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On February 10 2011 11:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:if you listen carefully to the VOD you'll see i changed topics during the sentence. at this point i was getting messaged by 5 people at once. at one point i was talking about avilo then i was talking about the video. but to clear it all up we're supposed to have Avilo on the stream on friday
oh cmon... ........................................ that's really the story you're gonna go with?
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On February 10 2011 10:50 Smurphy wrote:
Also, why would a player want to compete in a tournament where rules are made up mid-game and enforced without warning?
And, why would you judge an entire tournament based on one overblown event? It is insane how fast people are willing to judge others based on something like this.
I have been following the Craftcup (U.S. craftcup but same difference, same ppl running it) for an extremely long time now and I have to say they have one of the best bracket systems, best website interface for both participants and streamers and most consistent/smoothly run tournaments today. However does anyone make mention of those points? No. However when a tournament admin is forced to make a controversial decision like this, the entire integrity of the tournament goes down the drain for you?
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On February 10 2011 11:24 Puremiss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 10:50 Smurphy wrote:
Also, why would a player want to compete in a tournament where rules are made up mid-game and enforced without warning? Along the same reasoning, why would you judge an entire tournament based on one thing? It is insane how fast people are willing to judge others based on something like this. I have been following the Craftcup (U.S. craftcup but same difference, same ppl running it) for an extremely long time now and I have to say they have one of the best bracket systems, best website interface for both participants and streamers and most consistent/smoothly run tournaments today. However does anyone make mention of those points? No. However when a tournament admin is forced to make a controversial decision like this, the entire integrity of the tournament goes down the drain for you?
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The entire integrity of a tournament goes down the drain when a single player in a losing position manufactures a free pass to the final through whining constantly to admins. Even if Avilo had agreed to re-game they said he couldn't play terran. Integrity of tournament = gone. That is what happened. Everyone who watched the stream saw it in-front of their eyes.
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On February 10 2011 11:23 UnholyRai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 11:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
"This is avilo going shopping"
if you listen carefully to the VOD you'll see i changed topics during the sentence. at this point i was getting messaged by 5 people at once. at one point i was talking about avilo then i was talking about the video. but to clear it all up we're supposed to have Avilo on the stream on friday oh cmon... ........................................ that's really the story you're gonna go with?
i think the VOD will be published shortly.
if it is important check it out yourself.
you pulled my apology about comparing avilo to a comedian out of there man 
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On February 10 2011 11:30 UnholyRai wrote:
The entire integrity of a tournament goes down the drain when a single player in a losing position manufactures a free pass to the final through whining constantly to admins. Even if Avilo had agreed to re-game they said he couldn't play terran. Integrity of tournament = gone. That is what happened. Everyone who watched the stream saw it in-front of their eyes.
the not playing Terran was a joke.
actually, BeastyQT was disqualified for BM before the finals.
no free pass to the finals.
Avilo was DQ-ed for not agreeing with the declaration of stalemate.
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Yes of course it was a joke. And yes it was only a comedian portraying a handicapped person so it's alright to compare Avilo to him.
You can pass off everything as a joke or a huge coincidence or whatever you want to but myself, and many others will prefer to judge things based on what actually happened.
I don't need to check out the vods, I heard it perfectly fine the first time. Quite frankly I couldn't care less about you or the other commentators, that comment about the rudeness towards Avilo was only in response to your post about Avilo re entering another craft cup.
My only real concern here is the running of the tournament and the unfair disqualification.
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actually he was portraying someone with "back pain" but no handicap.
you have a lot of basic facts incorrect
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It's a pity the game was stopped. I enjoyed watching it. Not for the action going on but for the psychology.
How a person could turtle so hard so as to force the opponent to become so frustrated and resort to BM. I was laughing aloud after every BM. Avilo clearly won game 2 on the psychology front.
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On February 10 2011 11:19 BloodNinja wrote:
Mcduff - You could not hear the video at all when it as playing on stream. All you heard was Jim and saw the video (but could not hear the video). So it doesn't look good or professional.
as someone who watched the craftcup and IMBAtv i was able to hear the man say he hurt his back in the video and even tho jim said that avilo was that guy i didnt find offensive and never in my mind did i think that man was handicap I think you need to check your facts before you start spreading rumors about what ppl say especially when what they said was recorded
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On February 10 2011 11:30 UnholyRai wrote:
The entire integrity of a tournament goes down the drain when a single player in a losing position manufactures a free pass to the final through whining constantly to admins. Even if Avilo had agreed to re-game they said he couldn't play terran. Integrity of tournament = gone. That is what happened. Everyone who watched the stream saw it in-front of their eyes.
