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Donner
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany91 Posts
September 04 2010 23:15 GMT
#201
On September 05 2010 08:11 kNyTTyM wrote:
that was such bad play T.T
Artosis is better then this


he's just tired... results in bm+bad play
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
September 04 2010 23:15 GMT
#202
On September 05 2010 08:13 _Darwin_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:09 rsol wrote:
hahaha artosis is terrible and now he's crying in chat


Because that matchup is fair right?

Artosis won the major battles at the beginning of both games, but Drewbie just targeted all of his hatcheries and then built 40 missile turrets.

Artosis is not terrible.

AGREED.

those drops really suck

anyone have a replay of the 6 pool i missed it
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
September 04 2010 23:15 GMT
#203
On September 05 2010 08:13 _Darwin_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:09 rsol wrote:
hahaha artosis is terrible and now he's crying in chat


Because that matchup is fair right?

Artosis won the major battles at the beginning of both games, but Drewbie just targeted all of his hatcheries and then built 40 missile turrets.

Artosis is not terrible.


He won the major battles, like letting 4 marines kill half the drones at his main and a tank get 15 kills? I dont think he is terrible at all but that sounds like a pretty rocky start.
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
September 04 2010 23:16 GMT
#204
Every terran that you see just sees uber confident in their matches against zerg unless they're playing idrA or Dimaga. Even TLO, who normally seems like a pretty mellow guy, said that he should realistically crush his zerg first round opponent in GSL. There's obviously an issue with the matchup and it goes beyond the early reaper cheese.
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
September 04 2010 23:16 GMT
#205
building missile turrets is a good skill toi have
Vxed
Profile Joined April 2007
Norway239 Posts
September 04 2010 23:17 GMT
#206
Artosis played that last game terrible, he saced 4 hatcheries to drewbies second big push. When he finally attacked drewbie he swept his army without losing a single mutalisk. That big overkill on the push means he could have gathered and attacked the push earlier and saved at least 2 of the expansions. Then he wouldnt be forced to allin attack move the mutalisks 3 minutes later.

Altho terran do kill buildings too fast.
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
September 04 2010 23:17 GMT
#207
On September 05 2010 08:13 Kage wrote:
Terran reminds me of Human in Warcraft 3 before it became Orc craft. All they did was build mass towers and then upgrade them to be a gay ass pussy camping race. Good job drewbie building those turrets were awesome.

I don't think artosis played much better but this is really annoying to play against. Im sure he's cursing the day he chose Zerg over his Terran. From weakest race in beta to strongest in retail... Blizzard has to fix this

(for the haters i play toss)

i'm sorry but what do you expect me to make when artosis goes MUTA ONLY lol
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 04 2010 23:19 GMT
#208
Um. In both games Artosis was playing well up to a point. Shouldn't have wasted those mutas that easily all of a sudden... He seems to know very well what to do strategically, just makes small but crucial micro mistakes. I don't think he deserved to lose like this.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 04 2010 23:20 GMT
#209
On September 05 2010 08:17 drewbie.root wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:13 Kage wrote:
Terran reminds me of Human in Warcraft 3 before it became Orc craft. All they did was build mass towers and then upgrade them to be a gay ass pussy camping race. Good job drewbie building those turrets were awesome.

I don't think artosis played much better but this is really annoying to play against. Im sure he's cursing the day he chose Zerg over his Terran. From weakest race in beta to strongest in retail... Blizzard has to fix this

(for the haters i play toss)

i'm sorry but what do you expect me to make when artosis goes MUTA ONLY lol

nobody is blaming this just the match up.
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GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
September 04 2010 23:20 GMT
#210
On September 05 2010 08:17 drewbie.root wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:13 Kage wrote:
Terran reminds me of Human in Warcraft 3 before it became Orc craft. All they did was build mass towers and then upgrade them to be a gay ass pussy camping race. Good job drewbie building those turrets were awesome.

I don't think artosis played much better but this is really annoying to play against. Im sure he's cursing the day he chose Zerg over his Terran. From weakest race in beta to strongest in retail... Blizzard has to fix this

(for the haters i play toss)

i'm sorry but what do you expect me to make when artosis goes MUTA ONLY lol

It's fine man it was well thought. Congratulations on the win.
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DarthSidious
Profile Joined August 2009
United States18 Posts
September 04 2010 23:20 GMT
#211
What happened in the 2nd game between huk and machine? I was watching the other stream.
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
September 04 2010 23:20 GMT
#212
Artosis didn't play well but what he was arguing was it came down to unit positioning. If he were to send in when Drewbie had position on the low ground the tanks would kill or tank all the baneling damage and he would've lost the game right there. Artosis really wasn't in a position to send his stuff in until Drewbie had his tanks lagging behind while his mm killed the top hatchery. It's partially Artosis's fault for not spreading creep more aggressively and seeing where this army was coming from so he wouldn't get caught so out of position but I understand Artosis's frustration. It's still no excuse for suiciding all those muta though.

btw I also play toss, trying to be impartial here.
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
September 04 2010 23:21 GMT
#213
On September 05 2010 08:17 drewbie.root wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:13 Kage wrote:
Terran reminds me of Human in Warcraft 3 before it became Orc craft. All they did was build mass towers and then upgrade them to be a gay ass pussy camping race. Good job drewbie building those turrets were awesome.

