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Konki
Profile Joined November 2010
United States42 Posts
November 07 2010 01:12 GMT
#7341
Damn I really want to see the socke vs sen game now. Seems like a lot of Socke's games have been epic macro matches
timmyfred
Profile Joined April 2010
United States302 Posts
November 07 2010 01:12 GMT
#7342
Hmm...i remember JP saying that PainUser was extraordinarily tall...anyone have any idea how tall?
Chance favors the prepared mind. | Winners don't make excuses when the other side plays the game.
hoppipolla
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia782 Posts
November 07 2010 01:12 GMT
#7343
I wish Nony still streamed, his play is so smooth to watch.
"It's not acceptable"
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
November 07 2010 01:12 GMT
#7344
Nony HWAITING!!!
I Can Fly...
TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
November 07 2010 01:12 GMT
#7345
On November 07 2010 10:09 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 10:04 Carnac wrote:
it would be boring if no one ever cheesed and everyone went for the long game all the time. the variety cheese brings to the game is needed for many reasons.

and that aside, some people really call everything cheese (not saying bunker rushing isn't)


People like aggression and cheese from time to time. But where complaints arise is that every game IdrA plays in a foreigner tournament (hell, arguably GSL to) is him getting cheesed. At a certain point you just want to see a standard match.

If IdrA played one tournament with a focus on stopping cheese instead of wishing for a macro game, people would have to second guess their cheeses. As it stands, IdrA is inviting cheese. He's a greedy player and is convinced that will work. It usually does too, but people are finding holes in his mindset and he will likely need to change his style to stay competitive.
Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 01:13:36
November 07 2010 01:12 GMT
#7346
On November 07 2010 10:10 Sewi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 10:07 Moa wrote:
On November 07 2010 10:06 BroOd wrote:
On November 07 2010 10:04 Carnac wrote:
it would be boring if no one ever cheesed and everyone went for the long game all the time. the variety cheese brings to the game is needed for many reasons.

and that aside, some people really call everything cheese

i love a well-executed cheese, and I agree that it makes the game more interesting


Cheese keeps people honest, it is the reason you can't 14 hatch on close positions on small maps. It is a good thing for the game.


This + Keeping cheese out of the game would make it "20 minute without attack please, this is a game were you have to build a base, etc," game

Love cheesy play from time to time. If every game would be 20 minutes+ macro games, i dont think many people would have fun watching them all day/night :p



If you were to play a 25 minute MACRO game, the game would be boring, it would essentially be, make units, make more units then your opponent and you would win.

Cheese allows us to have micro from both players, where some of the true skill is shown.
Fantasy is a beast
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
November 07 2010 01:12 GMT
#7347
I think we can all agree that the only real cheese we saw today, was TLO spawning as Terran :p
How funny it would have been if he just continued playing.. Then at the first scout, ZOOM in to his opponents face!!
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
November 07 2010 01:12 GMT
#7348
On November 07 2010 10:11 javy925 wrote:
gonna have to watch that epic socke vs. sen match


Thank god for replays!
I am not young enough to know everything.
Kamille
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Monaco1035 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7349
PainUser fighting!
Priphea
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7350
"cheese" is the new "noob". basically anything you don't like is cheese or noobish.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7351
On November 07 2010 10:10 Warrior Madness wrote:
Machine vs Incontrol finals, calling it now.


That would be amazing, especially if inControl knocks him out in the Bo7.

PS Tyler fighting! Painuser is a tough cookie but I think he can pull this off.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7352
On November 07 2010 10:11 Lost1 wrote:
Idra is just predicting too much and is playing too standardly. FE every single game, ofc you're gonna get cheesed. He really should scout more, especially since nobody wants to go into a long macro game against him. I've seen him lost 3 match ups in the last couple of days, every time was due to all in attacks or cheeses.


Zergs have to FE. 1 base play is basically all-in.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7353
On November 07 2010 10:11 javy925 wrote:
gonna have to watch that epic socke vs. sen match

I know!!! I have NEVER seen a game on Scrap Station where someone even took one of those bases with the small bridges (9 o clock and 6 o clock). At least not a high level game... I think I remember some PvT in beta where it went very late.
zzaaxxsscd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States626 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7354
in LB
select vs fenix
qxc vs huk
incontrol vs drewbie
socke/sen vs kiwi

such a sick lineup
Gonzodamus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States273 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7355
On November 07 2010 10:10 papercoop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 10:08 FindingPride wrote:
did he just pull a stewie? a wheeet?

yes dhay hnine always pronounces the H first in nhearly all of hwords


It's not so much "a stewie" as it is proper pronunciation.
ghostnuke1234
Profile Joined April 2010
164 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 01:13:54
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7356
Time to get from Korea to Dallas: 18+ hours
Cheese by Select in Game Three: 5 minutes

Idra ragequitting and throwing his headphones away: Priceless

I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7357
On November 07 2010 10:10 Redmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 10:09 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 07 2010 10:04 Carnac wrote:
it would be boring if no one ever cheesed and everyone went for the long game all the time. the variety cheese brings to the game is needed for many reasons.

and that aside, some people really call everything cheese (not saying bunker rushing isn't)


People like aggression and cheese from time to time. But where complaints arise is that every game IdrA plays in a foreigner tournament (hell, arguably GSL to) is him getting cheesed. At a certain point you just want to see a standard match.

Maybe he shouldn't be such a macro-oriented player then. If someone is strong in a certain aspect, you hit him where he's weak. This is common sense. When the cheese stops working, there won't be cheese.


IdrA isn't weak to cheese. His problem is that's all that happens to him. Let's say IdrA has a 60% win ratio. If every game is a cheese, he still fends it off well enough, but that still means all of his losses are from cheese.

I agree with some others saying there has to be a time where IdrA accepts people wont play him straight up, so he should play more cautiously with later expands though. He suffers because he's the person to beat. People have ideas set up specifically for IdrA.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7358
On November 07 2010 10:13 Fantistic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 10:11 Lost1 wrote:
Idra is just predicting too much and is playing too standardly. FE every single game, ofc you're gonna get cheesed. He really should scout more, especially since nobody wants to go into a long macro game against him. I've seen him lost 3 match ups in the last couple of days, every time was due to all in attacks or cheeses.


Zergs have to FE. 1 base play is basically all-in.

You have to get a second base but not necessarily before pool.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13431 Posts
November 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#7359
zealot beats reaper? huh
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
November 07 2010 01:14 GMT
#7360
Sigh. A "greedy" zerg? What else was he supposed to do? And it's not really punishing something if you go for the proxy blindly..

Oh well. Zerg should probably "just learn to play better" again. Show us how it's done Liquid zergies! And Jinro, I want to see more Jinro!
Change to MY nostalgia? UNACCEPTABLE! Monkey paaaw!
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