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On July 22 2010 14:47 HowardRoark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 12:47 HuK wrote:
so apparently tester didnt send in replay i beat him it was actually 1-2 but i guess it doesnt matter It seems Huk won a game, which means the result should be 2-1 instead of 2-0, and since Tester did not know the results in the other games, this 2-1 win could even help Huk advance (as much as Tester knew). Did Day 9 say in the cast that Tester won with 2-0? EDIT: I listened to the end of "game 2" and this is what Day 9 say: "Tester managed to take that series 2-0 despite that very intense battle..." This is big, since Tester did not know the outcome of any other matches and 2-1 instead of 2-0 in result could be the difference of Huk advancing or not (as much as Tester knew when he sent in the results). I wonder, should Tester get disqualified from player further in this tournament or will this be turned a blind eye to?
I highly doubt Tester did this intentionally. I really doubt he did. I bet he just forgot to put all 3 replays in the zip file or however he transferred them to Day.
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Day9, why did you decide to run one match from each group per day, instead of playing two matches from Group A on the first day, and then two matches from Group B on the second day, etc. Now we have a situation where Huk has already played 3 times, and qxc has only played once. It's just a bit of an odd format that you're using, and the drama of the "last days of group play" is decreased a bit.
But that's small beans... your tournament is awesome and your planning brilliant! This week would be totally SC2 empty without this event. Great casts so far, and I'm looking forward to the Elim rounds.
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of course HuK shouldnt be reading the forums, it's just silly.
If fighters read sherdog we'd see a korean pop-star suicide rates amongst them.
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The finals and semifinals are probably gonna be cast of prerecorded replays like the rest of the games, but really we dont have any information to conclude either way. They could be played as the server comes up or there could be a blizzard representative to provide the game for the finals for all we know. However all of this is highly unlikely and any changes made going from beta p2 to live would also skew any match.
Even though we dont really know and nothing is certain, Occam's Razor tells us that its probably gonna be casts of replays played while the beta was up.
About HuKs missing game. Assuming that this is correct it is rather a big deal overall even if it does not matter much for him personally. I say assuming because we dont really have any confirmation at this time other than HuKs word. Im not trying to say that I think he is not telling the truth, I'm just saying it sometimes pays to look at the source of the information and try to get it confirmed before making any conclusions.
If the series was 1-1 allready at the time of the LT game that would have made the game all the more epic and the viewer pleasure all the more great. Being Testers final game after two others going 1-2 would also add to the psychological strain and add to the reasons why he lost the game.
We dont really know how the games and groups were organized either, but that 1 loss for tester and win for HuK might theoretically have influenced the outocme of group B, depending on how much they knew of eachothers games and standing in the gorup. Just look at how close it is in group A and what its going to take for White-Ra to advance to the semis.
All in all I feel every game of the series should have been present, even if only for the entertainment of the 9k viewers on ustream and however many are watching the VODs.
I really dont feel any sort of disquallification is even close to being the correct response to this. Way way too harsh, but some form of minor reprimand should be considered.
wow, long post. Just wanted to finish by saying that HuK played 2 great games today, he just ended up losing. He played against an amazing opponent and held his own, just cause he lost does not make him in any way bad.
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On July 22 2010 12:54 HuK wrote:
if sean really wants me to i will, i dont see point tho even if i win ill probably still get bashed for something
You need to send that game in. You have a right to have it shown, imo it'll be the only game where a foreigner takes a game from a Korean. Just face it if you aren't Korean you're gonna get bashed you just gotta put your head down and power through so send in that replay and show the world who HuK is, the great North American hope.
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On July 22 2010 16:41 jarlelin wrote:
About HuKs missing game. Assuming that this is correct it is rather a big deal overall even if it does not matter much for him personally. I say assuming because we dont really have any confirmation at this time other than HuKs word. Im not trying to say that I think he is not telling the truth, I'm just saying it sometimes pays to look at the source of the information and try to get it confirmed before making any conclusions.
