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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 29 2010 14:24 GMT
#2801
Lol wow that was better than any of the TvPs i saw in GSL.
GANDHISAUCE
QuantumTheory
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand188 Posts
December 29 2010 14:24 GMT
#2802
On December 29 2010 23:21 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 23:15 QuantumTheory wrote:
On December 29 2010 23:12 Jehct wrote:
On December 29 2010 23:04 QuantumTheory wrote:
On December 29 2010 23:01 Jehct wrote:
On December 29 2010 22:50 QuantumTheory wrote:
On December 29 2010 22:49 Jehct wrote:
What is everyone talking about, Losira had a huge advantage (~30food ahead) until he misdetonated ~15-20 banelings. That's game-deciding, it wasn't that his harass was ineffective or MVP's unit comp was unbeatable =/

No amount of counter attacking in the world is going to help you if the opponent can kill your base faster than you can kill his.


His counter-attacking was winning him the game, he misdetonated 1000/500 worth of units and wasn't far enough ahead for that to not matter. The game wasn't decided but to keep saying that his play style wasn't working is absurd.

Blistering was interesting, kinda wish he had tried to take a different third as the push to the nat put him too far behind to have a chance. Really interesting to see backstabbing like that all the time though, will look forward to seeing Losira in the future.

Had the Terran decided, blow it and base traded, Losira wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning. That supply lead you're talking about doesn't account for army strength. IMMvp had an iron grip on that game whether the harass was working or not. Losira couln't stop that push even if he wanted to.


That's utter nonsense, the only way MVP could push was through a tank crawl on creep, meaning he would have to play incredibly carefully and slowly, probably giving Losira more than enough time to put MVP in a position where he couldn't replenish his army while his grew big enough to crush the push. Tank/marine pushes are potent but not THAT potent, a 'base trade' situation would have greatly favoured Losira and it's what his whole playstyle invites =/ Even the original pure marine push at the start of the game on Xelnaga didn't do any damage at all, which was far speedier and with far less creep spread. Losira also didn't have the advantage when he crushed the original push. Tanks are good but they aren't that good.

Good point, however I think Mvp would have still won. His marine splitting and his confidence in it would mean he's not too worried of a Zerg attacking his army when half of it is at his nat. So I think he'd advance quicker than you think.


Pushing too quick would still lose him the game, once you have that many marines even with perfect splitting banelings are going to be cost-effective, and with Losira having an advantage MVP couldn't afford an equal trade. Losira just threw it away by mistake, it happens, trying to learn anything else from that game is silly.

Banelings take a bit of time to morph leaving MVP time to get set up at the nat, banelings aren't going to do much. ANyway, I'm off to bed, I'm just going to have to agree to disagree.
oGsNADAHHHHH | NOTHING SUSPICIOUS GOING ON HERE - HuK
Vroommmm
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands25 Posts
December 29 2010 14:24 GMT
#2803
MVP is playing long games for the fans
klo8
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria1960 Posts
December 29 2010 14:24 GMT
#2804
On December 29 2010 23:23 betamale wrote:
who is tsl_pooh that was a great game

TSL_Pooh was the Protoss who just played? He played pretty damn well except that he should have built cannons in his main to defend those drops from MVP.
This post is clearly not a hurr, as you can see from the graph, the durr never intersects with the derp.
QuantumTheory
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand188 Posts
December 29 2010 14:25 GMT
#2805
Smart is such a baller.
oGsNADAHHHHH | NOTHING SUSPICIOUS GOING ON HERE - HuK
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
December 29 2010 14:25 GMT
#2806
nice game^^
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
ForTheDr3am
Profile Joined November 2010
842 Posts
December 29 2010 14:26 GMT
#2807
This game was pretty awesome.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 29 2010 14:26 GMT
#2808
On December 29 2010 23:24 klo8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 23:23 betamale wrote:
who is tsl_pooh that was a great game

TSL_Pooh was the Protoss who just played? He played pretty damn well except that he should have built cannons in his main to defend those drops from MVP.

