On October 17 2010 06:23 Kolu wrote:
Do you guys realize that there is really no other good unit comp in TvP other then MMM with vikings and ghosts vs HT tech?

Hi

I'm banshee raven marine, crushing Protosses at the 11 minute mark.

Entropic

Canada2837 Posts

October 16 2010 21:24 GMT

#4282

On October 17 2010 06:23 DrGreen wrote:
Stop bullsh1tin about terran being ahead in food. OF COURSE HE IS. He is massing T1 units while Protoss HAVE TO tech up just to be on pair with marauders.

That had nothing to do with SeleCT having his third (a gold) up for 60+ more seconds amirite.

TheWoodLeagueAllstar

United Kingdom617 Posts

October 16 2010 21:24 GMT

#4283

On October 17 2010 06:24 Urth wrote:
Can someone stream this please? The MLG one is unplayable for me.

Have you tried the vlc link? the mlg page is quite cpu heavy at times

Crosswind

United States279 Posts

October 16 2010 21:24 GMT

#4284

Ugh. Kiwi is being stubborn, re: Not making a freaking stalker.

-Cross

Helluva

United States651 Posts

October 16 2010 21:24 GMT

#4285

SeleCT is just too good. O_O

Odoakar

Croatia1837 Posts

October 16 2010 21:24 GMT

#4286

Come on, kiwi. Build a stalker:|

Cade

Canada1420 Posts

October 16 2010 21:24 GMT

#4287

On October 17 2010 06:17 Frack wrote:

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On October 17 2010 06:15 StorkHwaiting wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:12 Frack wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:08 Frack wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:02 Piy wrote:

On October 17 2010 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

On October 17 2010 05:56 Frack wrote:

On October 17 2010 05:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
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if those games weren't interesting to you simply because they featured a bio ball (reading this post of yours i don't think that's the case for you, but certainly for others here) then you (using the term "you" loosely here!) are missing out on incredibly important aspects of this game and simply seeing 'well he made some marauders', that makes you a bad player and "you" should keep quiet!

I fail to see how me having a supposedly "Greater understanding" of the game would change my opinion of the games i saw, i think its an elitist argument on a base level and on a greater level its not really a counter at all to what im saying, its sitting in the camp of "well you just wouldnt understand, its a bit over your head". I have said again and again that just because i thought the game was boring doesnt mean intrinsically it was to anyone else, but im allowed to have my opinion regardless. I appreciate his micro and i think he deserved the victory, but so far as being a spectator is concerned if the whole tournament was like that then id be sorely dissapointed.

i don't understand how you can completely seperate yourself into two entities like that. the 'spectator' who is easily bored by seeing the same units over and over, and the 'player' who appreciates the tremendous display of skill that was select vs nony. i don't understand how ANY competitive player can be bored of a sc2 match simply because he's seen marauders before.

I think his argument is that the games aren't particularly varied and that the unit mixes from Terran have been very similar in every TvP mu today, yet that doesn't prevent good players from appreciating good play. Seems like a reasonable observation right now from a spectator standpoint, the other mu's have been a lot more enjoyable to watch from a casual spectator standpoint.

then we return to my original 'fuck the casual spectator this is teamliquid.net' standpoint!

You really cant see how appreciation and entertaining are two different things? I am not a casual spectator by any means.

quite frankly i don't see the necessity of separating the two. storkhwaiting summed it up pretty well

I gave you a prime example in other sports, i can give many many other examples

Maybe its part of the 1800 diamond club mentality on tl.net but the only arguments i see against seem elitist and seem to assume things about me as part of their argument which are not true, and seem to believe that my opinions is somehow irrelevant because they assume i dont understand how well Select played. You assume that i cant appreciate his micro, you assume i cant appreciate his scouting, and most of all the bridge key of the argument is you assume that because i appreciate these things i have to find it entertaining, well i do appreciate it but i dont find it entertaining, and i cant really argue better than that because whoever counters me is arguing on baseless accusations because of the general culture on here.

