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So they are playing now? AS in, RIGHT NOW? :p. damn I'm gonna miss testers game.... Hope there will be VODs...
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Pretty annoying how so many korean streams use some sort of proprietary player
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Err, according to Mozilla It's a reported attack page.
Can anyone confirm it's legit?
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Fruit > Ox Virus > Check Fruit > Check Ox > Virus Virus > Fruit Check > Ox
FataLe my firefox tells me the same, so I closed it :s
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On December 16 2010 20:49 FataLe wrote: Err, according to Mozilla It's a reported attack page.
Can anyone confirm it's legit? It's a legit site, I'm watching it right now but it's quite laggy. It's a HD stream.
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late baneling busts are so strong zz
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Whose playing atm? edit: nvm
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Ouch, Tester. Wrong composition.
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On December 16 2010 21:18 FataLe wrote: Ouch, Tester. Wrong composition.
He didn't really have a choice. Couldn't tech to collosus because if he stopped pumping he would have lost to a potential early push.
Protoss play right now is just too crippled, having to react whereas Terran can dictate what kind of game will be played.
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I didn't see the early game. As a general rule of thumb you should open 1 gate stargate if the Terran is 1 rax hide tech-ing. It's great vs all openers. Phoenix+Zealot+Sentry own the composition Tester was up against, but again I didn't see the early game so I couldn't follow the in-game decision making Tester was doing. It's unfortunate how much of a guessing game it becomes where if you guess wrong you're going to have to pull something great out to win.
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Don't get why tester chokes. He's obviously doing good on the ladder.
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On December 16 2010 21:23 stereotada wrote:He didn't really have a choice. Couldn't tech to collosus because if he stopped pumping he would have lost to a potential early push. Protoss play right now is just too crippled, having to react whereas Terran can dictate what kind of game will be played. tell this to MC, i never saw him react, he makes his opponents react to what he is doing
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On December 16 2010 21:34 ParasitJonte wrote: Don't get why tester chokes. He's obviously doing good on the ladder. MC use to do it, but he's seemed to have gotten over it quite well. I think the way he went out in Season 1 after having such a solid run slapped him in the face. Not qualifying twice after that doesn't help either. C'mon, I want the old Tester back, PRE Rainbow.
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On December 16 2010 21:34 Art_of_Kill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 21:23 stereotada wrote:On December 16 2010 21:18 FataLe wrote: Ouch, Tester. Wrong composition. He didn't really have a choice. Couldn't tech to collosus because if he stopped pumping he would have lost to a potential early push. Protoss play right now is just too crippled, having to react whereas Terran can dictate what kind of game will be played. tell this to MC, i never saw him react, he makes his opponents react to what he is doing Different styles, different builds, blind fanboyism.
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lol@z forge fe diagonal positions, failed warpgate rush vs hydra, pure blink stalker vs hydra ling. attack after building a nexus. win.
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Virus and Bomber aren't on their team's tlpd page?
Seems like weird player picks by the coaches given GSL results. Would be nice to have sc2 proleague to see more of the players.
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This is turning out to be more of a fail from the Zerg than a comeback from Tester.
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On December 16 2010 21:50 IdrA wrote: lol@z forge fe diagonal positions, failed warpgate rush vs hydra, pure blink stalker vs hydra ling. attack after building a nexus. win. doens't tester do this practically every pvz as well? (mass blink stalker into DT)
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i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter
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On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter
Didn't you say that while FruitDealer and Nestea were winning GSLs.
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On December 16 2010 22:16 RoK Ot7Er wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Didn't you say that while FruitDealer and Nestea were winning GSLs. think patch 1.0 was fair? people can win games despite it being imbalanced
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Gah Tester you disappoint me!
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I will stream next time as well. Same thread I guess?
Also if people would like English commentary I can provide that as well. It'll mostly be snarky though :p
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On December 16 2010 22:17 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:16 RoK Ot7Er wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Didn't you say that while FruitDealer and Nestea were winning GSLs. think patch 1.0 was fair? people can win games despite it being imbalanced
Nice dodge. But, if you can do "anything" and beat zerg now, don't you think that FD and Nestea should've lost a Bo7 then?
Sure if something if "imba" then people can still win, but if its as bad as you say it is, and yes 1.0 was worse, then there shouldn't be any way for a zerg to win a bo5 or bo7
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incredible miracle going to own this np.
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On December 16 2010 22:20 RoK Ot7Er wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:17 IdrA wrote:On December 16 2010 22:16 RoK Ot7Er wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Didn't you say that while FruitDealer and Nestea were winning GSLs. think patch 1.0 was fair? people can win games despite it being imbalanced Nice dodge. But, if you can do "anything" and beat zerg now, don't you think that FD and Nestea should've lost a Bo7 then? Sure if something if "imba" then people can still win, but if its as bad as you say it is, and yes 1.0 was worse, then there shouldn't be any way for a zerg to win a bo5 or bo7 which is a completely baseless decision you just made. fruitdealer was a ton better than anyone he played and had a lot of luck along the way. but he couldntve possibly won if it was really that bad just because you say so. shut up.
