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On August 08 2010 20:33 Day[9] wrote: those games were like rigged level good. fortunately, I know dario would never do that so, just fucking insane play by both players wowowowowow.
The Thoughthammer has spoken.
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Only managed to catch the 2nd half on the 5th game, i was surprised to see 2v2. I think that we will see some pretty cool stuff from madfrog's Z in the future.
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On August 08 2010 20:16 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 20:04 Geo.Rion wrote:On August 08 2010 19:59 iG.ClouD wrote:On August 08 2010 19:57 Dionyseus wrote: So what's the zerg counter to vikings? Mutalisks counter Vikings. Madfrog just playing cluelessly the whole series. Mutas do not counter vikings if they are microed. they got +6 range on mutas, if there are too many they just shoot down 1 and go back, mutas arent fast enough to chase them down on KR You can't micro against mutas because vikings stop when they shoot, hence what you say is wrong. i said shoot down one then pull back all the way home, IF he has more mutas. But given the fact you deny his natural's gas early on, there's not likely he'll outnumber your vikings anytime soon. Btw i thought you were a Protoss player Cloud.
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On August 08 2010 20:35 Gaxton wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 20:33 Day[9] wrote: those games were like rigged level good. fortunately, I know dario would never do that so, just fucking insane play by both players wowowowowow. The Thoughthammer has spoken.
At like 4am his time?? GJ Thoughthammer!! A True TLO fan!
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Madfrog played really nice, if he gets abit better macro and get abit more used to the game i think he can be an insane player :O
GJ TLO.
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Madfrog's improvement today over yesterday was like night and day. I figured he was going to get better but damn, that was quick. He still lost a quite a bit of minerals on that attempt to hide an expo on LT but he did manage to squeeze some gas out of it.
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TLO's Fist pump at the end of game 5 was hilarious. Then he hid it and tried to semi hide it. Great series, very entertaining from these players but I do feel that the game where TLO opened CC was unplanned and quite random. Queen larvae vomit really is super powerful if left unchecked.
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On August 08 2010 20:33 Day[9] wrote: those games were like rigged level good. fortunately, I know dario would never do that so, just fucking insane play by both players wowowowowow.
sick icon man!
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On August 08 2010 20:37 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 20:16 iG.ClouD wrote:On August 08 2010 20:04 Geo.Rion wrote:On August 08 2010 19:59 iG.ClouD wrote:On August 08 2010 19:57 Dionyseus wrote: So what's the zerg counter to vikings? Mutalisks counter Vikings. Madfrog just playing cluelessly the whole series. Mutas do not counter vikings if they are microed. they got +6 range on mutas, if there are too many they just shoot down 1 and go back, mutas arent fast enough to chase them down on KR You can't micro against mutas because vikings stop when they shoot, hence what you say is wrong. i said shoot down one then pull back all the way home, IF he has more mutas. But given the fact you deny his natural's gas early on, there's not likely he'll outnumber your vikings anytime soon. Btw i thought you were a Protoss player Cloud. It pretty much works like this on Kulas Ravine, you use queens to counter vikings in air and mutas won't allow them to land. Once you have mutas it's impossible to harass gas, and if the terran keeps making vikings it's just autoloss. TLO was lucky Madfrog didn't keep stacking mutas for some reason, otherwise the game wouldn't have been won by him.
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Today's series was much better than yesterday's. Madfrog did really well and I think he had good chances to win it if he hadn't decided to base trade. Once Madfrog gets more experience with SC2 he'll be a beast. Congrats to TLO.
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Mega entertaining series. Interesting maps too.
Great job by both players.
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On August 08 2010 20:39 01d55 wrote: Madfrog's improvement today over yesterday was like night and day. I figured he was going to get better but damn, that was quick. He still lost a quite a bit of minerals on that attempt to hide an expo on LT but he did manage to squeeze some gas out of it.
He said something in the post interview about not being used to the equipment yesterday. Empty excuse or not, it might have played a factor.
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Yeah guys MadFrog sucks at macro he got 2k unused minerals?
Have you ever watched a zerg game before? Maybe go watch some Idra games or any zerg for that matter because when you got 4+ bases minerals always stack up.
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On August 08 2010 20:22 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 20:15 SimpleHarmonicMotion wrote:On August 08 2010 19:59 iG.ClouD wrote:On August 08 2010 19:57 Dionyseus wrote: So what's the zerg counter to vikings? Mutalisks counter Vikings. Madfrog just playing cluelessly the whole series. Funny, saw you bashing frog yesterday as well. If he's so clueless, how come he's picking maps off TLO in what is arguably the most difficult matchup to play right now? I just think it's all envy from you, seeing as frog is where you want to be. Madfrog is not at TLO level by any mean, but he's still winning some games. What makes me laugh is the fact that people is still saying terran imba when there are players who can't lose at all against terran like Dimaga. They should have invited him instead of Madfrog, then everyone would have seen how strong zerg really is. Watching Madfrog losing 50 lings against 2 hellions, making corruptors against vikings and not mutas, stacking more than 3k minerals every single game, suiciding stuff into defense instead of sniping expansions just makes me think he's still clueless about SC2. The only game he played with the correct unit composition today was the one on Delta Quadrant, and he still managed to get over 6k minerals. It's not bashing, it's more like stating the facts.
Dimaga can't lose against Terran?
0-2 vs IntoTheRainbow in KOTB 0-2 vs QXC in KOTB 1-3 vs Strelok in last week's Craftcup final
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Great games very entertaining.
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On August 08 2010 20:40 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 20:37 Geo.Rion wrote:On August 08 2010 20:16 iG.ClouD wrote:On August 08 2010 20:04 Geo.Rion wrote:On August 08 2010 19:59 iG.ClouD wrote:On August 08 2010 19:57 Dionyseus wrote: So what's the zerg counter to vikings? Mutalisks counter Vikings. Madfrog just playing cluelessly the whole series. Mutas do not counter vikings if they are microed. they got +6 range on mutas, if there are too many they just shoot down 1 and go back, mutas arent fast enough to chase them down on KR You can't micro against mutas because vikings stop when they shoot, hence what you say is wrong. i said shoot down one then pull back all the way home, IF he has more mutas. But given the fact you deny his natural's gas early on, there's not likely he'll outnumber your vikings anytime soon. Btw i thought you were a Protoss player Cloud. It pretty much works like this on Kulas Ravine, you use queens to counter vikings in air and mutas won't allow them to land. Once you have mutas it's impossible to harass gas, and if the terran keeps making vikings it's just autoloss. TLO was lucky Madfrog didn't keep stacking mutas for some reason, otherwise the game wouldn't have been won by him. not after that opening mutas do counter vikings but after the early game harass madfrog's only chance was the zergling counter and it didnt do nearly enough. if all those corruptors had been mutas instead tlo still wouldve won the air fight, and madfrog hadnt even started a third.
the problem is not that terran is particularly strong mid/late game, pure mech is but very few people use it for whatever reason, its the strength of all the possible openings. ya mutas are fine vs vikings, but not when you lose a queen, a bunch of overlords, drones, and mining time early. tlo was even letting him get away with hatch first expand, which should never happen.
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Damn, I missed most of the games 
Is it too early to ask for VODs?
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VODs will be available soon-ish on http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod (tomorrow the latest I think)
As for the complaints regarding the maps: Both players voted the maps so MaDFroG actually had the chance to remove some of the maps that you believe didn't favour the matchup for him. But he decided to remove different maps...
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