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Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1637 Posts
November 27 2010 20:25 GMT
#2861
On November 28 2010 05:03 jaj22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 04:18 SmoKim wrote:
btw for those who haven't seen ActionJesus vs Tyler

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11100737

game 2 = EPIC <3

Game 2 is at 1hr47 in that video btw.


Thanks for the shortcut. I'm gonna watch it because after he 6pooled Lucifron he is on my personal death note.
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
KaiserReinhard
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States554 Posts
November 27 2010 20:35 GMT
#2862
I'm afraid to browse this thread because of spoilers, are there any VODs of the finals?
twitch.tv/imkirok
hoovehand
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 20:40:41
November 27 2010 20:39 GMT
#2863
like any good tournament you gotta have a group stage at the start with seeds, then the knock out stage... it's not rocket science.

but there's still a big luck factor in 1v1, especially the maps/starting locations/match ups.

i wish we could have a sc2 pro-league... winner-stays-on team versus team series would be godlike.
dampv
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden83 Posts
November 27 2010 20:44 GMT
#2864
On November 28 2010 04:36 FLuE wrote:
Show nested quote +
There are better ways to do it though.

A vs B
loser vs C
(winner vs first winner)

It's not entirely fair but it's a lot better than a coinflip and it's only 2-3 extra games.


Um.. that is less fair than a coin flip IMO at least that gives everyone equal shot. How do you decide who is a/b/c? A coin flip? At that point just flip the coin in the first place. Your system is terrible and requires a tie breaker just to setup a tie breaker.

The rules were in there before it started, the players knew them, unfortunately that is how it played out. Next time win your pool matches(or at least go 2-1) and it doesn't matter then. By going 1-2 you risk putting yourself in a situation where the tie breaker could play out this way. The only way something like this isn't fair is if say someone went 3-0, did what was asked, and then lost on a coin flip. If you go 1-2 you have nobody to blame but yourself. Win and your in.



Checking what actually happened before posting often stops one from typing stupid things. They all went 2-1 in the groupstages you know, and even if they all went 1-2 and had a playoff for the last spot it's still stupid to claim that a coinflip is a good way to solve this just because you "deserve" to be out when you lose two games. If they all deserve to be out, why not just give another groupwinner a bye in the Ro16? Yeah, that sounds smart...
linduxed
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden111 Posts
November 27 2010 20:45 GMT
#2865
On November 28 2010 05:18 PulseSUI wrote:
don't forget that you could get your self a lapdance from what looked like a stripper...

Dude, that event... I'm still puzzled where Take got the idea from .

Also, the stripper was over with the German players iirc, so wouldn't have applied to me ;-).
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1637 Posts
November 27 2010 20:45 GMT
#2866
Pro division may come with the big Christmas patch.

@ActionJesuz+ Show Spoiler +
another 6 pool. pretty amazing harrass but the 6pool opening is still "lame" to my personal code -_-
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
linduxed
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden111 Posts
November 27 2010 20:49 GMT
#2867
On November 28 2010 05:35 KaiserReinhard wrote:
I'm afraid to browse this thread because of spoilers, are there any VODs of the finals?

Most games are already up on Day[9]'s blip.tv-page, so I'd assume that MaNa vs Naama will be up quite soon.
KaiserReinhard
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States554 Posts
November 27 2010 20:56 GMT
#2868
On November 28 2010 05:49 linduxed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 05:35 KaiserReinhard wrote:
I'm afraid to browse this thread because of spoilers, are there any VODs of the finals?

Most games are already up on Day[9]'s blip.tv-page, so I'd assume that MaNa vs Naama will be up quite soon.


Excellent, thank you sir.
twitch.tv/imkirok
ShyRamen
Profile Joined July 2010
United States322 Posts
November 27 2010 21:17 GMT
#2869
where can i watch TOP vs Naama ?
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
November 27 2010 21:19 GMT
#2870
On November 28 2010 06:17 ShyRamen wrote:
where can i watch TOP vs Naama ?

not up yet i guess. Will be on day9s blip.tv and on his youtube i suppose
powerdawg96
Profile Joined November 2010
United States129 Posts
November 27 2010 21:19 GMT
#2871
On November 28 2010 05:45 linduxed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 05:18 PulseSUI wrote:
don't forget that you could get your self a lapdance from what looked like a stripper...