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On December 16 2010 22:22 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:20 RoK Ot7Er wrote:On December 16 2010 22:17 IdrA wrote:On December 16 2010 22:16 RoK Ot7Er wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Didn't you say that while FruitDealer and Nestea were winning GSLs. think patch 1.0 was fair? people can win games despite it being imbalanced Nice dodge. But, if you can do "anything" and beat zerg now, don't you think that FD and Nestea should've lost a Bo7 then? Sure if something if "imba" then people can still win, but if its as bad as you say it is, and yes 1.0 was worse, then there shouldn't be any way for a zerg to win a bo5 or bo7 which is a completely baseless decision you just made. fruitdealer was a ton better than anyone he played and had a lot of luck along the way. but he couldntve possibly won if it was really that bad just because you say so. shut up. tell me the unbeatable pvz build then >.<
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On December 16 2010 22:30 Welmu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:22 IdrA wrote:On December 16 2010 22:20 RoK Ot7Er wrote:On December 16 2010 22:17 IdrA wrote:On December 16 2010 22:16 RoK Ot7Er wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Didn't you say that while FruitDealer and Nestea were winning GSLs. think patch 1.0 was fair? people can win games despite it being imbalanced Nice dodge. But, if you can do "anything" and beat zerg now, don't you think that FD and Nestea should've lost a Bo7 then? Sure if something if "imba" then people can still win, but if its as bad as you say it is, and yes 1.0 was worse, then there shouldn't be any way for a zerg to win a bo5 or bo7 which is a completely baseless decision you just made. fruitdealer was a ton better than anyone he played and had a lot of luck along the way. but he couldntve possibly won if it was really that bad just because you say so. shut up. tell me the unbeatable pvz build then >.<
Anything, remember.
This is my last post on the subject. Also, more to the topic (meant to put this in the first post) I thought it was really neat seeing JulyZerg do commentary. I don't speak Korean, so I couldn't understand anything he said, but its cool to see the old gosus commenate as well as play SC2.
Hopefully this trend can continue and well see more and more pros head over to SC2.
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Not that I disagree that P deathball is extremely difficult to deal with as Z, but in this specific game wasn't Losira floating like 4k gas? Would some infestors earlier had allowed to keep the stalker count a bit lower? Obviously he could have spent it on upgrades as well.
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On December 16 2010 22:36 syllogism wrote: Not that I disagree that P deathball is extremely difficult to deal with as Z, but in this specific game wasn't Losira floating like 4k gas? Would some infestors earlier had allowed to keep the stalker count a bit lower? Obviously he could have spent it on upgrades as well. His 3rd was mined out and his main and natural had a combined 5 patches left.
He was trying to take the gold, and setting up hatches on the last 2 bases on his side, but they didn't get up in time.
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On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter
Funny, I guess the actual win statistics are lying then.
I'm not saying it's balanced, but perhaps you should consider expressing yourself more intelligently rather than simply provoking responses. If the ID was removed from the post, I'm sure moderators would either warn or temp ban you for that comment.
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On December 17 2010 00:07 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Funny, I guess the actual win statistics are lying then. I'm not saying it's balanced, but perhaps you should consider expressing yourself more intelligently rather than simply provoking responses. If the ID was removed from the post, I'm sure moderators would either warn or temp ban you for that comment. I know, it's almost as if accomplishments can earn you respect, what bullshit here on TL. It's totally different for some random 1500 diamond noob to QQ than a really strong professional gamer in korea. I'm not saying idra is always right, but he has done something to earn the right to bitch about stuff.
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This will be on the same stream 6 hours from now?
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If I can get it to work fine I'll restream it. (Provided I don't pass out due to being sick)
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woah MC vs NesTea... hope they've been practicing.
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On December 18 2010 00:37 MoreFasho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 00:07 ParasitJonte wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Funny, I guess the actual win statistics are lying then. I'm not saying it's balanced, but perhaps you should consider expressing yourself more intelligently rather than simply provoking responses. If the ID was removed from the post, I'm sure moderators would either warn or temp ban you for that comment. I know, it's almost as if accomplishments can earn you respect, what bullshit here on TL. It's totally different for some random 1500 diamond noob to QQ than a really strong professional gamer in korea. I'm not saying idra is always right, but he has done something to earn the right to bitch about stuff.
No. Arguably it's much, much, much worse.
There's been several debates about why especially progamers should refrain from QQing. And no, even if a nobel prize winner came into my house and told me "it's obvious like this, idiot" I wouldn't believe him until he showed me why.
You've got strange opinions. Keep trusting the authorities.
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On December 21 2010 18:15 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 00:37 MoreFasho wrote:On December 17 2010 00:07 ParasitJonte wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Funny, I guess the actual win statistics are lying then. I'm not saying it's balanced, but perhaps you should consider expressing yourself more intelligently rather than simply provoking responses. If the ID was removed from the post, I'm sure moderators would either warn or temp ban you for that comment. I know, it's almost as if accomplishments can earn you respect, what bullshit here on TL. It's totally different for some random 1500 diamond noob to QQ than a really strong professional gamer in korea. I'm not saying idra is always right, but he has done something to earn the right to bitch about stuff. No. Arguably it's much, much, much worse. There's been several debates about why especially progamers should refrain from QQing. And no, even if a nobel prize winner came into my house and told me "it's obvious like this, idiot" I wouldn't believe him until he showed me why. You've got strange opinions. Keep trusting the authorities. It's good to want to know the reasons, but to "keep trusting authorities" is something that people have to do on a day to day basis. Are you a researcher in climate science? If not you can't have an opinion on global warming? Are you a professor in economics? If not why should you be allowed to vote, even amongst academics many economic issues are unclear. Did World War 2 happen? If you're not a historian who has been through the primary evidence, then you're relying on authority to decide. Et cetera.
Trusting authorities is not always a bad thing.
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Waiting on stream to be live
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On December 21 2010 19:00 Ner0 wrote: Waiting on stream to be live Still not live? Delays? I'm so used to the promptness of GSL.
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On December 21 2010 19:04 Tevinhead wrote:Still not live? Delays? I'm so used to the promptness of GSL. We are all being spoiled by GSL :D I can't blame others though
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Last time I used this link that oGsTOP gave out: http://tvpot.daum.net/streamqube.live The ygosu page is not loading me a stream? Help me out a tad?
I know a lot of people had stream issues but mine was fine, hopefully the same this go around.
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Someone should really restream Nestea vs MC.
