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On December 08 2010 15:20 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 12:59 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 08 2010 12:47 Fa1nT wrote:On December 08 2010 12:43 JoeSchmoe wrote:
just watched jinro game 1, does a all-in. seriously what terran doesn't all-in nowadays? None, because you don't know what an all in is so you think everything they do is one. Leaving 20 scv + mules at base = all in? he pulled half his scvs, remainder are for reinforcements. No expo on push, what's he gonna do if he lost that? Go 1 base vs 2 down half scvs? When has the raven, banshee, marine, marauder attack ever NOT crippled or completely destroyed a protoss's army? Add SCV and the protoss out-right lost. Worst case scenario, protoss pulls and lost all his probes at his natural but holds off the attack. He will 90% of the time lose his second nexus. Now it's 1 base terran vs 1 base protoss with (maybe) a second nexus with no probes on it, and we all know who wins 1 base battles in TvP.
Not even going to bother. Maybe think next time before making a post that just sounds so fucking stupid. According to you I might as well not even bother playing if I'm P.
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JINROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FIGHTING
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GO GO JINRO!!!
Man, as much as i love Jinro, which is heaps, the more MC speaks English the more love i have for that man too. Regardless of who wins between the two, it's pretty clear i won't be cheering for HongUn or Rain over MC or Jinro. Even if HongUn makes a bazillion Carriers.
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On December 09 2010 03:09 CrAzEdBaDgEr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 02:46 Rflcrx wrote:On December 08 2010 20:45 mjf wrote:
MarineKing v. MC was waaaaaaaay better. Did you watch a different series? Because MK got outplayed so hard it was disgusting and boring at the same time. --- GSL today is like PS3 :/ I'm a Jinro fan and here's hoping he wins it all, but I must admit the MC vs. MarineKing series was indeed way better than the Jinro vs. Choya series from a spectator's point of view. More action, less mistakes, ghosts vs. temps, beautiful micro. Jinro vs. Choya was a lot of big army waltzing with the game decided by who has the slightly better composition/positioning for the big battle.
More actions and less mistakes??? What are you talking about? MarineKing played pretty horrible. He was lucky to even win one game on DQ. That game on Jungle Basin was not even close the entire time. He let the one proxy gate did way too much damage on BS. I guess MC did not make mistakes but overall that series is onesided. If by beautiful micro you mean the ghost keeps getting picked off by not staying with the army and no cloak is researched then yea.
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On December 09 2010 06:25 positron. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 03:09 CrAzEdBaDgEr wrote:On December 09 2010 02:46 Rflcrx wrote:On December 08 2010 20:45 mjf wrote:
MarineKing v. MC was waaaaaaaay better. Did you watch a different series? Because MK got outplayed so hard it was disgusting and boring at the same time. --- GSL today is like PS3 :/ I'm a Jinro fan and here's hoping he wins it all, but I must admit the MC vs. MarineKing series was indeed way better than the Jinro vs. Choya series from a spectator's point of view. More action, less mistakes, ghosts vs. temps, beautiful micro. Jinro vs. Choya was a lot of big army waltzing with the game decided by who has the slightly better composition/positioning for the big battle. More actions and less mistakes??? What are you talking about? MarineKing played pretty horrible. He was lucky to even win one game on DQ. That game on Jungle Basin was not even close the entire time. He let the one proxy gate did way too much damage on BS. I guess MC did not make mistakes but overall that series is onesided. If by beautiful micro you mean the ghost keeps getting picked off by not staying with the army and no cloak is researched then yea.
I refer you to this post, which sums it up nicely and saves me the time of essentially rehashing it:
I totally agree. I hate it when people characterize the first game as just another void ray rush. That was extremely technical. There's no way he could pull it off without amazing micro, always chronoboosting and always ensuring he warped in zealots immediately when the cooldown is up. It's the type of strategy where if you're less than perfect, it won't work.