That's ridiculous, he IS a reliable source. What possible additional confirmation would you need than the word from the person that played the games... He even offered to send the replay if Day9 wanted it so I don't understand what you are getting at.
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On July 22 2010 16:46 RmoteCntrld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 12:54 HuK wrote:
if sean really wants me to i will, i dont see point tho even if i win ill probably still get bashed for something You need to send that game in. You have a right to have it shown, imo it'll be the only game where a foreigner takes a game from a Korean. Just face it if you aren't Korean you're gonna get bashed you just gotta put your head down and power through so send in that replay and show the world who HuK is, the great North American hope.
If Day[9] doesn't do it, theres always HD&Husky :D
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Oh Lord, day9 spoilered again :D
I was so carefull not to look at the number of the games...
(watched Tester vs. Huk games before ITR vs. whitera)
And of course I want to see the third Huk vs. Tester game! It would have been much more intense...
Moreover it prooves, that these Korean guys are not invincible. I think, since Tester and ITR are obviously the most skilled players in that tournament, taking one game from one of these, is a huge archievment for Huk.
No reason to hide it.
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Yes we wanna see Huk beat Tester. Make it happen Day9.
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HuK, I think you have loads of talent and are a great and entertaining player to watch.
These haters are most likely just jealous to be honest. If your play was so one-dimensional, why aren't they in tournaments using it? Please, haters gonna hate.
Day[9], who you all worship, said so himself in one of the King of the Beta games, "HuK is a very creative player and is capable of using multiple different strategies"
Haters: you gonna all argue with Day now as well?
Start hating when you actually beat HuK. HuK, don't let them get to you. Keep on keeping on.
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On July 22 2010 16:46 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 16:41 jarlelin wrote:
About HuKs missing game. Assuming that this is correct it is rather a big deal overall even if it does not matter much for him personally. I say assuming because we dont really have any confirmation at this time other than HuKs word. Im not trying to say that I think he is not telling the truth, I'm just saying it sometimes pays to look at the source of the information and try to get it confirmed before making any conclusions.
That's ridiculous, he IS a reliable source. What possible additional confirmation would you need than the word from the person that played the games... He even offered to send the replay if Day9 wanted it so I don't understand what you are getting at.
Please, I'm not trying to say that HuK is an unreliable source. I'm just saying that if there ever was someone that was biased in regards to information about the results of a game it's the people that played it. And as I don't know HuK personally I am merely pointing out that there isn't really any way for us to validate the information at this time. Being critical of unconfirmed of unconfirmable information is never a bad thing. That's not the same thing as doubting HuK's word.
I'll still be working under the assumption that the information is correct and I would love to see the replay as well, as I believe I stated also.
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This tourney is helping me alot getting to release without being utterly bored. Cheers!!
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On July 22 2010 16:41 Sfydjklm wrote:
of course HuK shouldnt be reading the forums, it's just silly.
If fighters read sherdog we'd see a korean pop-star suicide rates amongst them.
I agree with this. I think most sports organizations and most celebrity managers restrict their client from visiting the internet forums and reading newspapers for this exact reason. It's seriously not good for you.
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On July 22 2010 16:41 Sfydjklm wrote:
of course HuK shouldnt be reading the forums, it's just silly.
If fighters read sherdog we'd see a korean pop-star suicide rates amongst them.
fighters read sherdog all the time, phil baroni, brandon vera, rampage, josh barnett and more even has posts on sherdog.
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On July 22 2010 17:14 jarlelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 16:46 nam nam wrote:On July 22 2010 16:41 jarlelin wrote:
About HuKs missing game. Assuming that this is correct it is rather a big deal overall even if it does not matter much for him personally. I say assuming because we dont really have any confirmation at this time other than HuKs word. Im not trying to say that I think he is not telling the truth, I'm just saying it sometimes pays to look at the source of the information and try to get it confirmed before making any conclusions.