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On December 21 2010 19:07 Ner0 wrote:Last time I used this link that oGsTOP gave out: http://tvpot.daum.net/streamqube.liveThe ygosu page is not loading me a stream? Help me out a tad? I know a lot of people had stream issues but mine was fine, hopefully the same this go around. looks like the official page will not provide integrated stream, gotta watch via Daum Pot Player
EDIT: it's live on Danawa page now
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oGsMC showing why he is the best
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Who's ST_Bomber? Never heard that ID before now.
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I've seen Idra play him a lot, I think he's pretty high up on the ladder.
Also, the quality of this stream is incredible...it's like I'm actually an observer in the game.
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Can anyone give us a quick summary of the MC vs NesTea game please?
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MC goes for forge FE. has gateways,pylons blocking ramp. Nestea goes for a Roach ling rush to break expansion but MC holds off and gets void ray. Then gets stalkers voidray, while Nestea gets pure queen and roaches to fend off. MC pushes, Nestea falls intantly
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Group D is happening today as well? Looks to be some good games there too.
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On December 21 2010 20:09 apathetic21 wrote: MC goes for forge FE. has gateways,pylons blocking ramp. Nestea goes for a Roach ling rush to break expansion but MC holds off and gets void ray. Then gets stalkers voidray, while Nestea gets pure queen and roaches to fend off. MC pushes, Nestea falls intantly Great thanks.
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Very good games so far, better than 95% of the GSL.
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With the result of the last game, group C is already decided:
+ Show Spoiler +MC and ST_Bomber go through. Nestea is out, even if he wins the last game.
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where did u guys see the MC games? i was trying to look for em.
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NesTea goes out in style. Close positions Meta TvZ. Great game. Very close.
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On December 21 2010 20:39 sekritzzz wrote: where did u guys see the MC games? i was trying to look for em.
www.livestream.com/nero22
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Ok I submitted an app, but it probably takes a while. Hope I can bring some more streams like this in the future.
Group D is going, TSL_Clide vs choyafOu finished, IMmvp vs oGsCezanne now.
Might put up some of my practice casts / laddering in the future.
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On December 21 2010 18:46 searcher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 18:15 ParasitJonte wrote:On December 18 2010 00:37 MoreFasho wrote:On December 17 2010 00:07 ParasitJonte wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Funny, I guess the actual win statistics are lying then. I'm not saying it's balanced, but perhaps you should consider expressing yourself more intelligently rather than simply provoking responses. If the ID was removed from the post, I'm sure moderators would either warn or temp ban you for that comment. I know, it's almost as if accomplishments can earn you respect, what bullshit here on TL. It's totally different for some random 1500 diamond noob to QQ than a really strong professional gamer in korea. I'm not saying idra is always right, but he has done something to earn the right to bitch about stuff. No. Arguably it's much, much, much worse. There's been several debates about why especially progamers should refrain from QQing. And no, even if a nobel prize winner came into my house and told me "it's obvious like this, idiot" I wouldn't believe him until he showed me why. You've got strange opinions. Keep trusting the authorities. It's good to want to know the reasons, but to "keep trusting authorities" is something that people have to do on a day to day basis. Are you a researcher in climate science? If not you can't have an opinion on global warming? Are you a professor in economics? If not why should you be allowed to vote, even amongst academics many economic issues are unclear. Did World War 2 happen? If you're not a historian who has been through the primary evidence, then you're relying on authority to decide. Et cetera. Trusting authorities is not always a bad thing.
Except that they have a huge body of papers, arguments and a verified methodology that anyone can read, understand, contribute to or contest. Whereas our friend Idra is happy with (and I'm paraphrasing): "These days you can pretty much do anything and win versus zergs".
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lol mvp made cezanne look like some bronze scrub
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There have been some pretty entertaining matches so far, if the groups at GSL are anything like this it'll be great. =)
Feeling hopeful about Ret's code A match having just watched Cezanne get run over by MvP, definitely think Ret is the better Z there.
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Zerg Q_Q never seems to end, seriously. When toss was in the back-foot people gave stupid advice like "lern2play" and "base ur whole strategy on warp prisms!!!!!". Toss just adapted and dealt with it, but that is too much to ask from zerg players. Its much easier to whine and get blizzard to patch it up for you. Obviously Toss units cost no money, so you can't compete with them!
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On December 21 2010 21:18 Ner0 wrote: Group D is going, TSL_Clide vs choyafOu finished, IMmvp vs oGsCezanne now.
I missed the game between Choya and Clide, can anyone tell us who won and make a quick summary of the game?
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I didn't see the Cezanne game today, though I'm 100% sure Ret is better than Cezanne. I just hope he doesn't get nervous or anything. Mirrors can be such a coin flip and it really makes me sad to see him lose.
I'm surprised MC lost to Bomber and NesTea didn't make it out of the group. How did MC lose?
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Mvp going for a FE, adds more rax, and breaks down the rocks.
choya expanding after Mvp and goes for 6gates.
Massive marine attack incoming
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Forcefieldu crushing the push
Mvp just now getting his gasses up
€: huge gate push from choya, munching through the whole army and 2 Bunkers. Mvp gg's
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On December 21 2010 21:39 hipo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 21:18 Ner0 wrote: Group D is going, TSL_Clide vs choyafOu finished, IMmvp vs oGsCezanne now. I missed the game between Choya and Clide, can anyone tell us who won and make a quick summary of the game?
Clide won that one. Rough summary follows:
+ Show Spoiler +It was a fairly standard macro game I guess, Choya teching towards Colossus and Clide roaming around with a MMM ball. Real pushes started coming at around 150 food with both looking to take their third base. Clide managed to bait a number of forcefields without using Stim, the first pushes were pretty even losses on both sides, and Clide started to mass up a decent number of Vikings. Choya looked like he might take out Clides gold briefly but the PF morph finished and he got driven back. At this point Clide started to get a bit of a lead and pushed up towards Choya's gold in return, his vikings were able to drop the Colossus fairly quickly and he landed them to assist his MMM in mopping up all Choya's forces. With nothing really left to defend himself, Choya GG'd out.