Basically, you're saying facts don't matter, only your opinion of what's entertaining. So quite frankly I don't give a shit what your opinion is anymore. You were trying to claim that Select's bio play was not impressive and boring. It is very impressive, and its entertainment value is an intangible based on individual opinion. Therefore, considering that all you want to do is insist on your opinion and have no facts to support it, there is no need for further discussion. Thanks and goodbye.

I gave you a prime example which you have not refuted, i have concluded you are not interested in arguing, if you derive all your enjoyment from statistics then god help you sir.

Thanks and goodbye (did i do that right?)

I had to read that whole conversation and I must say, Frack you have the mindset of a scrub.

ShaperofDreams

Canada2492 Posts

October 16 2010 21:24 GMT

#4288

select is really really good.

bigjenk

United States1543 Posts

October 16 2010 21:25 GMT

#4289

On October 17 2010 06:22 Debonair wrote:

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She was way popular in WoW's 2nd expansion: Burning Crusade. Her team, Fnatic, won MLG twice in a row as the overpowered Warrior/Lock/Druid.

She also still does a lot of coverage for tournaments, Im not sure if she really plays that much anymore.

StorkHwaiting

United States3465 Posts

October 16 2010 21:25 GMT

#4290

Kiwi looking realy fragile... One gate is just so flimsy. Wonder if Select should just be pressuring him right now.

Dfgj

Singapore5922 Posts

October 16 2010 21:25 GMT

#4291

On October 17 2010 06:23 DrGreen wrote:
Stop bullsh1tin about terran being ahead in food. OF COURSE HE IS. He is massing T1 units while Protoss HAVE TO tech up just to be on pair with marauders.

You sure don't have to tech to two t3 (shrine, robosupport) off 2 base to match t1.5.

Kiwi overteched and it didn't pay off, that's how the game works.

Teeny

Austria885 Posts

October 16 2010 21:25 GMT

#4292

so early in the game and kiwi is already behind :[

Caphe

Vietnam10817 Posts

October 16 2010 21:25 GMT

#4293

On October 17 2010 06:23 Kolu wrote:
Do you guys realize that there is really no other good unit comp in TvP other then MMM with vikings and ghosts vs HT tech?

Dont argue with some people in this thread. Really, too many ignorant people. Especially that Frack guy.
I guess 90% of these people that hate MMM to the death is people actually play Terran and cant do a properly MMM push

FascistFlakes

United States81 Posts

October 16 2010 21:25 GMT

#4294

On October 17 2010 06:23 kojinshugi wrote:

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Watch more wow then. Great druid healer.

I dont like arena in WoW.

Her WLD team in BC was pretty good but overall arena is full of d-bags

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

October 16 2010 21:25 GMT

#4295

On October 17 2010 06:24 ShaperofDreams wrote:
select is really really good.

WOW DUDE U JUST FISHIN FOR A BAN ARENT U???

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

October 16 2010 21:25 GMT

#4296

On October 17 2010 06:23 Gautz wrote:
Hm, at several times selects minerals just pushed through 1k, but building mmms makes u a solid player, able to winning with skill, nothing else

hm, yeah.. no

User was temp banned for this post.

Please do all of us a favour and don't bother coming back.

VelRa_G

Canada304 Posts

October 16 2010 21:26 GMT

#4297

Just to confirm - if HuK advances to the grand finals from the LB, will his series with idra be an extended one?

Burn2Memory

United States574 Posts

October 16 2010 21:26 GMT

#4298

On October 17 2010 06:24 Dfgj wrote:

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Hi

I'm banshee raven marine, crushing Protosses at the 11 minute mark.

Banshees are rarely used. I don't remember seeing one in any TvP in IEM, or this tournament. MMM and vikings(vs collosus), and ghost(vs high temp), are really the only viable compositions. People who complain about MMM are clueless.

Tachion

Canada8573 Posts

October 16 2010 21:26 GMT

#4299

Select reminds me of a Terran Idra. He just does safe, consistent builds with great mechanics.