Dude, that event... I'm still puzzled where Take got the idea from .

Also, the stripper was over with the German players iirc, so wouldn't have applied to me ;-).

lol i saw that episode. that was like end of october, or earlier this month. that was totally hilarious
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
November 27 2010 21:21 GMT
#2872
http://www.day9tv.blip.tv is where itll probably come up.
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
November 27 2010 21:21 GMT
#2873

Checking what actually happened before posting often stops one from typing stupid things. They all went 2-1 in the groupstages you know, and even if they all went 1-2 and had a playoff for the last spot it's still stupid to claim that a coinflip is a good way to solve this just because you "deserve" to be out when you lose two games. If they all deserve to be out, why not just give another groupwinner a bye in the Ro16? Yeah, that sounds smart...


I just mistyped the records it doesn't change what I said. I didn't say you don't deserve to move on if you lose games, just that the easy solution is don't put yourself in a situation where a tie breaker could come into play. That is how it is in sports all the time when it comes to a tie breaker. Tie breakers have to be used in sports/e-sports and when there are time constraints sometimes they can't just play it out forever. And even if they were to play it out, things could be unfair such as the map pool etc. My point was, the players knew the tie breaker going into the event it wasn't randomly decided on the spot, and there was a time constraint they were working with.

Obviously a coin flip isn't ideal but neither is some made up system where a/b/c are playing a different number of games to decide who the winner is. You didn't propose a better system, just criticized the one that was used. In an ideal world they can just keep playing it out until the tie is broken but the time wasn't there to do that. What else could be used? Score differential from the game? Maybe the total time it took to beat the opponent? There isn't a lot of options aside from playing more games, and when playing more games isn't an option then coin flip.

If you don't get this it is simply because you have no understanding of how sports work, and how this situation happens all the time in sports where unideal tie breakers are used because of certain constraints that exist. Players/Teams get screwed often you see it from High School sports to NCAA tournament selection to the pros. But if you win your conference/pool/division/etc. you don't have to worry about it, so the easy solution is just don't be in that situation.

Furthermore when arguing your point calling someone stupid repeatedly for their opinion probably doesn't help either.

Also just watched the AJ/Tyler game 2 again. Very entertaining.
Ozu
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden66 Posts
November 27 2010 21:49 GMT
#2874
The CS 1.6 final started (only about 1 hour late)
mTw vs. Na´Vi
English stream: http://live.dreamhack.se/channel/official/02_Extreme/embedded.htm
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
November 27 2010 21:50 GMT
#2875
On November 28 2010 05:49 linduxed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 05:35 KaiserReinhard wrote:
I'm afraid to browse this thread because of spoilers, are there any VODs of the finals?

Most games are already up on Day[9]'s blip.tv-page, so I'd assume that MaNa vs Naama will be up quite soon.

Remember they have after party... We will have to wait till Day9 sober up
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
November 27 2010 22:03 GMT
#2876


First 1:30 should be pretty intresting, followed by a interview in Finnish.
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
November 27 2010 22:09 GMT
#2877
Still waiting on the replays from Dreamhack for the Servant vs Naama stuff, they'll be my top priority when I get them.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
November 27 2010 22:11 GMT
#2878
The coin flip was dumb. It doesn't even take any skill to win a coin flip.

Obviously they should have played a round of PartyCraft. Winner advances.
For Aiur???
Genzo
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark207 Posts
November 27 2010 22:19 GMT
#2879
who was the zerg that did all that baneling busting againsta protoss on lost temple?

can't seem to remember
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
November 27 2010 22:25 GMT
#2880
On November 28 2010 07:19 Genzo wrote:
who was the zerg that did all that baneling busting againsta protoss on lost temple?

can't seem to remember


I assume you're talking about Daboo vs Tyler in the group stages, although that build isn't really a "bust" strategy, just ling/bane.
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