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Wow, choya really seems to have MVP's number, he crushed that push and then countered for a pretty easy win.
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On December 21 2010 21:43 Dandel Ion wrote: Forcefieldu crushing the push
Mvp just now getting his gasses up
€: huge gate push from choya, munching through the whole army and 2 Bunkers. Mvp gg's Choya crushes MVP with perfect timing and excellent forcefields.
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It wouldn't have been that bad if MVP didn't keep trying to force (heh) it. He gave up 3 or 4 extra Marines every time trying to sneak his entire army through a single hole.
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haha did they not realise clide is an observer ;p
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On December 21 2010 21:40 kidd wrote: I didn't see the Cezanne game today, though I'm 100% sure Ret is better than Cezanne. I just hope he doesn't get nervous or anything. Mirrors can be such a coin flip and it really makes me sad to see him lose.
I'm surprised MC lost to Bomber and NesTea didn't make it out of the group. How did MC lose?
MC went 4 gate vs Bomber's 2 rax expo. Bomber held it off and MC was way behind economically, eventually getting rolled by an MM push.
Wow that last game was painful, Cezanne finally managed to win although he seemed to try really hard to throw away an unassailable lead...
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Results so far: clide > choya mvp > cezanne choya > mvp cezanne > clide cezanne > choya clide > mvp
Clide and Cezanne advances.
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On December 21 2010 18:15 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 00:37 MoreFasho wrote:On December 17 2010 00:07 ParasitJonte wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Funny, I guess the actual win statistics are lying then. I'm not saying it's balanced, but perhaps you should consider expressing yourself more intelligently rather than simply provoking responses. If the ID was removed from the post, I'm sure moderators would either warn or temp ban you for that comment. I know, it's almost as if accomplishments can earn you respect, what bullshit here on TL. It's totally different for some random 1500 diamond noob to QQ than a really strong professional gamer in korea. I'm not saying idra is always right, but he has done something to earn the right to bitch about stuff. No. Arguably it's much, much, much worse. There's been several debates about why especially progamers should refrain from QQing. And no, even if a nobel prize winner came into my house and told me "it's obvious like this, idiot" I wouldn't believe him until he showed me why. You've got strange opinions. Keep trusting the authorities. Statistics aren't going to show you this. You're like a first grader trying to have Feynman teach you how the special theory of relatively affect electricity and magnetism, you don't have the base to understand the problem. Statistics are an approach that is a great way of approximating the issue for those who can't argue it from more basic principles. (in this example, if your mechanics are bad, your race will always seem UP)
As for my "trust of authority", I was merely pointing out that strong players can get away with more without getting banned, not that everything they say is true.
Edit: Also, they SHOULD be able to get away with more, just to be clear.
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Excellent Clide vs mvp game. Lots of little nice things in it. Why is Clide so good?
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damn Cliiiidee is so goddd, his TvT really impresses me
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Cezanne 1st? Impressive. I guess oGs has seen something in him :p
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Thought I'd try some rough play by plays of the last couple of games since I've really enjoyed what I watched this morning. Sorry if they're not the most coherent things ever, it's harder than I thought it'd be, and the casters not using the production tab meant it was somtimes hard to spot just when things went down =) (though in a way I think that kinda makes it more exciting, when you think someone is in trouble only to discover they've got X unit on the way that saves them at the last second)
Clide vs Cezanne: Jungle Basin
+ Show Spoiler +Cezanne takes a 15 hatch, while Clide drops a rax and then FE's behind it. Clide opting to get a factory and uses his second rax to wall in with before pushing out with a small marine force. Cezanne has plenty of lings out though and defends it easily, he's also got a baneling nest going down.
Cezanne's turn to push with a baneling bust on clide's wall, it obliterates it and lings flood in. Clide holds it off with Hellions but not before there's been a lot of damage done. Clide gets his wall down again, but no sooner has it finished than another bust breaks through and things look really bad for Clide. Blueflame is done for clide's hellions however and he cleans it up again
There's a roach warren down for Cezanne, and a starport for clide. Clide pushes forward with hellions but is met by a roach wall at Cezanne's ramp. Clide brings down a medivac to drop his hellions between the main and nat and does a little harass.
Cezanne with an inbase hatch and is getting muta's out, Clide up to 5 rax and is starting to bring out siege tanks instead of the early game hellions.
Muta harass from Cezanne followed up by an attack on Clide's back rocks, Lings and Roaches flood in to Clide's nat while Muta's distract from the other side of his main. Cezanne has taken a third during this.
Clide pushes forwards to Cezanne's third which is heavily defended with lings/banes/roaches, the situation looks bad for him but he manages to micro back into range of his siege tanks and they do massive damage to the zerg forces plowing forward allowing Clide to wipe out the third. Not particularly good decision making from Cezanne, but he has reexpanded on the other side of the map.
Clide pushes out and crushes the third again, Creep has almost reached Clide's front door. Muta harass is thinning out Clide's natural which has really not had a whole lot mined from it considering it's been up almost the whole game. Cezanne getting his third up yet again.
Clide pushes out down the centre but his tanks aren't sieged up fast enough to catch the zerg at range and he gets overwhelmed by the massive forces of the swarm. Don't think he ever really recovered from that early Baneling bust that put him a sizeable way behind. Cezanne almost managed to throw away his lead on a number of occasions, but good harass kept Clide stretched pretty thin and he eventually took the win.
Cezanne vs Choya: Metalopolis
+ Show Spoiler +Close positions on Meta, Choya pylon blocks cezannes ramp...it's a cannon rush. Cezanne gets spinecrawlers and a pool down and has somewhat fended it off, cannons and pylons not cleaned up and a probe in the base, but nothing actually in range of the zerg forces now.
