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On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.
Well also a good portion of the foreign contenders of other races succeeded the last 2 days and the protoss ones did not.
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I found this funny:  Aya (#6233478347875389 KR)
Also congratulations Idra, Ret and Sen
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On November 16 2010 21:19 LittleeD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 21:17 Sewi wrote:On November 16 2010 21:14 Dakmaniac wrote:
maybe tester shud start mailing to dayvie =) Actually I dont consider this a joke. Top players really should send replays to Blizz when they think something needs to be fixed. Who else could be better for this than the actual pro players?! Zerg players did it in GSL 1 and Terans did not have the need for it so far. Maybe the pro toss players should really sit together, discuss some things and mail them to Blizz. This would be better than any balance discussion on any forum I guess. What'd you know? Maybe he does
ofc I dont know if he does. I am just pointing out that it would be better than discussing balance in LR threads :p
OT: I am shocked that there is so little info on Select. He is the last foreigner trying to qualify and noone knows how he is doing?
Also, Does anyone know what race Julys opponent plays?
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On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.
I'm no authority, but personally I don't find them underpowered. I do however think that small things can make a huge difference and this time it is the map pool. Having scrap station in there is really asking for protoss to take a beating. They got their wish.
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On November 16 2010 21:17 Sewi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 21:14 Dakmaniac wrote:
maybe tester shud start mailing to dayvie =) Actually I dont consider this a joke. Top players really should send replays to Blizz when they think something needs to be fixed. Who else could be better for this than the actual pro players?! Zerg players did it in GSL 1 and Terans did not have the need for it so far. Maybe the pro toss players should really sit together, discuss some things and mail them to Blizz. This would be better than any balance discussion on any forum I guess.
ssks mostly practices in private games with players like boxer and fruitdealer, you want him to take those replays and be all "Hey davey nerf this build! It's really strong and this player will probably win the tournament with it unless you patch"
I don't think that would be kosher
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Btw, I'm kinda confused... did/does Tasteless compete or not?
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On November 16 2010 21:19 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds. And why do you think, less "pros" playing with protoss?
Actually, at the beginning of GSL #1, most Koreans thought Protoss was the most powerful race, not Terran. This can be seen on the JingJing poll and by the number of Protoss entering GSL #1 (27, the highest of any race).
However, the Protoss entering GSL #1 had horrible results for the most part. Protoss had really bad win records vs Terran in GSL #1 and versus both Zerg and Terran in GSL #2.
I'll refrain from going further because there is another thread for this, but there is definitely a larger issue at work here than "number of pros".
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What,  TesteR failed again? Did he just get unlucky, or is he not that good after all?
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On November 16 2010 21:16 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 20:40 7mk wrote:On November 16 2010 20:30 The KY wrote:
Personally don't understand people hurting for a protoss hero - makes more sense to me to support players not races. Would be nice to see a higher ratio of protoss players for variety's sake, but otherwise don't care. Hmmmmm I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're not a protoss player. You are correct sir ^^ I play Terran, and if I see a TvZ I don't support the Terran player because he plays the same race as me, but I notice a lot of protoss and zerg players in particular do. Not saying it's a bad thing, just don't get it.
Because there are about 2x more T to cheer for then P and Z (before patch now they're at T level).
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On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.
well this is the same argument that zerg had. but zerg is played only by 25 percent and protoss is the most played race with like 35? it's the whole population though so it does not mean much.
And it's kind of a circular argument because it is possible that this happens :
protoss perceived as underpowered -> less good players playing P because they want to win - > remaining protoss players seen as not good enough ( Protoss as a collective race underpowered)
I think Tester is too good not to have qualified for 2 GSL in a row especially considering how good his Terran play was in the invitational, that we can assume there is an issue with Protoss as a race.
Whether it is a balance issue or just people have not figured out Protoss yet, i dunno.
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On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds.
Um. Your argument is that ALL THOSE players who were protoss who didnt qualify were just.. bad... ?
Well, here's my argument. If they were zerg or terran, do you think they would have made it further?
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On November 16 2010 21:11 Dagobert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 21:09 Shika wrote:On November 16 2010 21:04 pyro19 wrote:Qualifiers Indicating a Zerg Champion again. Tester  . On the contrary! If you go by the amount of people qualified to the tournament per race everything points to a protoss champion! GSL 1 - Zerg winner Terran 21 Protoss - 27 Zerg - 16 GSL 2 - Zerg winner Terran - 29 Protoss - 20 Zerg - 15 GSL 3 - Toss winner(?) Terran - 20 Zerg - 22 Protoss - 10 Random - 1 By your logic, the random guy should win.
But he'll random protoss in the deciding game.
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I wish cella would qualify
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On November 16 2010 21:22 StormsInJuly wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 21:17 Sewi wrote:On November 16 2010 21:14 Dakmaniac wrote:
maybe tester shud start mailing to dayvie =) Actually I dont consider this a joke. Top players really should send replays to Blizz when they think something needs to be fixed. Who else could be better for this than the actual pro players?! Zerg players did it in GSL 1 and Terans did not have the need for it so far. Maybe the pro toss players should really sit together, discuss some things and mail them to Blizz. This would be better than any balance discussion on any forum I guess. ssks mostly practices in private games with players like boxer and fruitdealer, you want him to take those replays and be all "Hey davey nerf this build! It's really strong and this player will probably win the tournament with it unless you patch" I don't think that would be kosher
This is actually what Zerg did when everyone agreed thay were UP. Shortly after, Zerg got buffed in 2 patches. Ofc I dont know anyone at Blizz and I dont want to make this a big discussion...
It is just that I think it could give Blizz deep insight into pro-level gameplay which would help balancing the game with the upcomming patches
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On November 16 2010 21:19 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 21:18 The KY wrote:
So does anyone else think that there just aren't enough really good Protoss players in Korea, and it's nothing to do with race balance? You could probably count the 'protoss hope' candidates on one hand, so I don't find it surprising when there are no Toss players in the later rounds. And why do you think, less "pros" playing with protoss?
No idea why tbh, but I'd definitely say that outside of 5 or 6 really good toss players it's essentially a bunch of randoms and cannon fodder who aren't up to scratch. Idra said something once about it being easy to get good with toss, hard to be great. Could be something in that.
I don't hear any Pro-toss players actually complaining though. If anyone else has feel free to correct me.
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dammit Tester! if Genius goes out then this gsl is a write off for us Protoss's!!!!
Unless a new hero rises from the ashes 
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On November 16 2010 21:16 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 20:40 7mk wrote:On November 16 2010 20:30 The KY wrote:
Personally don't understand people hurting for a protoss hero - makes more sense to me to support players not races. Would be nice to see a higher ratio of protoss players for variety's sake, but otherwise don't care. Hmmmmm I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're not a protoss player. You are correct sir ^^ I play Terran, and if I see a TvZ I don't support the Terran player because he plays the same race as me, but I notice a lot of protoss and zerg players in particular do. Not saying it's a bad thing, just don't get it.
I dont root for every random Protoss either, and I am fan of some Zerg and Terran players.
But I'm still hoping for one goddamn Protoss to do well and show how this race is to be played. If not for any better reasons then at least to learn something for your own games.
And if you think that Terran fans are different in any way that's just because GSLs especially the first one have been flooded by Terrans, it's easy to be picky there.
Sorry Motbob, I'm out 
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