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On November 27 2010 03:27 labbe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:18 Kurr wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 Zzoram wrote:On November 27 2010 03:13 labbe wrote:
You guys whine about bo1. I whine about Bischu going out over an effing coinflip. Yep that's the worst. Bo1 for round robin is fine if they actually follow through on tie-breakers instead of flipping a coin. I was wondering about that... saw it on liquipedia page. Did they really make someone lose because of a coin flip? Utterly ridiculous if it truly went down that way. Yes, they played a three way tiebreaker, but they won one game each, so they randomed one of the out, and so bischu went out on a coinflip (Wich sucks because he's from my town!)
No, it sucks because it throws the entire brackets system under the bus. What if Bischu would have won the entire event? We'll never know now. He could have eliminated the person who'll win now or any other number of things could have happened.
This guy makes it through a massive bo1 tournament(over 500 people), through all the qualifiers(honestly, making him way more qualified to play than anyone invited, imo), and then should technically be advanced.... But he doesn't, because of "Time constraints."
Bullshit. I'll watch dream-hack for cool games between good players. But I'll never think of it as a legitimate professional tournament, and will not ever consider results to be any sort of indication of which player is better.
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On November 27 2010 03:32 flodeskum wrote:
I'm not sure if I prefer tournament format whining over balance whining in LR threads but it's good that TL can shake things up now and then.
Don't call the thunder dude.... don't do it.
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On November 27 2010 03:30 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:28 antelope591 wrote:
What's with all the whining about bo1? Have u guys never watched an MSL or OSL? Koreans have been using the group bo1 format forever now -_- the koreans use it! it must be the best system right?
No, but do we really need pages and pages of people complaining about it like if it's some kind of new revelation and and a big threat to the game, small kids and puppies?
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On November 27 2010 03:32 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:27 labbe wrote:On November 27 2010 03:18 Kurr wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 Zzoram wrote:On November 27 2010 03:13 labbe wrote:
You guys whine about bo1. I whine about Bischu going out over an effing coinflip. Yep that's the worst. Bo1 for round robin is fine if they actually follow through on tie-breakers instead of flipping a coin. I was wondering about that... saw it on liquipedia page. Did they really make someone lose because of a coin flip? Utterly ridiculous if it truly went down that way. Yes, they played a three way tiebreaker, but they won one game each, so they randomed one of the out, and so bischu went out on a coinflip (Wich sucks because he's from my town!) No, it sucks because it throws the entire brackets system under the bus. What if Bischu would have won the entire event? We'll never know now. He could have eliminated the person who'll win now or any other number of things could have happened. This guy makes it through a massive bo1 tournament(over 500 people), through all the qualifiers(honestly, making him way more qualified to play than anyone invited, imo), and then should technically be advanced.... But he doesn't, because of "Time constraints." Bullshit. I'll watch dream-hack for cool games between good players. But I'll never think of it as a legitimate professional tournament, and will not ever consider results to be any sort of indication of which player is better.
I can only agree.
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On November 27 2010 03:29 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:24 HyTemplar wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 FliedLice wrote:On November 27 2010 03:12 HyTemplar wrote:On November 27 2010 03:09 Zoler wrote:On November 27 2010 03:09 HyTemplar wrote:
XD i knew it. tlo cant even beat some germans from the ESL Amateur Series. Lalush is swedish? TLO plays in the German Amateur Series and wants to quailfy for the next EPS but even there he wasnt that strong.thats what i meant. he is fucking 22-2 in the EAS leave this page pls, you have no clue... indeed 22-2 but losing 2 bo3 in a row against someone from the EAS IS bad if you dont believe me that TLO is just being hyped contact me in the next 3-4 weeks and give me his results then we will see who got the "clue"  cheers it will still be you... you're totally ignoring TLOs past achievements anybody loses to people who normally are inferior to him, even bo3s.. and you're just assuming that everybody in the EAS is rightout terrible... idra much? i really bother to much about stupid people on the internet... need to stop
i didnt just talk about this tournament my friend or should i call you "fanboy"?
TLOs past achievements.ok here we go.but please after the Beta
just because you call me an idiot doesnt mean i am one of them.if you cant face the truth thats your problem
we will see whos gonna be the stupid one after 3-4 weeks when you are writing me a PM with TLOs last achievements.
Wette gilt?
User was temp banned for this and a history of bad posts.