There's a baneling nest down for cezanne, while Choya is adding an extra gate to wall off completely. Cezanne breaks out and counter attacks, perfectly timed Sentry from Choya splits the lings in front of his wall and a cannon cleans the trapped ones up.
Cezanne expands, meanwhile a Stargate and additional gates are going down for Choya. Choya pushes with a gateway/voidray force but is thrown back decisively by some mass queen action. Choya expands behind it, Cezanne getting hydras
There's a bit of a standoff, choya is getting a robo. Cezanne decides to push with hydra/ling and brings some queens along to the party. Choya has a few cannons down defending his nat and his forces are more than enough to fend it off convincingly.
Cezanne takes his gold, and his creep has spread all the way to choyas natural. choya scouts the gold and his first colossus pops out. Cezanne has been reinforcing with roaches rather than his hydra mix early though. Cezanne preparing a baneling drop, Choya pushing out once his third colossus arrives, but the baneling drop is smack bang on choya's forces and he gets flattened.
He's also pushing Cezanne's gold expo though and Cezanne is forced to bring his forces to defend it rather than push back at Choya's nat. Not sure what Cezanne is doing, he's just let Choya drag at least 20 roaches around almost the whole map with 2 wounded stalkers.
It doesn't matter though, the numbers from the last attack tell and when Cezanne does finally push towards the Nat it's GG. Cezanne goes through, and Choya is out.
Clide vs MvP: Lost Temple
+ Show Spoiler +Lost temple, MvP spawns at 9 and Clide at 3. MvP rax/fact and fast siege tanks. Clide has chosen to take a fast expansion, MvP getting a starport down. Brief skirmish in the middle of the map which MvP comes out on top of granting him a bit of map control.
2 Tank drop inc at Clide's nat and MvP has to be feeling pretty happy with this start. Clide has vikings out and uses them to clean up the medivac and give sight for his own tanks to hit up to the ledge, pretty sure he landed them to clean up but we cut away because MvP has a big push inc at the natural. Clide holds it off though with tanks, scv's, and landed vikings and it really doesn't do a lot of damage (he's only 5 scv's down).
Clide pushing back and has restored control of half the map. He sieges up below the ledge outside MvP's main and is using vikings for sight again; he's doing a lot of damage to buildings and MvP can't get close enough with Bio so has to start inching his tanks forward along the flank. Clide using his vikings really well, drops them onto MvP's tank line to clean that threat up before hopping back to the skies to sight for his tanks. He starts pushing with them into MvP's main and brings along a medivac to start elevator lifting units up to the top, he pushes in further and MvP doesn't seem to have anything left. It's GG and Clide goes through, while MvP is out.
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I like how having said I felt more confident about Ret vs Cezanne in Code A after Cezannes first match, he then takes out Choya and Clide ><
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is there any way to rewatch these games? ty
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On December 21 2010 23:17 m3ss wrote: is there any way to rewatch these games? ty It'll be under the latest videos here: http://www.livestream.com/nero22 , and also available on the website in the OP.
Thanks Asha for the write-ups!
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well i cant find anything on the official site, those korean characters freak me out the latest (dec21) videos on ur site are still being uploaded i guess? koz its all black, when is it up? ty nero btw
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On December 21 2010 23:12 Asha` wrote:
I like how having said I felt more confident about Ret vs Cezanne in Code A after Cezannes first match, he then takes out Choya and Clide ><
Not in very dominating fashion though lol. He played fairly well, but they were just some strange games and big mistakes were made by the other players.
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On December 21 2010 22:40 MoreFasho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 18:15 ParasitJonte wrote:On December 18 2010 00:37 MoreFasho wrote:On December 17 2010 00:07 ParasitJonte wrote:On December 16 2010 22:15 IdrA wrote: i dunno i havent played him/seen him play in forever you can do just about anything you want and beat zerg right now though it doesnt really matter Funny, I guess the actual win statistics are lying then. I'm not saying it's balanced, but perhaps you should consider expressing yourself more intelligently rather than simply provoking responses. If the ID was removed from the post, I'm sure moderators would either warn or temp ban you for that comment. I know, it's almost as if accomplishments can earn you respect, what bullshit here on TL. It's totally different for some random 1500 diamond noob to QQ than a really strong professional gamer in korea. I'm not saying idra is always right, but he has done something to earn the right to bitch about stuff. No. Arguably it's much, much, much worse. There's been several debates about why especially progamers should refrain from QQing. And no, even if a nobel prize winner came into my house and told me "it's obvious like this, idiot" I wouldn't believe him until he showed me why. You've got strange opinions. Keep trusting the authorities. Statistics aren't going to show you this. You're like a first grader trying to have Feynman teach you how the special theory of relatively affect electricity and magnetism, you don't have the base to understand the problem. Statistics are an approach that is a great way of approximating the issue for those who can't argue it from more basic principles. (in this example, if your mechanics are bad, your race will always seem UP) As for my "trust of authority", I was merely pointing out that strong players can get away with more without getting banned, not that everything they say is true.
And I was merely pointing out that what he wrote was stupid and total bullshit.
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Enjoyed Cliiiiiiide's play today. + Show Spoiler +Interesting that there have been no 3-0's or 0-3's in these round robins.
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On December 21 2010 23:23 Ner0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 23:17 m3ss wrote: is there any way to rewatch these games? ty It'll be under the latest videos here: http://www.livestream.com/nero22 , and also available on the website in the OP. Thanks Asha for the write-ups! Just wanted to say that I cleaned up the VODs and everything is labeled now. Good job on OP for keeping team names and the correct races, guess tlpd needs an update?
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Seems silly(considering the work you went through to stream the group stages) but, streaming the quarter finals tonight Nero?
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this means YGosu invitational and GOMTV's Gisado will stream at same time -.-?
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On December 23 2010 10:48 Reptilia wrote: this means YGosu invitational and GOMTV's Gisado will stream at same time -.-? I second this. I am getting confused, are they exactly the same time?
