3 times a week for hours, but only gets like 60 viewers lol. he keeps whining about it on his stream
well now that people have seen him play that's gonna change
On January 23 2011 10:13 Azarkon wrote: The Protoss late-game army is fundamentally better than the Terran late-game army so you have to keep Protoss down early on. Fenix tried that but Cruncher defended it beautifully.
What.
Fenix didn't try to contain/push/deny expansions. There was an early push but he was getting his third expansion at the same time so he had the smaller army and less tech, and two drops where one killed an assimilator and the other traded some marines for stalkers.
I am not sure (and biased as former WC3 player), but i may even go and say you can learn macro, but you can't learn micro as quickly if you're occupied with all the macro stuff you do anyways.
(But, i am sure it's the opposite, as most wc3 pros haven't caught up yet. let's see what happens when Grubby gets started).
I love it when people cheer for the underdog - makes a series so much more appealing! :D
On January 23 2011 10:25 mappiechampion wrote: Disgusting final, Fenix TvP isn't that good it seems. I would love to see Cruncher against a player that can handle all-ins.
winning two games that last 20-30 minutes are 'all-ins'? :O
This is crazy.. I'm sad.. even if I'm protoss I wanted fenix to take this, maybe cruncher will surprise in TSL3 too? well, Fenix really played awfully bad this series, while cruncher played nicely, it was really the only outcome possible
On January 23 2011 10:25 mappiechampion wrote: Disgusting final, Fenix TvP isn't that good it seems. I would love to see Cruncher against a player that can handle all-ins.
On January 23 2011 10:25 mappiechampion wrote: Disgusting final, Fenix TvP isn't that good it seems. I would love to see Cruncher against a player that can handle all-ins.
you would see games like the first two, in which cruncher displayed strong macro capabilities and really army comps.
On January 23 2011 10:23 VX14 wrote: WTF if he countered he would have won, just lfoat his cc somewhere
no i don't think he would have won. 1 round of warpins + probes could hold that
(but itd still be better than tryign to return to base)
I doubt he had a round of warpins available (looks like he was warping units in 1 at a time at his proxy pylon) and fenix had stim. I think he would have pulled it off. might have been close though
On January 23 2011 10:27 ViZe wrote: Fenix was trying to draw CrunCher back home to his base. That was why he flew over the two Towers.
If that was the case I commend him for his creativity in a hard spot, but then why would he load up a bunch of units in the medivacs? Empty ones faking a drop would have been just as effective.
On January 23 2011 10:25 gnutz wrote: He reminds me of MC ^^
New Protoss style for crunching Terrans !
It was not a new style at all, but the execution was quite good. Fenix on the other hand played terribly, and I felt like his composition was off all the time. First game he had nothing to support those tanks and the banshee play revealed to be not sufficient. Second game, those 5 tanks really served no purposes.
I was disappointed when Cruncher killed Kiwikaki because i assumed kiwi was the better protoss player, but Cruncher showing he's actually a baller. If he advances well in the later stages of the TSL, then we could be seeing the rising of a new star in starcraft 2.
On January 23 2011 10:29 mdma-_- wrote: warcaft 3 players owning tl open 3rd qualifier 3rd ex-wc3 winner
The winner of TSL is going to be a BW player though. As with pretty much all important tournaments.
It's funny that you forgot Naamas success at Dreamhack, especially because you are from Finland.
You are probably right with your first part though, I think a player from Korea has the best chances to win the tournament.
I didn't forget anything. I said pretty much all, not all. I think Lucifron won something too but I'm not sure.
Sjow won some tournaments with > 1000€ price money, Demuslim won a ~5000€ tournament, TLO won the pokeridol tournament (he wasn't really a BW player) with ~2000€ price money.
But you are right that BW players won most important tournaments.
On January 23 2011 10:29 mdma-_- wrote: warcaft 3 players owning tl open 3rd qualifier 3rd ex-wc3 winner
The winner of TSL is going to be a BW player though. As with pretty much all important tournaments.
It's funny that you forgot Naamas success at Dreamhack, especially because you are from Finland.
You are probably right with your first part though, I think a player from Korea has the best chances to win the tournament.
I didn't forget anything. I said pretty much all, not all. I think Lucifron won something too but I'm not sure.
Sjow won some tournaments with > 1000€ price money, Demuslim won a ~5000€ tournament, TLO won the pokeridol tournament (he wasn't really a BW player) with ~2000€ price money.
But you are right that BW players won most important tournaments.
I said important tournaments. The one Demuslim won had only Socke and Sarens. Sjow did however win at least Inferno Online. He won that UK thing too but it had barely anyone notable playing. Can't remember more.
why is this turning into WC3 vs BW? it's been proven time and again wc3 players can compete with people who transitioned from BW. However no one high level from BW have transitioned over which is why there isn't a big skill gap, high level kespa ranked BW players are completely different beasts than the bw players we have now in sc2
well cruncher did cheese the crap out of kiwikaki and apparently? the french zerg guy, he is pretty good at pvt ( who isn't ) he did really pwn fenix though lol
There aren't really many active sc2, ex-BW gods, that aren't currently in Asia except for WhiteRa and Tyler. So it's really not surprising that the lesser known ex-war3 pros have won the first three qualifiers. I think WhiteRa or TLO is going to end up taking down the Euro qualifier though.
On January 23 2011 11:43 daxile wrote: why is this turning into WC3 vs BW? it's been proven time and again wc3 players can compete with people who transitioned from BW. However no one high level from BW have transitioned over which is why there isn't a big skill gap, high level kespa ranked BW players are completely different beasts than the bw players we have now in sc2
you mean like july nada and mvp...? I mean it's not like they were too high in kespa at the time of their switch, but they still would've been singificant favorites against all foreign BW players
Actually, Nada is proof that extraordinary skill in BW (three-time OSL champion I believe? And one of the most consistent BW champions...) does not necessarily ensure future dominance in the game or other related games. Skill in RTS games is not apparently something that is sure to get better with time.
He was explicitly referring to active, A-team broodwar players and not some washed up champion of the past or mediocre bench sitters (mvp who's rocking gsl anyway).
On January 23 2011 13:00 Azarkon wrote: Actually, Nada is proof that extraordinary skill in BW (three-time OSL champion I believe? And one of the most consistent BW champions...) does not necessarily ensure future dominance in the game or other related games. Skill in RTS games is not apparently something that is sure to get better with time.
Nada was fucking terrible at bw relative to people like MVP at the point he switched over.
TLO vs Fenix reminds me of the Homestory Cup #2 - TLO gets an advantage through nice play, and then throws it somehow away - but who am I to judge his play, getting to semi-finals playing random is awesome!! ♥TLO
god damn cruncher looked solid, wether it be cheese or just solid stable play he pulled it all off in great fashion. I'm a fan, now get him to the GSL and we'll see what he's really made off
This is a goal the team has. We are hoping to make contacts and be sending players there by next year. Right now as a new team were going to be sending players to MLG. So were off to a good start.
On January 23 2011 21:32 FarbrorAbavna wrote: god damn cruncher looked solid, wether it be cheese or just solid stable play he pulled it all off in great fashion. I'm a fan, now get him to the GSL and we'll see what he's really made off
EPT
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CrunCher - $100 + qualifies for TSL3
Fenix - $50 + 100 TSL3 qualifier points
TLO - $25 + 51 points
Stephano - $25 + 51 points
Is it still possible I could check-in? 
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