Have you even thought about why the decision was made, the factors behind it? Can you not see the position the admins were in?
I'm not saying i agree with it, or that I like the decision that was made, in fact I don't agree whatsoever with the call. However I am not going around assuming and spouting off that because of a decision I don't see eye to eye with, that somehow the admins are completely corrupt and that "all u gotta do is bitch to the admins to get that win". seriously just take a few seconds to think about it before you write.
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I am not sure why you keep saying he was "Handicapped" thats just kinda bm on ur way of thinking of ppl.
And we will be having avilo on the air to talk about this stuff on friday's craftcup coverage... The dq was upsetting indeed. I did want to see him get to the finals. And i hope we see more of him on another cast because i would like to see him play more and more.
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On February 10 2011 11:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
actually he was portraying someone with "back pain" but no handicap.
you have a lot of basic facts incorrect
All the viewers see is a person walking around in a handicapped manner, and you stating that it's Avilo shopping.
You can continue and try and cover it up in a million different ways it's getting quite amusing now actually. I know you're in a difficult situation and you have no choice but to try and defend yourself, but when someone lies to me I take it quite personally and that's why I won't drop the point.
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On February 10 2011 11:52 UnholyRai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 11:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
actually he was portraying someone with "back pain" but no handicap.
you have a lot of basic facts incorrect All the viewers see is a person walking around in a handicapped manner, and you stating that it's Avilo shopping. You can continue and try and cover it up in a million different ways it's getting quite amusing now actually. I know you're in a difficult situation and you have no choice but to try and defend yourself, but when someone lies to me I take it quite personally and that's why I won't drop the point.
Our regular viewers has seen the video before, and find it amusing (which is why it was requested through our chat) - and we do NOT fullscreen our video's so people can clearly see the title of the youtube video's.. and this clearly states "Back Pain Wayne"
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On February 10 2011 11:52 UnholyRai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 11:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
actually he was portraying someone with "back pain" but no handicap.
you have a lot of basic facts incorrect All the viewers see is a person walking around in a handicapped manner, and you stating that it's Avilo shopping. You can continue and try and cover it up in a million different ways it's getting quite amusing now actually. I know you're in a difficult situation and you have no choice but to try and defend yourself, but when someone lies to me I take it quite personally and that's why I won't drop the point.
Here go watch what was really said dude...
http://www.sc-streams.com/vod/1277 | Go to min 120:28 and listen...
go watch and chill out
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On February 10 2011 11:52 UnholyRai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 11:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
actually he was portraying someone with "back pain" but no handicap.
you have a lot of basic facts incorrect All the viewers see is a person walking around in a handicapped manner, and you stating that it's Avilo shopping. You can continue and try and cover it up in a million different ways it's getting quite amusing now actually. I know you're in a difficult situation and you have no choice but to try and defend yourself, but when someone lies to me I take it quite personally and that's why I won't drop the point.
what i saw (a veiwer) was a guy who hurt his back and was walking around places.. you are taking this waaay to seriously you see in the vod that it says back pain wayne.. i think you and your friend need hooked on phonics
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On February 10 2011 11:47 Puremiss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 11:30 UnholyRai wrote:
The entire integrity of a tournament goes down the drain when a single player in a losing position manufactures a free pass to the final through whining constantly to admins. Even if Avilo had agreed to re-game they said he couldn't play terran. Integrity of tournament = gone. That is what happened. Everyone who watched the stream saw it in-front of their eyes. Have you even thought about why the decision was made, the factors behind it? Can you not see the position the admins were in? I'm not saying i agree with it, or that I like the decision that was made, in fact I don't agree whatsoever with the call. However I am not going around assuming and spouting off that because of a decision I don't see eye to eye with, that somehow the admins are completely corrupt and that "all u gotta do is bitch to the admins to get that win". seriously just take a few seconds to think about it before you write.
You have to weigh up every factor and come to your own conclusion. When I see someone pausing a game to whine at admins and then the game being called a draw soon after when the other non whining player is in a clearly winning position, there's frankly only one conclusion I can come to. There's absolutely zero chance of that game being called a draw there if beastyqt had had zero contact with the admins. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. People can try to say it isn't so all they like but we all watched it unfurl infront of our very eyes.
I see a lot of people on this thread agree with me, and i also noticed some people have specifically registered just to put their point across on this, so it's obviously something people feel strongly about.
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