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Yep they are both set for 7 pm KST. FD is the only one with a conflict though since its PvZ night for Gisado, still makes it interesting though...hope for a zerg run like MVP did last night.
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On December 23 2010 12:34 Xxavi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 10:48 Reptilia wrote: this means YGosu invitational and GOMTV's Gisado will stream at same time -.-? I second this. I am getting confused, are they exactly the same time?
It appears so. Gisado is on GOM and Ygosu is on Daum, but they start at the same time.
Tonight is ZvP though, so the only player affected is FruitDealer.
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Also Zenio played last night and isn't even listed as participating in the Gisado....weird
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On December 23 2010 13:06 Baffels wrote: Also Zenio played last night and isn't even listed as participating in the Gisado....weird This. That's confusing as well.
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On December 23 2010 10:42 Baffels wrote:Seems silly(considering the work you went through to stream the group stages) but, streaming the quarter finals tonight Nero? Should be!
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^ Thanks mate =)
MC vs Virus up first (I think), MC looking to fourgate while Virus looks to expand early. MC rolls right over him...pretty sure it's Virus, they're playing off replays today though.
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Virus scouts 4gate and still responds pretty badly. Mc's sentry heavy 4wg army takes the easy win edit: noticed these casted games are replays and the time isn't even covered...lol
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how could i miss this until today? oO
interesting matches today. mc still destroys terrans left and right...
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The spoiler tag isn't working for cezanne vs. hannibal in the OP btw.
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whoa clide vs losira is live?
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Clide vs Losira is now starting. It looks like we had a mix of live matchs and cast replays due to GOMs event being at the same time.
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On December 23 2010 20:32 Ner0 wrote: Clide vs Losira is now starting. It looks like we had a mix of live matchs and cast replays due to GOMs event being at the same time.
What GOMTV event? :o
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On December 23 2010 20:42 Piski wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 20:32 Ner0 wrote: Clide vs Losira is now starting. It looks like we had a mix of live matchs and cast replays due to GOMs event being at the same time. What GOMTV event? :o
The Gisado King of the Hill event is being streamed by Gom
Any updates on how Clide vs Losira is going?
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Clide goes bunker contain at bottom of ramp into fast expo. Roaches break the contain and force a liftoff of Clide's nat expo. Clide stabilizes, relands at natural, and pressures with 3-5 blue flame hellions, some success. 2 base timing push from Clide with ~6 tanks, hellions, marines hits Losira's natural with only 10-15 roaches. Good tank spread, so while Losira flanks tanks with roaches and takes most of them out, Clide kills off ~15 drones at the natural. Clide reinforces and Losira GGs.
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On December 23 2010 20:43 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 20:42 Piski wrote:On December 23 2010 20:32 Ner0 wrote: Clide vs Losira is now starting. It looks like we had a mix of live matchs and cast replays due to GOMs event being at the same time. What GOMTV event? :o The Gisado King of the Hill event is being streamed by Gom Any updates on how Clide vs Losira is going? Clide won g1 with some tank pressure, nice helions harrassment which killed like brazillion of drones. G2 on Metal' is going on.
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On December 23 2010 20:51 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 20:43 Asha` wrote:On December 23 2010 20:42 Piski wrote:On December 23 2010 20:32 Ner0 wrote: Clide vs Losira is now starting. It looks like we had a mix of live matchs and cast replays due to GOMs event being at the same time. What GOMTV event? :o The Gisado King of the Hill event is being streamed by Gom Any updates on how Clide vs Losira is going? Clide won g1 with some tank pressure, nice helions harrassment which killed like brazillion of drones. G2 on Metal' is going on. You mean shakuras right? Anyways, great control by Clide!
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ogsmc vs clide semis is gonna be sick. can cliiiide prove that mc isn't unbeatable at pvt?
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On December 23 2010 21:16 iNversion wrote: ogsmc vs clide semis is gonna be sick. can cliiiide prove that mc isn't unbeatable at pvt? yes, im also very pumped for this match. i like that clide is one of the few terrans that dont fear going into the lategame against anyone.
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Edit: Never mind, I'm a dumb ass. Sorry everyone.
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If MC ends up playing 3 PvTs in a row this could be a rather lopsided end to the tourney.
Interested to see if any T can slow down Iron's dominance.
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holyshit Bomber for the next bonjwa ! Third game on Shakuras is the epicness
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On December 23 2010 22:01 Ummbeefy wrote: If MC ends up playing 3 PvTs in a row this could be a rather lopsided end to the tourney.
Interested to see if any T can slow down Iron's dominance.
Bomber already beat MC in the group stages (though that was Bo1?) so he's definitely capable of taking games off him.
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On December 23 2010 22:01 Arceus wrote: holyshit Bomber for the next bonjwa ! Third game on Shakuras is the epicness
Yeah, who is this fella? Haven't seen him around the GSL yet. (Maybe I have but can't remember) Being able to manhandle Fruitdealer the way he did in that previous game is no small feat. Really looking forward to see more games from him!
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On December 23 2010 22:04 general.snus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 22:01 Arceus wrote: holyshit Bomber for the next bonjwa ! Third game on Shakuras is the epicness Yeah, who is this fella? Haven't seen him around the GSL yet. (Maybe I have but can't remember) Being able to manhandle Fruitdealer the way he did in that previous game is no small feat. Really looking forward to see more games from him!
Ret said earlier in the thread that Bomber is NsP_Fancy ^^
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On December 23 2010 22:06 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 22:04 general.snus wrote:On December 23 2010 22:01 Arceus wrote: holyshit Bomber for the next bonjwa ! Third game on Shakuras is the epicness Yeah, who is this fella? Haven't seen him around the GSL yet. (Maybe I have but can't remember) Being able to manhandle Fruitdealer the way he did in that previous game is no small feat. Really looking forward to see more games from him! Ret said earlier in the thread that Bomber is NsP_Fancy ^^
Ah, thanks for the info! These Koreans need to stop changing their nicknames all the time!
