EPTOn December 08 2010 12:43 JoeSchmoe wrote:
just watched jinro game 1, does a all-in. seriously what terran doesn't all-in nowadays?
just watched jinro game 1, does a all-in. seriously what terran doesn't all-in nowadays?
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:43 JoeSchmoe wrote: just watched jinro game 1, does a all-in. seriously what terran doesn't all-in nowadays? None, because you don't know what an all in is so you think everything they do is one. Leaving 20 scv + mules at base = all in? | ||
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Scrumdidlyumptious
Australia235 Posts
On December 08 2010 10:51 Fighter wrote: I'd be interested in knowing this as well. Also, holy crap! That was probably the best GSL series I've ever seen! Such awesome games. So happy to see Jinro win! From what I've read on the Korean sites it seems like they like Jinro because he contrasts so greatly with the "other foreigner" and they like the way he plays. A lot of them hope he gets to the final to make it a true Global Starcraft League, but they don't know if he'll be able to beat MC. | ||
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silentreality
Korea (South)222 Posts
On December 08 2010 10:51 Fighter wrote: I'd be interested in knowing this as well. Also, holy crap! That was probably the best GSL series I've ever seen! Such awesome games. So happy to see Jinro win! As far as I can tell from the chatrooms during the games, and Korean casters' comments on Jinro.. everybody loves him. I saw a lot of people including him in all the "best terran" discussions. The *real* reason I think people root for him so much is that he, apparently, really tries assimilate himself in Korean society as well. I have no proof of this as I don't know the guy personally, but the Korean commentators talk a lot about how he's the only foreigner to attempt to speak in Korean (however broken it may be - think of TLer's reponse to MC's english interviews). In rekruls post a while back, I noted that he stated that while TLO and Haypro sat at the end of the table during the team dinner while Jinro sat right smack in the middle with the rest of the team, making him more "Korean". Plus he just seems like a really nice guy. The female caster often talks about that  (basically how he's a likeable guy ).Personally, I think while all the foreigners in Korea right now may have the skill set to be S class, Jinro stands above the rest in terms of popularity simply because of how much of an effort (or maybe it's just natural to him.. all the better) to be part of Korea as well. [edit] This is just my impression, as a Korean watching the games in Korea in Korean! I don't speak for the Korean community Although... tbh I think most would agree with my post Go Jinro! | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:47 Fa1nT wrote: None, because you don't know what an all in is so you think everything they do is one. Leaving 20 scv + mules at base = all in? he pulled half his scvs, remainder are for reinforcements. No expo on push, what's he gonna do if he lost that? Go 1 base vs 2 down half scvs? | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:51 silentreality wrote: As far as I can tell from the chatrooms during the games, and Korean casters' comments on Jinro.. everybody loves him. I saw a lot of people including him in all the "best terran" discussions. The *real* reason I think people root for him so much is that he, apparently, really tries assimilate himself in Korean society as well. I have no proof of this as I don't know the guy personally, but the Korean commentators talk a lot about how he's the only foreigner to attempt to speak in Korean (however broken it may be - think of TLer's reponse to MC's english interviews). In rekruls post a while back, I noted that he stated that while TLO and Haypro sat at the end of the table during the team dinner while Jinro sat right smack in the middle with the rest of the team, making him more "Korean". Plus he just seems like a really nice guy. The female caster often talks about that (basically how he's a likeable guy ).Personally, I think while all the foreigners in Korea right now may have the skill set to be S class, Jinro stands above the rest in terms of popularity simply because of how much of an effort (or maybe it's just natural to him.. all the better) to be part of Korea as well. [edit] This is just my impression, as a Korean watching the games in Korea in Korean! I don't speak for the Korean community Although... tbh I think most would agree with my post Go Jinro!haha TLO and Haypro should learn from him. If you're in korea, might as well make the best of it. Honestly if he gets past MC I think he has a good chance in the finals. | ||
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Mintastic
