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Doominator10
Profile Joined August 2012
United States515 Posts
May 30 2013 01:46 GMT
#41
Avilo!, Get some of you're replays onto youtube casts >:S You definitely deserve more exposure as one of the few decent NA Terrans (that I know of)

Loved the guide.
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Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
May 30 2013 03:06 GMT
#42
Fun fact: 5 seeker missiles tracking your own medivac is cheaper and faster than launching a nuke, since the damage is from energy and you skip building ghost academies.

Main disadvantage is of course you can't damage buildings, which means spine/spore forest + Swarmhost/queen is bad news
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codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
June 26 2013 20:05 GMT
#43
On May 08 2013 17:00 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 04:39 ThePianoDentist wrote:
hey avilo you tried ravens in lategame tvp yet. I remember seeing a post from dbs (good, but not very famous) terran player who said his tvp was by far his best matchup and he almost always went lategame incorporating ravens with bio. For such a lategame orientated player its definitely something worth experimenting with, I'm still trying mech so I can't test it myself but i watch your stream (well vods of....campus internet blocks so many ports) so would be cool to see it.


Ravens only are useful for PDD vs tempests, otherwise pretty pointless. Ghosts are much better.

Yeah. Feedback is just too dangerous for large raven armies to be useful vs Protoss. You'll never be able to EMP all the HTs, and if you miss even one HT it could potentially disable or destroy 2-4 ravens. Considering that HTs can be warped in from a warpgate and that ravens take a LONG time to build from a starport, it's just not worth it.

Also, with bio, ravens slow your army down, and are really easy for stalkers to catch and pick off.
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alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany629 Posts
June 26 2013 20:35 GMT
#44
you guys go ahead and play your little ravens... ill stick to the manly thing and build my cattlebruisers!
buchaa
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Pakistan77 Posts
June 26 2013 21:59 GMT
#45
i did it last game keeping 6 bases mining while the zerg barely had any.. got owned by ultras...
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codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
June 26 2013 22:10 GMT
#46
On June 27 2013 06:59 buchaa wrote:
i did it last game keeping 6 bases mining while the zerg barely had any.. got owned by ultras...

Do you have the replay of that game? If you send it to djcb11hood@hotmail.com, Avilo will analyse it on Sunday. Just tune into www.twitch.tv/avilo.
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Dezibell
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany29 Posts
June 28 2013 10:15 GMT
#47
On May 07 2013 15:19 DemigodcelpH wrote:

If only mech could be the same way. The most gas intensive composition in the game.



Afaik VR/HT, BL/Winfestor, Pure Mass Muta, Skytoss and Skyterran are WAY more gasintensive.

like not even close.

Also for lategame MechvP and vZ Ravens are also a standard addition. Vs Broods and Tempests PDDs are defenitely necessary. vZ they are also required when Blinding Clouds go off on your Tanks vs Roach Hydra, to be able to secure your retreat with either pdds or hsm to force him to not follow you.

Ravens also add a free harassing capability to an otherwise very slow and static playstyle in mech.
TranceKuja
Profile Joined May 2011
United States154 Posts
June 28 2013 12:56 GMT
#48
Adding Ravens to bio really does seem like a no-brainer. Once you get your upgrades with bio you tend to float a lot of gas. Ravens cost a lot of gas. Now that they've improved the raven and it isn't as easy to get them all fungaled(infestor change) this style should rock.
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TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
June 28 2013 13:14 GMT
#49
Heaven help me if I ever make it to late game with Avilo and his ravens so crazy how effective they can be! Thanks for the guide.
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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
June 28 2013 13:20 GMT
#50
Thank you for the guide! This is probably above my skill level, but a good read nonetheless.
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codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 01:51:58
June 28 2013 14:58 GMT
#51
On June 28 2013 22:20 Ctone23 wrote:
Thank you for the guide! This is probably above my skill level, but a good read nonetheless.

Oh I'm not so sure about that. Sure, in the lower leagues, players are going to have a harder time microing their ravens, but keep in mind that their opponents will also have more difficulty microing against seeker missiles, so it will probably balance out in the end.

Edit: What you'll probably find is that raven micro and anti-raven micro are skills that are picked up and mastered at different times, so there are probably some leagues where one is more powerful and then there are other leagues where the other prevails, and it kinda goes back and forth as you advance through the leagues.
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