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Did anyone see that epic hold in the Ro8? PvZ, lost temple.
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Edit- Disregard, didn't realize that streamer switched to gisado koth
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Dammit, fell asleep again just 1 hour before the games.. woke up to motherships and void rays... AWESOME STUFF!! .. GSL 4 is gonna be so awesome.
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Are the vods available somewhere? Links in OP just show commericals and then nothing...
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On December 27 2010 20:35 ParasitJonte wrote: Are the vods available somewhere? Links in OP just show commericals and then nothing... only the vods of group A & B are uploaded as of now. you have to go thru a couple of ads before actually watching the vods
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On December 27 2010 20:35 ParasitJonte wrote: Are the vods available somewhere? Links in OP just show commericals and then nothing... Everything should be saved on my stream... though I'll need to make room before the matches start tonight.
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Definitely putting my money on MC beast.
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MC vs terrans, lets see how he does this time, put my coins on him.
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Are smaller tournaments like ygosu not on the calendar because they are so hard to track? We had it up last time.
2am PST, so 3h 15m to go!
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Lag is being terrible. Constantly buffering :[
Anyone else?
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Yea, its bad today, last time i was watching i was getting around 400-500 kps for the stream, now only around 100-200 which isnt enough.
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Is there ANYONE who can get a lag free stream? Really want to see MC vs Clide.
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Semi finals is on now right?
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Damn did I miss mc vs clide or are the 2 terrans playing first
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livestream access denied due to maximum amount of viewers reached
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If I understand these playxp posts correctly, MC won 3-0
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Blargh, missed the MC vs Clide games and now I'm too dumb to get the Korean stream working for the second semi xD
Ty for the updates.
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Got it to work somehow...keep clicking back the bar at the bottom until its a minute behind then no lags...for me anyway.
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MC 3:0 Clide
St.Bomber 3:0 HannibalPrime
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Well, I'm certainly interested in a Bomber vs MC final since Bomber beat MC in the group stage. He seems to be doing very well of late, so we get to find out whether that Bo1 in the groups was indicative of future success or just part of that 5% loss rate in MC's PvT xD
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On December 28 2010 21:09 Asha` wrote: Well, I'm certainly interested in a Bomber vs MC final since Bomber beat MC in the group stage. He seems to be doing very well of late, so we get to find out whether that Bo1 in the groups was indicative of future success or just part of that 5% loss rate in MC's PvT xD
I really think it might be the 5% tail end lol
Why MCvT so good? From being dismantled by PoltPrime in GSL1 to total and utter dominance of PvT.
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ST_Bomber looks really strong
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Would you recommend the Clide vs MC series to watch? I would like to because I love Clides style but the vods needing a thousand years to load (and closing after 3 minutes watching). So will the work it worth?
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On December 28 2010 20:49 mongorie wrote: Got it to work somehow...keep clicking back the bar at the bottom until its a minute behind then no lags...for me anyway. I tried this, but the player would skip 1-3 minute ahead after I did it. Oh well. Hopefully the Finals are lag free for me or someone else.
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Where can I watch these games?
Didn't catch them
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Yeah, I've been really impressed with ST_Bomber's play. MC wrecking terrans is not special anymore, but Bomber did win that epic macro game against Fruitdealer and has in general just been doing great.
Sadly, he's not even A-code.
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LoL July joked that ST_Bomber is the Flash of SCII.
Im sure he will get code S in no time.
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On December 29 2010 13:22 Xxavi wrote:Where can I watch these games? Didn't catch them
Same here, I can't find links or anything.
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The spoilers don't to be serving any purpose
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Can anyone tell me who won on what maps for the Ro8 matches that went to 3 games?
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is mc still playing tonight? wont this interfere with the gisado tourney? im confused..
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It's on GOMTV, just click go live -> HQ (it's free).
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no, thats the gisado all star tournament. this is a different non gom private event
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On December 30 2010 19:04 yowza wrote: It's on GOMTV, just click go live -> HQ (it's free).
That's the Gisado challenge thing, not the YGosu finals
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guys where can i see the final?
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On December 30 2010 19:06 Kokujin wrote: no, thats the gisado all star tournament. this is a different non gom private event Oh soz, restream of ygosu is here.
http://www.livestream.com/nero22
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what's the result so far?
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On December 30 2010 19:13 Zea! wrote: what's the result so far? It's the first game.
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Streaming, lag is terrible like before.
Bomber, going Terran air vs MC. If someone can get a better restream, please get on it.
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On December 30 2010 19:16 Ner0 wrote: Streaming, lag is terrible like before.
Bomber, going Terran air vs MC. If someone can get a better restream, please get on it. Is it livestream or the tournament stream you're having trouble with? Anyways thanks for the effort.
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Bomber caught MC's army out of position in the middle of the map, Collossi got taken down and everything else fell pretty quickly. 1-0 Bomber.
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It's the Korean stream, worked fine for the first 2, not so hot for the last 2.
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Time to discuss when it's called "lag" and when "not working at all" - hopefully the korean stream decides to work soon, wanna see this so badly...
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I made the mistake of actually downloading this shitty plug-in... with such amount of lag it's better to wait for VODs...
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On December 30 2010 19:25 sleepingdog wrote: Time to discuss when it's called "lag" and when "not working at all" - hopefully the korean stream decides to work soon, wanna see this so badly... Yeah especially because Bomber is proving to be more than a challenge to the PvT god.
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Someone call in some favors from Korea :[
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Wow, Bomber showing MC how it's done, another well-played game. 2-0 Bomber.
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Umm, it says 3 next to Bomber's name now and it said 2 last game, are you sure it's not 3-0?
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lol
well that just made me feel stupid
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Erm, so whats the score now?