United States166 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:59 JoeSchmoe wrote: he pulled half his scvs, remainder are for reinforcements. No expo on push, what's he gonna do if he lost that? Go 1 base vs 2 down half scvs? Nothing wrong with going all-in once in a while. He's been playing macro every game so far so it's good to see him do an all-in just to throw his opponent off and show that he isn't predictable. | ||
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Khalleb
Canada1909 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:59 JoeSchmoe wrote: he pulled half his scvs, remainder are for reinforcements. No expo on push, what's he gonna do if he lost that? Go 1 base vs 2 down half scvs? you guys need to know that everyone should all in once in a time to keep your opponent away of cutting edge because he know you never all in | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:47 Fa1nT wrote: None, because you don't know what an all in is so you think everything they do is one. Leaving 20 scv + mules at base = all in? I believed that Jinro went all-in in game1. One thing I don't understand is the stigma of an all-in (where someone defends their action as "not all-in"). Going all-in is a legitimate strategy and is a very important technique to have. In fact, in an extended BOX match, I believe some kind of cheese/all-in build is very useful for success. But I voted "is a retard" in the poll because they are obviously not thinking: - Firstly, Jinro has a reputation of playing macro games. In one of his interviews, he says that it's important to have a little bit of BitByBit (i.e. all-in once in a while) so that people fear you. So, his all-in was insanely clever, not only for that game but for future games. - Secondly, his all-in is a response to the protoss fast expansion which was scouted by the factory. The all-in was not done blindly. | ||
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positron.
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 08 2010 13:06 Mintastic wrote: Nothing wrong with going all-in once in a while. He's been playing macro every game so far so it's good to see him do an all-in just to throw his opponent off and show that he isn't predictable. ... so we went from it's not all-in to I don't know what all-in is to it's all-in to it's okay to all-in once a while? Seriously I don't know get what you are trying to argue. My point was that ALL good Terrans will not hesitate to all-in if they deem the situation advantageous. If you've been following "Koreans React to GSL Ro8" you will hear shit like all-ins are for noobs who can't play solid macro games, scv all-ins is so cheesy, blah, etc. Unfortunately most people still think all-in is a bad thing and seriously the responses prove I'm kind of right. I say Jinro goes all-in and half of you flips out like I just deleted your wow account. oh well. | ||
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antas
Indonesia300 Posts
 I wouldn't mind to see PvP in finals :D Lol .. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:47 Fa1nT wrote: None, because you don't know what an all in is so you think everything they do is one. Leaving 20 scv + mules at base = all in? It was an all in... If toss held that off he would have won that game no problem as terran didn't have an expo and toss did. So if jinro did not kill the expo and do enough damage to the economy he would have lost had it failed. that is an all in... But he didn't do it blindly he scouted what the toss was doing and adapted or at least thats what i imagine he did after he scouted with the factory... | ||
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joban
179 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:51 silentreality wrote: As far as I can tell from the chatrooms during the games, and Korean casters' comments on Jinro.. everybody loves him. I saw a lot of people including him in all the "best terran" discussions. The *real* reason I think people root for him so much is that he, apparently, really tries assimilate himself in Korean society as well. I have no proof of this as I don't know the guy personally, but the Korean commentators talk a lot about how he's the only foreigner to attempt to speak in Korean (however broken it may be - think of TLer's reponse to MC's english interviews). In rekruls post a while back, I noted that he stated that while TLO and Haypro sat at the end of the table during the team dinner while Jinro sat right smack in the middle with the rest of the team, making him more "Korean". Plus he just seems like a really nice guy. The female caster often talks about that (basically how he's a likeable guy ).Personally, I think while all the foreigners in Korea right now may have the skill set to be S class, Jinro stands above the rest in terms of popularity simply because of how much of an effort (or maybe it's just natural to him.. all the better) to be