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On November 27 2010 03:32 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:32 Hatsu wrote:On November 27 2010 03:24 FliedLice wrote:On November 27 2010 03:24 Hatsu wrote:On November 27 2010 03:21 Hrwa wrote:On November 27 2010 03:21 Hatsu wrote:
Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there a loser bracket? And is it gonna be Bo3 from now on? BO3, no losers bracket Thanks. This is retarded. Np. No it is not. why should every damn tournament be double elimination? It is when you have such a huge prizepool and you fly people in from all over the world to participate. Such a huge waste. As for single bracket being the standard, while that could be true it doesnt really mean it's the best choice for every tournament. have you heard of this south korean GSL thing? it's pretty big i think
Didnt know GSL flies people in from a dozen nations to compete. Also, the format is different isnt it?
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TLO is one of the best players in the World..
Its ok that he is playing a couple of bad tournaments but i think and i know that he will come back and rape everybody:D
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he lost agains Zero i think in the EAS who is pretty good and did "raise" from there as a newcomer i think
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On November 27 2010 03:32 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:27 labbe wrote:On November 27 2010 03:18 Kurr wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 Zzoram wrote:On November 27 2010 03:13 labbe wrote:
You guys whine about bo1. I whine about Bischu going out over an effing coinflip. Yep that's the worst. Bo1 for round robin is fine if they actually follow through on tie-breakers instead of flipping a coin. I was wondering about that... saw it on liquipedia page. Did they really make someone lose because of a coin flip? Utterly ridiculous if it truly went down that way. Yes, they played a three way tiebreaker, but they won one game each, so they randomed one of the out, and so bischu went out on a coinflip (Wich sucks because he's from my town!) No, it sucks because it throws the entire brackets system under the bus. What if Bischu would have won the entire event? We'll never know now. He could have eliminated the person who'll win now or any other number of things could have happened. This guy makes it through a massive bo1 tournament(over 500 people), through all the qualifiers(honestly, making him way more qualified to play than anyone invited, imo), and then should technically be advanced.... But he doesn't, because of "Time constraints." Bullshit. I'll watch dream-hack for cool games between good players. But I'll never think of it as a legitimate professional tournament, and will not ever consider results to be any sort of indication of which player is better.
Especially when those "time constraints" are pretty much bs, how many games have been going on during the last 3-4 hours? Just a handful is the answer, biscuit was crying for games to cast for a while and now sweet fanny adams is going on. It's better to play a tie-breaker without an audience than to flip a damn coin, and it's not like the coin-flipping was broadcasted anyway!
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On November 27 2010 03:32 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:27 labbe wrote:On November 27 2010 03:18 Kurr wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 Zzoram wrote:On November 27 2010 03:13 labbe wrote:
You guys whine about bo1. I whine about Bischu going out over an effing coinflip. Yep that's the worst. Bo1 for round robin is fine if they actually follow through on tie-breakers instead of flipping a coin. I was wondering about that... saw it on liquipedia page. Did they really make someone lose because of a coin flip? Utterly ridiculous if it truly went down that way. Yes, they played a three way tiebreaker, but they won one game each, so they randomed one of the out, and so bischu went out on a coinflip (Wich sucks because he's from my town!) No, it sucks because it throws the entire brackets system under the bus. What if Bischu would have won the entire event? We'll never know now. He could have eliminated the person who'll win now or any other number of things could have happened. This guy makes it through a massive bo1 tournament(over 500 people), through all the qualifiers(honestly, making him way more qualified to play than anyone invited, imo), and then should technically be advanced.... But he doesn't, because of "Time constraints." Bullshit. I'll watch dream-hack for cool games between good players. But I'll never think of it as a legitimate professional tournament, and will not ever consider results to be any sort of indication of which player is better.
So what if you just ignore all that have happened before the ro16 and just look as it tournament with 16 of the best players around? Would that be a legitimate tournament?
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On November 27 2010 03:34 HyTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:29 FliedLice wrote:On November 27 2010 03:24 HyTemplar wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 FliedLice wrote:On November 27 2010 03:12 HyTemplar wrote:On November 27 2010 03:09 Zoler wrote:On November 27 2010 03:09 HyTemplar wrote:
XD i knew it. tlo cant even beat some germans from the ESL Amateur Series. Lalush is swedish? TLO plays in the German Amateur Series and wants to quailfy for the next EPS but even there he wasnt that strong.thats what i meant. he is fucking 22-2 in the EAS leave this page pls, you have no clue... indeed 22-2 but losing 2 bo3 in a row against someone from the EAS IS bad if you dont believe me that TLO is just being hyped contact me in the next 3-4 weeks and give me his results then we will see who got the "clue" cheers it will still be you... you're totally ignoring TLOs past achievements anybody loses to people who normally are inferior to him, even bo3s.. and you're just assuming that everybody in the EAS is rightout terrible... idra much? i really bother to much about stupid people on the internet... need to stop i didnt just talk about this tournament my friend or should i call you "fanboy"? TLOs past achievements.ok here we go.but please after the Beta just because you call me an idiot doesnt mean i am one of them.if you cant face the truth thats your problem
after the beta?