And it's really so ballsy to be so aggressive against Terran. First of all, it's really hard to attack a fortified Terran. And Protoss really need a big army to win against Terran. Small army battles usually favor the Terran. And because of that you really need to keep your army alive especially sentries to build up energy for forcefields and guardian shields. Yet, he dares to keep up the aggressive pressure on the Terran instead of waiting for a much larger army. It bite him in the ass in the 2nd game but it really shows his confidence in being the better player. And making a second zealot in response to a marauder concussive shells rush??!! A stalker is so much safer but it just shows his confidence in his zealots micro.
He also showed his versatility by going templars and using it well which we don't see of much in GSL. I bet alot of Koreans are out of practise with using Templars. Marine King probably didn't know how to respond. He could have used snipe but he probably had not much practise with it. MC on the other hand seems to good with every single Protoss unit.
He can beat JulyZerg in a macro game, he can outmicro and outcheese MK. I admire these people who have a repertoire of skills rather than players who only know how to play safe or only know how to play macro.
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I really hope TSL_Rain doesn't all in. I don't think that he will because he apologized to everyone for doing it to Nestea. Hopefully, we can see how good he really is in this matchup. I have a feeling that he's actually a beast, how else could he get on the same team as Fruitdealer? Let's go Rain, I believe in you!
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300 pages for the win. JINROO0O0O)oo00o00o0o0o0oooOOOO00oOooOO0)00!£"!$%!£%^!!! 
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Well it is kinda late but anyway...My cheerful for Jinro! :D
I am very excited about how well Jinro is doing since MLG. I seriously think he is one of the favourites to win GSLseason 3.. and what that means for the upcoming Code S tournaments.. I cannot wait! JINRO FIGHTING!
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More actions and less mistakes??? What are you talking about? MarineKing played pretty horrible. He was lucky to even win one game on DQ. That game on Jungle Basin was not even close the entire time. He let the one proxy gate did way too much damage on BS. I guess MC did not make mistakes but overall that series is onesided. If by beautiful micro you mean the ghost keeps getting picked off by not staying with the army and no cloak is researched then yea.
I recognize great play when I see it, and it makes me sad that some people like you doesn't. You basically reduced this great series to nothing but one player's mistakes, and it was about far more than that. Your description fits sanZenith vs CheckPrime series back in season 2 best.
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Honestly, the series between MK and MC made me optimistic for Jinro. MK just looked bad, while MC looked mortal rather than unbeatable. Jinro will be a much tougher opponent than MK.
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On December 09 2010 06:42 CrAzEdBaDgEr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 06:25 positron. wrote:On December 09 2010 03:09 CrAzEdBaDgEr wrote:On December 09 2010 02:46 Rflcrx wrote:On December 08 2010 20:45 mjf wrote:
MarineKing v. MC was waaaaaaaay better. Did you watch a different series? Because MK got outplayed so hard it was disgusting and boring at the same time. --- GSL today is like PS3 :/ I'm a Jinro fan and here's hoping he wins it all, but I must admit the MC vs. MarineKing series was indeed way better than the Jinro vs. Choya series from a spectator's point of view. More action, less mistakes, ghosts vs. temps, beautiful micro. Jinro vs. Choya was a lot of big army waltzing with the game decided by who has the slightly better composition/positioning for the big battle. More actions and less mistakes??? What are you talking about? MarineKing played pretty horrible. He was lucky to even win one game on DQ. That game on Jungle Basin was not even close the entire time. He let the one proxy gate did way too much damage on BS. I guess MC did not make mistakes but overall that series is onesided. If by beautiful micro you mean the ghost keeps getting picked off by not staying with the army and no cloak is researched then yea. I refer you to this post, which sums it up nicely and saves me the time of essentially rehashing it: Show nested quote +
I totally agree. I hate it when people characterize the first game as just another void ray rush. That was extremely technical. There's no way he could pull it off without amazing micro, always chronoboosting and always ensuring he warped in zealots immediately when the cooldown is up. It's the type of strategy where if you're less than perfect, it won't work.