I don't think artosis played much better but this is really annoying to play against. Im sure he's cursing the day he chose Zerg over his Terran. From weakest race in beta to strongest in retail... Blizzard has to fix this

(for the haters i play toss)

i'm sorry but what do you expect me to make when artosis goes MUTA ONLY lol


He went muta/ling/baneling.

What do you think he should have gone? Hydra?

I want to see Artosis (T) vs Drewbie (Z).
I cant stop lactating
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
September 04 2010 23:21 GMT
#214
The Damage output against buildings of MMM is way too high and makes defending against drops and split armies nearly impossible. At least it forces you to play very defensively, because you can't defend these drops with spinecrawlers. Toss seems to have the same problem (i.e. Marauders eat a Nexus in seconds).
In both games Artosis had a nice build up and good armies, but then he lost his advantage and got teared apart. Maybe he was tired, it felt like he had a lack of focus. Nonetheless the outcome is what usually happens in ZvT, when you are not Dimaga or Idra.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-04 23:22:31
September 04 2010 23:22 GMT
#215
Drewbie just loves to BM, huh? He 1A's to victory then gloats to pretty much every Zerg he meets. Talk about being carried by your race.

-Drewbie makes Marines, Marauders, Tanks and Thors-

"Hey Artosis, make more than 3 units, LOL"

Everyone get as much Drewbie as you can. After 1.1 you won't be seeing him in any tournaments.
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
September 04 2010 23:22 GMT
#216
On September 05 2010 08:17 drewbie.root wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:13 Kage wrote:
Terran reminds me of Human in Warcraft 3 before it became Orc craft. All they did was build mass towers and then upgrade them to be a gay ass pussy camping race. Good job drewbie building those turrets were awesome.

I don't think artosis played much better but this is really annoying to play against. Im sure he's cursing the day he chose Zerg over his Terran. From weakest race in beta to strongest in retail... Blizzard has to fix this

(for the haters i play toss)

i'm sorry but what do you expect me to make when artosis goes MUTA ONLY lol

It's Blizzard's fault for not fixing the matchup for so long, even when back in early P2 everyone was already complaining.
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
September 04 2010 23:23 GMT
#217
On September 05 2010 08:13 Kage wrote:
Terran reminds me of Human in Warcraft 3 before it became Orc craft. All they did was build mass towers and then upgrade them to be a gay ass pussy camping race. Good job drewbie building those turrets were awesome.

I don't think artosis played much better but this is really annoying to play against. Im sure he's cursing the day he chose Zerg over his Terran. From weakest race in beta to strongest in retail... Blizzard has to fix this

(for the haters i play toss)


There's no comparison. In Warcraft 3 when humans went tower tank it still took took skill. Tanks couldn't just kill a base instantly, elf's could repair, undeads could repair. Undeads could get meat wagons, and Elves could get Dotts+ Aow + Golem mercs to rape the tanks. It was still difficult to stop but it could be stopped.

In TvZ what you have is the marauder unit which is also the most cost efficient combat unit in the game, stimming and being healed and destroying hatcheries in 5 seconds. War3 revolved around non effective combat units (tanks) having a minor combat role and a major base killing role and in SC2 you have probably the greatest unit in any RTS having a major combat role, a major harassment role, and a major base killing role. To defend the drops you need to spend more resources then they need to kill the actual hatchery, and they can just NOT drop you if you are prepared, and your main army is significantly impacted since you spent all those resources so you could defend drops at your bases. Then there's the fact dropping multiple places at the same time takes about 40 apm, 3 medivacs, shift drop 3 locations, use 3 ctrl groups, stim right click, dead hatchery.

Artosis' bm is 100% justified.
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
September 04 2010 23:24 GMT
#218
On September 05 2010 08:17 drewbie.root wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:13 Kage wrote:
Terran reminds me of Human in Warcraft 3 before it became Orc craft. All they did was build mass towers and then upgrade them to be a gay ass pussy camping race. Good job drewbie building those turrets were awesome.

I don't think artosis played much better but this is really annoying to play against. Im sure he's cursing the day he chose Zerg over his Terran. From weakest race in beta to strongest in retail... Blizzard has to fix this

(for the haters i play toss)

i'm sorry but what do you expect me to make when artosis goes MUTA ONLY lol


You did what you had to do to win. No one's blaming you. But you can resort to easy defence (AND get thors AND get the upgrade on your base) while blowing up everything with mass range. I think that's unfair that sc2 is far more unforgiving to terrans mistakes as opposed to the other 2.

But ofcourse you played well and gl for the rest of the matches (i mean this sincerely) Artosis played bad that game.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
September 04 2010 23:24 GMT
#219
On September 05 2010 08:22 Grimjim wrote:
Drewbie just loves to BM, huh? He 1A's to victory then gloats to pretty much every Zerg he meets. Talk about being carried by your race.

-Drewbie makes Marines, Marauders, Tanks and Thors-

"Hey Artosis, make more than 3 units, LOL"

Everyone get as much Drewbie as you can. After 1.1 you won't be seeing him in any tournaments.


Yeah, because artosis didn't BM at all. drewbie got tired of artosis' bull and told him off.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
September 04 2010 23:25 GMT
#220
^ This.
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