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lol terran made 7 bunkers, mc waits outside his base. Terran salvages them moves out and dies.
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Damn, its just not watchable
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Seems that MC won LT, stream lagged at the end.
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On December 30 2010 19:52 SagaSan wrote: Seems that MC won LT, stream lagged at the end. Much obliged.
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Yeah MC won, it's now 2-1.
Hmmm...I can watch it fine without lag, but if I try to stream it looks really laggy on the stream. Does anyone know why this is? You can see if this is any better but I don't think it is...
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/furong
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If anyone is able to watch the original Korean Stream without a lot of lag do they fancy providing some kind of play by play report? That or offer another restream since the original does seem to be lagging awfully for most people <3
ed: ah FuRong, thanks for trying too
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probably your settings furong thanks for trying too. Maybe try livestream/justin
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Thanks for trying FuRong, but it's not better than nero's stream.
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LOL manner mules all over MC's natural.
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Looks like bomber is 3-1 up.
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Well I can LR at least...
Cross positions Metalopolis, Bomber went for one rax expo while MC did 3 gate opening. MC tried to push with Stalker/Sentry while adding expo himself but Bomber managed to hold it off with Bunkers. Bomber macroed hard and was up about 30 food, getting Vikings when he saw MC adding Collosus. Bomber pushed out with about 180 good vs MC's 150, engagement near the middle of the map was close but Bomber's Marauders were just too overwhelming. 3-1 Bomber.
Game 5 on Delta Quadrant, close positions.
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Bomber's play is really solid...although I have to admit I'm still a bit disappointed. Haven't seen much from him and considering how he supposedly crushed souls in TvP lately I thought he had some "special" tweaks, strats, builds, whatever that made him superior of other terrans in this matchup.
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4 gate does a lot of dmg, bomber drops and pushes front to all in but mc gets a dt warped into bomber's base and one to defend. bomber ggs, 3-2
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This is a Bo7 I assume? Didn't think that MC would struggle so hard versus a Terran.
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Bomber opens 1-1-1, MC scouts it and goes 4 gate. MC sneaks a Probe into Bomber's base and makes Pylon in his natural, Bomber doesn't scout it. Bomber with Bunker waiting to defend the front, but MC warps in units at the hidden pylon and attacks from the back. Bomber doesn't have enough to defend, he pulls all workers and holds it off but is down to 8 SCVs.
Bomber loads up everything he has left into Medivacs for one final all-in, but MC meanwhile has teched to DTs and Bomber has no detection. MC has one DT in Bomber's mineral line and another one to defend the Medivac drop in his main, Bomber's force is destroyed and he ggs.
3-2 Bomber
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Score is tied at 3-3 now.
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Game 6 on Scrap Station, MC at 11 o'clock, Bomber at 2 o'clock.
Bomber opens 2 rax, MC opens 2 gate Stargate for fast Void Rays. Bomber moves out of his main at the same time VR arrives in his base. VR begins killing SCVs, Bomber decides to continue his push regardless. Bomber's force gets to MC's base but is repelled by forcefields. Meanwhile the VR has 15 kills, Bomber taps out.
Seems that Bomber is winning the macro games but losing to random stuff early game.
3-3 now, final set coming up.
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MC pokes in with 1 VR when terran is across the map, he has to all in which is stopped and dies to 1 VR
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siiiiick comeback from 1-3 by MC to crush bomber 3x in a row.
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so it's now 3-3 or 4-3 ??
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MC didn't like mules in game 4 ... GG MC >>>
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MC completes the comeback to take the series 4-3 on Xel Naga. Video feed cut out during the death push so only had the excited yells of the commentators to go on, but MC 4gate expanded and followed up with a double robo that let him get out a lot of colossus before Bomber had sufficient vikings and I can only presume this managed to crush Bomber's army ^^
Bomber is definitely an awesome player though
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Final set on Xel'Naga Caverns, both players open with one rax expo and macro up.
MC finally moves out with 4 Collossi and gateway units, Bomber prepares to engage with MM Viking. MC gets caught in a horrible position but he places forcefields well and Bomber can't take out the Collossi fast enough. Bomber's army evaporates and MC marches into his natural, gg from Bomber.
MC takes the series 4-3.
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Wow what a comeback! 2 robo vs late starport was game over.
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Things to know as a korean progamer if you want to win a series:
1. Don't 6-Pool NaDa and make him take his jacket off. 2. Don't manner-mule MC.
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On December 30 2010 22:46 Thezzphai wrote: Things to know as a korean progamer if you want to win a series:
1. Don't 6-Pool NaDa and make him take his jacket off. 2. Don't manner-mule MC.
I lol'd irl.
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On December 30 2010 22:46 Thezzphai wrote: Things to know as a korean progamer if you want to win a series:
1. Don't 6-Pool NaDa and make him take his jacket off. 2. Don't manner-mule MC.
ROFL... specially for the #1
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Wow good job MC, I went to sleep because of the lag in the 4th game but I was saying in nero's stream chat how I think he will come back woot I was "OGsMC" in there
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On December 30 2010 22:46 Thezzphai wrote: Things to know as a korean progamer if you want to win a series:
1. Don't 6-Pool NaDa and make him take his jacket off. 2. Don't manner-mule MC. Hahaha, I remember the first one, that was Leenock, right?
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Yeah, it was Leenock. Are there any VODs or replays up?
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Replays would be nice, but does anyone know of releasing them is even planned?
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i cant wait for vods! where will they be hosted?
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On December 31 2010 10:48 ShaperofDreams wrote: i cant wait for vods! where will they be hosted?
bump, I need these VODs!
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the VODS are all up in the first link in the OP...
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Is anyone else getting malware warnings from the first page in this thread? Google chrome seems to think www.ygosu.com is hosting malware.
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Yeah, I'm getting it as well. But I trust TL over Chrome, so I ignored it. =P
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wow those vods really dont work at all
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