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Mascherano
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Argentina1726 Posts
November 16 2010 12:20 GMT
#5041
On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165495

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169358

have fun
Bisu
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 12:21:06
November 16 2010 12:20 GMT
#5042
On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.

Well also a good portion of the foreign contenders of other races succeeded the last 2 days and the protoss ones did not.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Altsa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Finland990 Posts
November 16 2010 12:21 GMT
#5043
I found this funny: (T)Aya (#6233478347875389 KR)

Also congratulations Idra, Ret and Sen
AoD
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
November 16 2010 12:21 GMT
#5044
On November 16 2010 21:19 LittleeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 21:17 Sewi wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:14 Dakmaniac wrote:
maybe tester shud start mailing to dayvie =)


Actually I dont consider this a joke. Top players really should send replays to Blizz when they think something needs to be fixed. Who else could be better for this than the actual pro players?!
Zerg players did it in GSL 1 and Terans did not have the need for it so far. Maybe the pro toss players should really sit together, discuss some things and mail them to Blizz. This would be better than any balance discussion on any forum I guess.


What'd you know? Maybe he does


ofc I dont know if he does. I am just pointing out that it would be better than discussing balance in LR threads :p

OT: I am shocked that there is so little info on Select. He is the last foreigner trying to qualify and noone knows how he is doing?

Also, Does anyone know what race Julys opponent plays?
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 12:22:37
November 16 2010 12:22 GMT
#5045
On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.


I'm no authority, but personally I don't find them underpowered. I do however think that small things can make a huge difference and this time it is the map pool. Having scrap station in there is really asking for protoss to take a beating. They got their wish.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
StormsInJuly
Profile Joined January 2009
Sweden165 Posts
November 16 2010 12:22 GMT
#5046
On November 16 2010 21:17 Sewi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 21:14 Dakmaniac wrote:
maybe tester shud start mailing to dayvie =)


Actually I dont consider this a joke. Top players really should send replays to Blizz when they think something needs to be fixed. Who else could be better for this than the actual pro players?!
Zerg players did it in GSL 1 and Terans did not have the need for it so far. Maybe the pro toss players should really sit together, discuss some things and mail them to Blizz. This would be better than any balance discussion on any forum I guess.

ssks mostly practices in private games with players like boxer and fruitdealer, you want him to take those replays and be all "Hey davey nerf this build! It's really strong and this player will probably win the tournament with it unless you patch"
I don't think that would be kosher
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
November 16 2010 12:22 GMT
#5047
Btw, I'm kinda confused... did/does Tasteless compete or not?
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
November 16 2010 12:22 GMT
#5048
On November 16 2010 21:19 Darksoldierr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.


And why do you think, less "pros" playing with protoss?


Actually, at the beginning of GSL #1, most Koreans thought Protoss was the most powerful race, not Terran. This can be seen on the JingJing poll and by the number of Protoss entering GSL #1 (27, the highest of any race).

However, the Protoss entering GSL #1 had horrible results for the most part. Protoss had really bad win records vs Terran in GSL #1 and versus both Zerg and Terran in GSL #2.

I'll refrain from going further because there is another thread for this, but there is definitely a larger issue at work here than "number of pros".
Anionz
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia105 Posts
November 16 2010 12:23 GMT
#5049
Any news on SeleCT?
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
November 16 2010 12:23 GMT
#5050
What, (P)TesteR failed again? Did he just get unlucky, or is he not that good after all?
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
November 16 2010 12:23 GMT
#5051
On November 16 2010 21:16 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 20:40 7mk wrote:
On November 16 2010 20:30 The KY wrote:
Personally don't understand people hurting for a protoss hero - makes more sense to me to support players not races. Would be nice to see a higher ratio of protoss players for variety's sake, but otherwise don't care.


Hmmmmm I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're not a protoss player.


You are correct sir ^^

I play Terran, and if I see a TvZ I don't support the Terran player because he plays the same race as me, but I notice a lot of protoss and zerg players in particular do. Not saying it's a bad thing, just don't get it.

Because there are about 2x more T to cheer for then P and Z (before patch now they're at T level).
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 16 2010 12:23 GMT
#5052
On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.


well this is the same argument that zerg had. but zerg is played only by 25 percent and protoss is the most played race with like 35? it's the whole population though so it does not mean much.

