To Those Seeking Strategy Advice - Page 4

On October 12 2011 06:06 NM wrote:


I think the issue for the lowest level players is that they approach SC2 as a game to have fun and not a competitive sport. Maybe the problem is asking for help in the first place. For some of us we're having fun and our time is limited. I don't want to get out of silver by building a bunch of marines on 2 bases every game even though I can. I want to drop nukes.

So maybe the issue is people having fun playing who don't want to approach the game as a competitive sport. We don't want to learn how to pass the ball or make free throws; we want a trampoline so we can dunk.

On October 12 2011 08:19 Eliezar wrote:
I wish I had a vod of the Nada GSL game where he got totally outmacrod by a protoss player...was behind an expo, had no vikings, and was facing a larger protoss army with all marine/marauder and like 3 medivacs and yet he beat the army.

On October 12 2011 04:47 AGIANTSMURF wrote:
Did anyone catch the panel at IPL3 with huk, stephano idra and whitera?

There was a guy who asked how to improve and later asked if there were any "Tricks" to improving on macro such as getting workers to mine faster etc.......

I feel like there is just some common misconception from lower league players where they think we are hiding special combo moves or are using tactics other then micro to achieve higher level's of skill.

honestly i dont think there is a way to get them to understand outside of just saying the same thing and hoping they get it eventually.

The lower league players who do understand that the game is about macro imo have already been following the OP guideline and dont need any extra lecturing

On October 12 2011 12:30 Azzur wrote:
I think a major consequence of enforcing this forum policy is that the [H] posters will need to up their game. Many times I see a replay where there are glaring execution (or macro) mistakes. And then many posters will then say, "yes, I know I macro'ed bad, but what else can I improve on?"

I'll go through the replay and will point out the mistakes:
- supply block at XXX, YYY and ZZZ.
- non-production of workers
- idle production buildings
etc

In reality, these mistakes are very obvious and the poster themselves should be able to pick them out. If all the low-level posters followed the [H] guidelines, in reality, 90% of the posts won't even need to be posted.

However, to be fair, I've seen a few replays where the "macro better" didn't apply:

- Another game I saw the terran with 5000+ gas at the end and very very very few medivacs.

On October 12 2011 20:12 CatNzHat wrote:
I think that low level players are probably not good enough to be able to tell when a game was equally horribly macro'd on both sides, so I don't think this thread will have too much of an impact on the strategy forums, but the big problem is that the low level players aren't going to be focusing on mechanics, and therefore they're still gonna be losing purely because of "bad macro". Holding an expansion has very little to do with the discussion of how to "macro better", as someone who macros well on 1 base can usually just walk up with whatever and a-move through you even if you've already outmined them by more than the expo cost.

People who know their mechanics are poor should be asking for build orders and mechanical help, not "strategy" help, as if they execute a high-level build well, they will not lose with it at a low level of play.


All of this of course is assuming that the person posting a help me thread actually wants to improve as best as they can.


That's just my thoughts on the sc2 learning process, I was in bronze league in January, having never played an RTS game before in my life, and now I'm sitting at 1400+ masters, I got here on mechanics and pro builds, and I only delved into strategy when I was starting to figure things out at around high diamond, before that I just worked on executing my build orders well.