part of Korea as well. [edit] This is just my impression, as a Korean watching the games in Korea in Korean! I don't speak for the Korean community Although... tbh I think most would agree with my post Go Jinro!Love love Jinro. Not only is he a sick good SC player, seems like he's repping foreigners really well over there! | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:43 JoeSchmoe wrote: just watched jinro game 1, does a all-in. seriously what terran doesn't all-in nowadays? Honestly, the best 1-base push Terran can do against a Toss is usually a raven/banshee with marine core - and even if it was a 1 base push that was semi-all in, what difference was there when MC did 2 'all-ins' to MK today. Why on earth would protoss all-ins be praised over terran all-ins, there's no need to qq. | ||
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hidiliho
Canada685 Posts
On December 08 2010 14:13 PartyBiscuit wrote: Honestly, the best 1-base push Terran can do against a Toss is usually a raven/banshee with marine core - and even if it was a 1 base push that was semi-all in, what difference was there when MC did 2 'all-ins' to MK today. Why on earth would protoss all-ins be praised over terran all-ins, there's no need to qq. Well said. Everyone starts out equally what you do from then on is tactic. Jinro has every well timed tactics. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:51 silentreality wrote: As far as I can tell from the chatrooms during the games, and Korean casters' comments on Jinro.. everybody loves him. I saw a lot of people including him in all the "best terran" discussions. The *real* reason I think people root for him so much is that he, apparently, really tries assimilate himself in Korean society as well. I have no proof of this as I don't know the guy personally, but the Korean commentators talk a lot about how he's the only foreigner to attempt to speak in Korean (however broken it may be - think of TLer's reponse to MC's english interviews). In rekruls post a while back, I noted that he stated that while TLO and Haypro sat at the end of the table during the team dinner while Jinro sat right smack in the middle with the rest of the team, making him more "Korean". Plus he just seems like a really nice guy. The female caster often talks about that (basically how he's a likeable guy ).Personally, I think while all the foreigners in Korea right now may have the skill set to be S class, Jinro stands above the rest in terms of popularity simply because of how much of an effort (or maybe it's just natural to him.. all the better) to be part of Korea as well. [edit] This is just my impression, as a Korean watching the games in Korea in Korean! I don't speak for the Korean community Although... tbh I think most would agree with my post Go Jinro!Actually the 'real' reason they like him is because of his name. Mmmmm... soju... aaaaahhh... | ||
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nexitustl1
156 Posts
Other then Liquid'Jinro's great best of 5, watching oGsMC I'm quickly becoming a fan of his. Being a zerg player i was always interested in those players and matchups but now that nestea and fruitdealer are out i was thinking it be a slow final 8 for me. After watching oGsMC tho he has really caught my eye and impressed me with his style and for some reason I'm taking a huge liking to his character. I think him taking out marineking kind of helped with that (i don't like him for some weird reason) so oGsMC vs. Liquid'jinro is going to be painful to watch for me! Why couldn't they have been matched against the other 2 final 4 guys lol! Nonetheless it will be and exacting matchup that i cant wait for, ill have an internal battle rooting for jinro and what he represents while at this same time hoping for a protoss champion. | ||
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silentreality
Korea (South)222 Posts
On December 08 2010 14:44 tomatriedes wrote: Actually the 'real' reason they like him is because of his name. Mmmmm... soju... aaaaahhh... I stand corrected!!! I think I will celebrate by going out to drink soju tonight.. again... wee! | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On December 08 2010 12:59 JoeSchmoe wrote: he pulled half his scvs, remainder are for reinforcements. No expo on push, what's he gonna do if he lost that? Go 1 base vs 2 down half scvs? When has the raven, banshee, marine, marauder attack ever NOT crippled or completely destroyed a protoss's army? Add SCV and the protoss out-right lost. Worst case scenario, protoss pulls and lost all his probes at his natural but holds off the attack. He will 90% of the time lose his second nexus. Now it's 1 base terran vs 1 base protoss with (maybe) a second nexus with no probes on it, and we all know who wins 1 base battles in TvP. | ||
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