And it's kind of a circular argument because it is possible that this happens :

protoss perceived as underpowered -> less good players playing P because they want to win - > remaining protoss players seen as not good enough ( Protoss as a collective race underpowered)

I think Tester is too good not to have qualified for 2 GSL in a row especially considering how good his Terran play was in the invitational, that we can assume there is an issue with Protoss as a race.

Whether it is a balance issue or just people have not figured out Protoss yet, i dunno.
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
November 16 2010 12:23 GMT
#5053
On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.



Um. Your argument is that ALL THOSE players who were protoss who didnt qualify were just.. bad... ?

Well, here's my argument. If they were zerg or terran, do you think they would have made it further?
estee
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)449 Posts
November 16 2010 12:23 GMT
#5054
Seems like NEXGenius changed to 엔에스피지니어스 (NsPGenius) http://www.sc2ranks.com/kr/80265/NEXGenius
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
November 16 2010 12:24 GMT
#5055
On November 16 2010 21:11 Dagobert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 21:09 Shika wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:04 pyro19 wrote:
Qualifiers Indicating a Zerg Champion again.

Tester .


On the contrary!

If you go by the amount of people qualified to the tournament per race everything points to a protoss champion!

GSL 1 - Zerg winner
Terran 21
Protoss - 27
Zerg - 16

GSL 2 - Zerg winner
Terran - 29
Protoss - 20
Zerg - 15

GSL 3 - Toss winner(?)
Terran - 20
Zerg - 22
Protoss - 10
Random - 1

By your logic, the random guy should win.

But he'll random protoss in the deciding game.
Havefaith
Profile Joined June 2010
90 Posts
November 16 2010 12:24 GMT
#5056
I wish cella would qualify
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
November 16 2010 12:24 GMT
#5057
On November 16 2010 21:22 StormsInJuly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 21:17 Sewi wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:14 Dakmaniac wrote:
maybe tester shud start mailing to dayvie =)


Actually I dont consider this a joke. Top players really should send replays to Blizz when they think something needs to be fixed. Who else could be better for this than the actual pro players?!
Zerg players did it in GSL 1 and Terans did not have the need for it so far. Maybe the pro toss players should really sit together, discuss some things and mail them to Blizz. This would be better than any balance discussion on any forum I guess.

ssks mostly practices in private games with players like boxer and fruitdealer, you want him to take those replays and be all "Hey davey nerf this build! It's really strong and this player will probably win the tournament with it unless you patch"
I don't think that would be kosher


This is actually what Zerg did when everyone agreed thay were UP. Shortly after, Zerg got buffed in 2 patches. Ofc I dont know anyone at Blizz and I dont want to make this a big discussion...
It is just that I think it could give Blizz deep insight into pro-level gameplay which would help balancing the game with the upcomming patches
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
November 16 2010 12:25 GMT
#5058
On November 16 2010 21:19 Darksoldierr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.


And why do you think, less "pros" playing with protoss?


No idea why tbh, but I'd definitely say that outside of 5 or 6 really good toss players it's essentially a bunch of randoms and cannon fodder who aren't up to scratch. Idra said something once about it being easy to get good with toss, hard to be great. Could be something in that.

I don't hear any Pro-toss players actually complaining though. If anyone else has feel free to correct me.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
November 16 2010 12:26 GMT
#5059
dammit Tester! if Genius goes out then this gsl is a write off for us Protoss's!!!!

Unless a new hero rises from the ashes
Live and Let Die!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
November 16 2010 12:26 GMT
#5060
On November 16 2010 21:16 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 20:40 7mk wrote:
On November 16 2010 20:30 The KY wrote:
Personally don't understand people hurting for a protoss hero - makes more sense to me to support players not races. Would be nice to see a higher ratio of protoss players for variety's sake, but otherwise don't care.


Hmmmmm I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're not a protoss player.


You are correct sir ^^

I play Terran, and if I see a TvZ I don't support the Terran player because he plays the same race as me, but I notice a lot of protoss and zerg players in particular do. Not saying it's a bad thing, just don't get it.


I dont root for every random Protoss either, and I am fan of some Zerg and Terran players.
But I'm still hoping for one goddamn Protoss to do well and show how this race is to be played. If not for any better reasons then at least to learn something for your own games.
And if you think that Terran fans are different in any way that's just because GSLs especially the first one have been flooded by Terrans, it's easy to be picky there.
Sorry Motbob, I'm out
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