Cannons don't stop 8 marauder drops lol.
GANDHISAUCE
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 14:27:47
December 29 2010 14:26 GMT
#2809
On December 29 2010 23:24 De4ngus wrote:
Lol wow that was better than any of the TvPs i saw in GSL.

U didn't see MC's PvTs, did u?

Edit: Only mvp played better than most of MC's terran opponents (apart from foxer that is)
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
Rouel
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden138 Posts
December 29 2010 14:26 GMT
#2810
Awesome game.
Mvp again massed up on two bases and instead of pushing expanded. But toss was on top of things and matched Mvp in bases, battles and multitasking, dealing with Mvps drops and army movement around the map. Finally wore Mvp down as he denied Mvps gold multiple times and Mvp mined out his third.
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
December 29 2010 14:27 GMT
#2811
On December 29 2010 23:09 QuantumTheory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 23:04 Nimic wrote:
Yeah, Mvp is terrible, Terran is just imba.

That makes sense.

What, if you're referring to me that's not what I'm saying at all. Mvp is great and I think deserves a lot more credit than FoxeR does. I think Mvp is about to usher in another meta game shift in TvZ, and in my opinion this composition is insanely hard to stop in the hands of someone whose not dumb. Idk, if I came off as Mvp is terrible and Terran is imba then no, that's not what I meant.


MK(a top player) > MVP(a good player).
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
Vroommmm
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands25 Posts
December 29 2010 14:27 GMT
#2812
On December 29 2010 23:24 klo8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 23:23 betamale wrote:
who is tsl_pooh that was a great game

TSL_Pooh was the Protoss who just played? He played pretty damn well except that he should have built cannons in his main to defend those drops from MVP.


you would need so many cannons :S protoss has warpin that should do it along with some mobile defense.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8660 Posts
December 29 2010 14:27 GMT
#2813
On December 29 2010 22:59 DBrave wrote:
only TSL_Pooh left for team 1, soon it will be finished and than turn on kaspersky


It seems Pooh is a better player than we all guessed.^^ Really nice game on Metalopolis!
Rouel
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden138 Posts
December 29 2010 14:27 GMT
#2814
On December 29 2010 23:26 Drazzzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 23:24 De4ngus wrote:
Lol wow that was better than any of the TvPs i saw in GSL.

U didn't see MC's PvTs, did u?


I agree with him. MC just rolled his opponents (which was awesome).
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
December 29 2010 14:28 GMT
#2815
delta has the awesome back door for toss to warp in.
Dear Sixsmith...
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
December 29 2010 14:29 GMT
#2816
On December 29 2010 23:27 Rouel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 23:26 Drazzzt wrote:
On December 29 2010 23:24 De4ngus wrote:
Lol wow that was better than any of the TvPs i saw in GSL.

U didn't see MC's PvTs, did u?


I agree with him. MC just rolled his opponents (which was awesome).


Against foxer there were some closer games and the second (or first) game against Rain on lost temple was pretty epic and definitely no rolling over.
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
QuantumTheory
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand188 Posts
December 29 2010 14:32 GMT
#2817
On December 29 2010 23:27 bearhug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 23:09 QuantumTheory wrote:
On December 29 2010 23:04 Nimic wrote:
Yeah, Mvp is terrible, Terran is just imba.

That makes sense.

What, if you're referring to me that's not what I'm saying at all. Mvp is great and I think deserves a lot more credit than FoxeR does. I think Mvp is about to usher in another meta game shift in TvZ, and in my opinion this composition is insanely hard to stop in the hands of someone whose not dumb. Idk, if I came off as Mvp is terrible and Terran is imba then no, that's not what I meant.


MK(a top player) > MVP(a good player).

Yes I've met you in another thread before. I get it your a MKP fan, but it's my opinion and in my opinion I think of MVP as a better player than FoxeR. If that upsets you I don't care. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
oGsNADAHHHHH | NOTHING SUSPICIOUS GOING ON HERE - HuK
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
December 29 2010 14:32 GMT
#2818
LOL did MVP snipe his own scv?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 14:33:49
December 29 2010 14:33 GMT
#2819
Most koreans consider MVP the best terran so
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 29 2010 14:34 GMT
#2820
Might wanna pull the probes -_-
GANDHISAUCE
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