And it's really so ballsy to be so aggressive against Terran. First of all, it's really hard to attack a fortified Terran. And Protoss really need a big army to win against Terran. Small army battles usually favor the Terran. And because of that you really need to keep your army alive especially sentries to build up energy for forcefields and guardian shields. Yet, he dares to keep up the aggressive pressure on the Terran instead of waiting for a much larger army. It bite him in the ass in the 2nd game but it really shows his confidence in being the better player. And making a second zealot in response to a marauder concussive shells rush??!! A stalker is so much safer but it just shows his confidence in his zealots micro.
He also showed his versatility by going templars and using it well which we don't see of much in GSL. I bet alot of Koreans are out of practise with using Templars. Marine King probably didn't know how to respond. He could have used snipe but he probably had not much practise with it. MC on the other hand seems to good with every single Protoss unit.
He can beat JulyZerg in a macro game, he can outmicro and outcheese MK. I admire these people who have a repertoire of skills rather than players who only know how to play safe or only know how to play macro.
So basically the whole lengthy post is to say how great MC is? I totally agree he is one amazing player but the series was one sided. I have never heard of a one sided series to be amazing or more entertaining unless of course you enjoy watching people getting humiliated. An example of great game is watching Flash and Fantasy TvT. You often don't know the winner until the very end.
To the poster below your post defending the series I don't know what to say to that. Sure MC played great but one player play great and roll over the other guy who made quite a few mistakes hardly constitutes a good series. I can enjoy MC moments of great play but that alone does not make the whole series good or entertaining.
To both of you. Please name one thing MarineKing did that you thought was amazing and worthy of a former finalist of last season. If the answer is no then no it was not a great series.
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I love that cheerful! Hahah
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On December 09 2010 08:02 Smackzilla wrote:
Honestly, the series between MK and MC made me optimistic for Jinro. MK just looked bad, while MC looked mortal rather than unbeatable. Jinro will be a much tougher opponent than MK.
hopefully all the practicing with MC doesnt screw Jinro up.
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On December 08 2010 17:03 afk4lifez wrote:Choya's new icon on playXP lol... ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Uvp1i.png)
Those games were sad...I wish he had gotten arguably THE most important protoss upgrade. Ah well...Still a chance for PvP finals!
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On December 08 2010 17:47 loafmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 13:06 KhAlleB wrote:On December 08 2010 12:59 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 08 2010 12:47 Fa1nT wrote:On December 08 2010 12:43 JoeSchmoe wrote:
just watched jinro game 1, does a all-in. seriously what terran doesn't all-in nowadays? None, because you don't know what an all in is so you think everything they do is one. Leaving 20 scv + mules at base = all in? he pulled half his scvs, remainder are for reinforcements. No expo on push, what's he gonna do if he lost that? Go 1 base vs 2 down half scvs? you guys need to know that everyone should all in once in a time to keep your opponent away of cutting edge because he know you never all in i completely agree. i think if idra does an all-in for just ONE official match, it will help him tremendously. all his future opponents will be on their toes and think twice before trying a super greedy build or even a cheese of their own
Wasn't the Steppes of War an all-in. He was sticking to one base when Choya was expanding.
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Think i've watched MC's interview a dozen times at least.
I wish he could be on the other side of the bracket. I'll be cheering for Jinro, but i hate to see MC lose. Such a champion.
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On December 09 2010 10:52 Goibon wrote:
Think i've watched MC's interview a dozen times at least.
I wish he could be on the other side of the bracket. I'll be cheering for Jinro, but i hate to see MC lose. Such a champion.
Yeah, I feel like this will be the true final for the viewers.
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PAGE 300 COME OOOOONNNNN!!!!
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I'm so glad that Jinro won, but I became a Choya fan too that day. The thermal lance image is priceless.
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