ok, here i go:
2 GSL qualifications, 5th @ MLG Dallas (most stacked MLG lineup so far), 1st at the sc2cast tournament
On November 27 2010 03:36 Hatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:32 FliedLice wrote:On November 27 2010 03:32 Hatsu wrote:On November 27 2010 03:24 FliedLice wrote:On November 27 2010 03:24 Hatsu wrote:On November 27 2010 03:21 Hrwa wrote:On November 27 2010 03:21 Hatsu wrote:
Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there a loser bracket? And is it gonna be Bo3 from now on? BO3, no losers bracket Thanks. This is retarded. Np. No it is not. why should every damn tournament be double elimination? It is when you have such a huge prizepool and you fly people in from all over the world to participate. Such a huge waste. As for single bracket being the standard, while that could be true it doesnt really mean it's the best choice for every tournament. have you heard of this south korean GSL thing? it's pretty big i think Didnt know GSL flies people in from a dozen nations to compete. Also, the format is different isnt it?
obviously your main gripe seems to be the fact that it's single elimination, so yes, it's pretty much the same in that regard
also i think it's the teams flying people in rather than dreamhack (listening to the last StoG podcast they talked about the EG situation and about the team buying idras ticket and not having enough left to send over machine or something)
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On November 27 2010 03:34 HyTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:29 FliedLice wrote:On November 27 2010 03:24 HyTemplar wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 FliedLice wrote:On November 27 2010 03:12 HyTemplar wrote:On November 27 2010 03:09 Zoler wrote:On November 27 2010 03:09 HyTemplar wrote:
XD i knew it. tlo cant even beat some germans from the ESL Amateur Series. Lalush is swedish? TLO plays in the German Amateur Series and wants to quailfy for the next EPS but even there he wasnt that strong.thats what i meant. he is fucking 22-2 in the EAS leave this page pls, you have no clue... indeed 22-2 but losing 2 bo3 in a row against someone from the EAS IS bad if you dont believe me that TLO is just being hyped contact me in the next 3-4 weeks and give me his results then we will see who got the "clue" cheers it will still be you... you're totally ignoring TLOs past achievements anybody loses to people who normally are inferior to him, even bo3s.. and you're just assuming that everybody in the EAS is rightout terrible... idra much? i really bother to much about stupid people on the internet... need to stop i didnt just talk about this tournament my friend or should i call you "fanboy"? TLOs past achievements.ok here we go.but please after the Beta just because you call me an idiot doesnt mean i am one of them.if you cant face the truth thats your problem
2 Times GSL (RO64 and RO32)
5th Place at MLG Dallas - being highest ranked Zerg.
Now how many other german players have similar accomplishments? Socke got 3rd at Raleigh, which is pretty good too but compared to dallas, raleigh was a lot smaller and easier event.
I am really getting fed up with the german community - its probably the most negative and thrashing in the world... and that doesn't just relate to TLO. The amount of thrasing going on on readmore.de and fragster towards lots of the pro players is incredibly disrespectful, be it Jinro (before he won MLG), Haypro, Dimaga, White-Ra or even Boxer...
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The Street Fighter commentator is ridiculous. :D
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On November 27 2010 03:32 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:27 labbe wrote:On November 27 2010 03:18 Kurr wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 Zzoram wrote:On November 27 2010 03:13 labbe wrote:
You guys whine about bo1. I whine about Bischu going out over an effing coinflip. Yep that's the worst. Bo1 for round robin is fine if they actually follow through on tie-breakers instead of flipping a coin. I was wondering about that... saw it on liquipedia page. Did they really make someone lose because of a coin flip? Utterly ridiculous if it truly went down that way. Yes, they played a three way tiebreaker, but they won one game each, so they randomed one of the out, and so bischu went out on a coinflip (Wich sucks because he's from my town!) No, it sucks because it throws the entire brackets system under the bus. What if Bischu would have won the entire event? We'll never know now. He could have eliminated the person who'll win now or any other number of things could have happened. This guy makes it through a massive bo1 tournament(over 500 people), through all the qualifiers(honestly, making him way more qualified to play than anyone invited, imo), and then should technically be advanced.... But he doesn't, because of "Time constraints." Bullshit. I'll watch dream-hack for cool games between good players. But I'll never think of it as a legitimate professional tournament, and will not ever consider results to be any sort of indication of which player is better.