That's ridiculous, he IS a reliable source. What possible additional confirmation would you need than the word from the person that played the games... He even offered to send the replay if Day9 wanted it so I don't understand what you are getting at. Please, I'm not trying to say that HuK is an unreliable source. I'm just saying that if there ever was someone that was biased in regards to information about the results of a game it's the people that played it. And as I don't know HuK personally I am merely pointing out that there isn't really any way for us to validate the information at this time. Being critical of unconfirmed of unconfirmable information is never a bad thing. That's not the same thing as doubting HuK's word. I'll still be working under the assumption that the information is correct and I would love to see the replay as well, as I believe I stated also.
You are ridiculous. It is good to be critical of information when it is reasonable to be so. This isn't one of these cases and your little rant about "assuming" was totally unnecessary. And even though a person can be biased about what happens in the game, who WON is a little harder to be biased about unless it is a disconnect.
I am merely pointing out that there isn't really any way for us to validate the information at this time.
We don't need one.
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Day 9, please ensure you cast all 3 games if it goes 2-1, that's part of what makes a tourney work! The fact we were robbed of game2 in the Huk v Tester match cheapens the whole experience for the viewers.
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On July 22 2010 17:14 jarlelin wrote:
I'm just saying that if there ever was someone that was biased in regards to information about the results of a game it's the people that played it. I believe this is not figure skating, where personal bias plays any role. So HuK saying an outcome of a game, means it should have been just as he says.
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On July 22 2010 12:25 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 12:11 koppik wrote:
I thought HuK played pretty well both games. There's just not much you can do against that four warp-gate rush the first game if you don't scout the hidden. Just scrapping the collosus tech when he scouted pure stalker was the right choice. I thought HuK was actually going to win at a couple points in that game, but I guess Tester just knows how to blink.
IntotheRainbow just has a terrific game sense. It felt like he read Dimaga like a book the first two games, and it feels like he read White-ra too. In these games, it was not so much about ITR's amazing game sense as it was about White-Ra's lack of game sense, sadly, As Subversion pointed out above, his cheese could've worked if he didn't send his hidden probe into ITR's mineral line in plain view. As soon as ITR saw that he sent a SCV up to scout and that was the end for White-Ra. You just don't make that kind of mistake against top pros. And in the second game, as Jinro pointed out, 100 energy for chrono boosts... Think two chrono boosted void rays might have won the game or at least made it not so one-sided? Yeah, they might have, considering that Ra lost so many units/probes to those marauders that could've been picked off by an earlier void ray. As far as Tester's games with Huk goes, Tester demonstrated that oldies are goodies. The four warp gate in your base rush still works in the hands of a pro, and blink stalkers are still awesome for mobility on LT. He might have lost the game on LT if Huk had not forced the issue but backed off after taking out Tester's expo - that was a major mistake on Huk's part given that he had an army advantage for most of the game and could've expanded himself. He chose to all-in the rest of the way, and Tester exploited the key trick of FF'ing your ramp that Huk had no answer for (if he had researched Hallucinate, he would've had an answer for it, but he didn't. Why not?) All in all, I think the non-Korean players lost by their own mistakes and failure to capitalize on strategic opportunities. The Koreans played better, with less flaws, and with greater understanding. End of story.
To all the race theories = BS, better players won every single set.
Also Halucinations dont crush Force Fields, ive lost a game in a recent patch because i thought they did.
Still need to see an _epic_ game, or something that lasts much longer than 15 minutes. (TLO vs HuK wasnt that exciting)
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Since Tester doesn't speak English I'm sure there was just a simple misunderstanding, Tester doesn't strike me as a person who would cheat, and nobody is so stupid that they intentionally cheat in a 3000$ tournament where they are favoured to win just to get a slight advantage, especially when its so easy for HuK to prove there was a 3rd game that wasn't reported.
It's a shame that the replay wasn't given to Day9, the last game would have been so much more exiting if the score was 1-1 rather than 1-0. Hopefully it will still get casted today instead. After the games today I thought to myself "Wow, will the Koreans really reach the finals without loosing a single game?", looks like HuK prevented that scenario.
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Sigh. Why upload the Day 4 games so that Tester vs Huk's games show up first, and then say right away that IntoTheRainbow defeated White-Ra 2-0, not warning about spoilers at all.
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