No one ever saw Dreamhack as a top professional event, cuz they pretty much screw every tournament ever in every game. Every time there are some fuck up, like schedual fail, or missing information or power failures / crashes etc.
This is nothing new to Swedes at least.
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is the ro16 gonna be played in dreamarena?
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On November 27 2010 03:32 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:27 labbe wrote:On November 27 2010 03:18 Kurr wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 Zzoram wrote:On November 27 2010 03:13 labbe wrote:
You guys whine about bo1. I whine about Bischu going out over an effing coinflip. Yep that's the worst. Bo1 for round robin is fine if they actually follow through on tie-breakers instead of flipping a coin. I was wondering about that... saw it on liquipedia page. Did they really make someone lose because of a coin flip? Utterly ridiculous if it truly went down that way. Yes, they played a three way tiebreaker, but they won one game each, so they randomed one of the out, and so bischu went out on a coinflip (Wich sucks because he's from my town!) No, it sucks because it throws the entire brackets system under the bus. What if Bischu would have won the entire event? We'll never know now. He could have eliminated the person who'll win now or any other number of things could have happened. This guy makes it through a massive bo1 tournament(over 500 people), through all the qualifiers(honestly, making him way more qualified to play than anyone invited, imo), and then should technically be advanced.... But he doesn't, because of "Time constraints." Bullshit. I'll watch dream-hack for cool games between good players. But I'll never think of it as a legitimate professional tournament, and will not ever consider results to be any sort of indication of which player is better. ¨
I have to agree. But it seems like every big tournaments at the moment have huge issues with rules (being completely stupid). MLG : extended series, old maps etc. GSL : No map vetos anymore. DreamHack : Coinflip.
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They should have done a 1v1v1 free for all.
I may suggest this to the event organisers.
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On November 27 2010 03:32 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:27 labbe wrote:On November 27 2010 03:18 Kurr wrote:On November 27 2010 03:15 Zzoram wrote:On November 27 2010 03:13 labbe wrote:
You guys whine about bo1. I whine about Bischu going out over an effing coinflip. Yep that's the worst. Bo1 for round robin is fine if they actually follow through on tie-breakers instead of flipping a coin. I was wondering about that... saw it on liquipedia page. Did they really make someone lose because of a coin flip? Utterly ridiculous if it truly went down that way. Yes, they played a three way tiebreaker, but they won one game each, so they randomed one of the out, and so bischu went out on a coinflip (Wich sucks because he's from my town!) No, it sucks because it throws the entire brackets system under the bus. What if Bischu would have won the entire event? We'll never know now. He could have eliminated the person who'll win now or any other number of things could have happened. This guy makes it through a massive bo1 tournament(over 500 people), through all the qualifiers(honestly, making him way more qualified to play than anyone invited, imo), and then should technically be advanced.... But he doesn't, because of "Time constraints." Bullshit. I'll watch dream-hack for cool games between good players. But I'll never think of it as a legitimate professional tournament, and will not ever consider results to be any sort of indication of which player is better.
Well he had to either win 2-0 out of that three-way-tie group like: (Imagine Bishu as player A)
A>B
A>C
or win against the one that lost vs the one who won 2 games. Like:
B>A
B>C
A>C
He had his fair shot of qualifying. But didnt. They tied up to begin with in the 4 player group. They played a three-way-tie and none of the players was able to take a 2-0 win. They had no time to play any further matches (This is perfectly clear in the rules, and they all accepted them). So then a coinflip occurs. He was in no way more entitled to proceed from the group than anyone else
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On November 27 2010 03:33 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 03:30 zev318 wrote:On November 27 2010 03:28 antelope591 wrote:
What's with all the whining about bo1? Have u guys never watched an MSL or OSL? Koreans have been using the group bo1 format forever now -_- the koreans use it! it must be the best system right? No, but do we really need pages and pages of people complaining about it like if it's some kind of new revelation and and a big threat to the game, small kids and puppies?
i only want the format with the most games, lol BO55 quadruple elimination for all i care... im just saying the "so and so do it this way so it must be right" isn't true for every tournament.
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I see many of you don't know how tournaments with group stages work.
I can rant on and on about the OSL and MSL, but to save time I'll use the World Cup as an example.
Only problem with that example is the round of 16 and onward is a Bo1. :o
Stop reading so much into one tournament.
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