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On June 18 2011 07:47 Wrongspeedy wrote:
My specific example was someone who didn't like to use Infestors, but liked Mutalisks, and only wanted advice on how to Mutalisk better. My advice was, well if you have a weakness that is using infestors, make it your strength and you will be a much better player. Its an obvious and generic comment that I think is helpful to someone who could be frustrated. But for the sake of the forum, and out of respect to the poster, you cannot argue that it wouldn't have been better for me to at least watch his replay's before replying, to at least see if that could have been helpful, or see what other advice would have been more applicable to that situation. The fact is, if they are willing to post replay's, you need to be willing to watch them before criticizing them. While I agree that you can give helpful advice without the replay, there is no way to argue that it wouldn't be better with.
You should have just told him to switch races. It would have been just as irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Q How do I use mutas better?
A Make infestors!
I can picture the mods head butting the wall until grey stuff oozes out of their heads.
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On June 18 2011 09:23 Deja Thoris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 07:47 Wrongspeedy wrote:
My specific example was someone who didn't like to use Infestors, but liked Mutalisks, and only wanted advice on how to Mutalisk better. My advice was, well if you have a weakness that is using infestors, make it your strength and you will be a much better player. Its an obvious and generic comment that I think is helpful to someone who could be frustrated. But for the sake of the forum, and out of respect to the poster, you cannot argue that it wouldn't have been better for me to at least watch his replay's before replying, to at least see if that could have been helpful, or see what other advice would have been more applicable to that situation. The fact is, if they are willing to post replay's, you need to be willing to watch them before criticizing them. While I agree that you can give helpful advice without the replay, there is no way to argue that it wouldn't be better with.
You should have just told him to switch races. It would have been just as irrelevant to the topic at hand. Q How do I use mutas better? A Make infestors! I can picture the mods head butting the wall until grey stuff oozes out of their heads.
Not when the player clearly says, he doesn't like infestors, so he doesn't use them. Its also the only Zerg unit you will ever hear a Zerg player say is overpowered. I believe more than one pro player has said that. And my general statement of how he should get better was. Take his weakness and make it his strength, its actually the easiest way to get better.
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Isn't there a rule somewhere about arguing with a highlighted name or a mod
You guys are doing all of these things. Don't argue with people who are demonstrably smarter than you. it isn't your right. this is a community. their community. you can be excluded. THAT is how rights fall into all this.
it's not elitism to admit that you're not smarter than someone who can prove that they know more than you do.
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Im working at the school where we held my Grandmas funeral so I just skimmed through the OP and I agree totally, this has to stop. I'll re-read when I get home.
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On June 16 2011 20:08 zatic wrote:Zatic's Strat Forum Rant #35At work (Strategy)At work (Closed)This has been a minor nuisance before, but now it's becoming epidemic. I see so many people prefacing their posts with "I'm at work so can't watch replays but [...]", people writing their [H] thread only to end with "I'm at work will post replays later", and all kinds of variations like "at school", "at my mom's funeral", etc. .. This shit needs to stop. "I'm at work" sets off all mod alarm bells in my head. If the post following your "I'm at work" is not outstanding it's basically an auto-warning / -ban. It's the Starcraft 2 Strategy equivalent of martyring. For one you shouldn't be posting on TL while you are at work anyway, but that's your decision. Moreover though it shows disrespect to the OP, your fellow posters, and the mods holding this place together. And I don't buy the "work" anyway half of you people claim to be at. Most just say this as a supposedly convenient way to get around posting or watching replays. If you really happen to be at work and you happen to have enough time to write up a 5 page guide, then email it to yourself and post it from home when you have your replays. Same for giving advice. You are not helping anyone if you post without having watched the replay, and it's incredibly rude towards the person seeking help too. So please. Don't operate TL when under the influence, or when you are at work. And if you still want to, don't use it as an excuse to break Strategy forum guidelines.
You should probably just mass voidrays. 
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this post doesn't follow the guidelines of the strategy forum, and should have been posted in the general forum, please move.
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I couldn't read the whole OP because I'm at work but I think the problem is that the timings on the moderation isn't optimal...
Thanks for posting this, Would have loved to see someone post a random replay from something ridiculous from the campaign or something in a 'what did i do wrong' thread to see how many people would post advice anyway.
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Some of the arguments against this policy are mind boggling.
I like to refer to this
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you.
TL Ten Commandments right here if anyone would like to be reminded.
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On June 18 2011 05:20 tokicheese wrote:
If someone does post something like the one above me what would watching the replay actually do? If your in bronze 90% of people need to just macro better. If I'm helping out a Mr. Bronze as you say I start every post with very general advice work on your macro scout etc then work down to more detailed advice like micro tricks. Watching a bronze re
I feel the biggest problem with giving general advice is that it is often too general. When you tell Mr. Bronze to "macro better" it really doesn't convey any real useful information. I feel it would be much more useful if the advice were more specific. Perhaps the player has solid mechanics, but just isn't sure how many production facilities you can support off 2base. Maybe everything else is decent but he gets supply blocked often, and needs to work on keeping track of his supply. Or it could be something as simple as stopping worker production too early or bad inject timing. There's no way to know what issues the player is having with his macro (or any other part of his game) by just reading the post.
Responding to a [H] thread by telling the player to macro better is like telling a hockey team "You could have won that game if you had scored more goals." Yes it's true, and yes it's generally good advice, but it really doesn't help anyone improve.
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9 pages of uptight dudes debating over what contributions are worthy enough for them? I don't get it, aren't we all friends here in this SC2 COMMUNITY who want a place to come and stimulate each-other with SC2 discussion?
How about, since it seems like a number of us (me included) DONT have a problem with someone wanting to contribute to our thread, and DONT want mods baning/warning people who do contribute while not being able to view a replay, can it at least be up to the OP? I don't think it's right to penalize people who contribute their time to help me for free.
And before I myself get banned or warned or deported for speaking up, I just wanna say to those with opposing opinions, I get it.. I get why your annoyed and I get why you want this strict, structured community to make sure the quality of information is maintained. I'm a guest here as all of you are so I want to respect the rules, but I gotta speak up this time.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 18 2011 11:02 Otsuka wrote:
9 pages of uptight dudes debating over what contributions are worthy enough for them? I don't get it, aren't we all friends here in this SC2 COMMUNITY who want a place to come and stimulate each-other with SC2 discussion?
How about, since it seems like a number of us (me included) DONT have a problem with someone wanting to contribute to our thread, and DONT want mods baning/warning people who do contribute while not being able to view a replay, can it at least be up to the OP? I don't think it's right to penalize people who contribute their time to help me for free.
And before I myself get banned or warned or deported for speaking up, I just wanna say to those with opposing opinions, I get it.. I get why your annoyed and I get why you want this strict, structured community to make sure the quality of information is maintained. I'm a guest here as all of you are so I want to respect the rules, but I gotta speak up this time.
You think you're going to be banned for this post? There are pages and pages of people saying the same thing as you and no one in this thread has been banned. I would type up a counter argument, but I would just be repeating exactly what has been said countless times already. Also, you shouldn't bump old topics like this if you're just going to say the same thing that has been said 20 times already.
By the way, there are plenty of other sc2 forums, just use them if you want advice from anyone and everyone.
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"if you don't like it get out" is the response I expected lol. Just wanted to let my voice be heard, since I felt strongly about this, and TL wishes to [accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible]. RELEASE the Kraken of uptightness within you everyone this community could be so chill
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"Haven't watched the replay cause I'm at work, but marauders are a strong unit against protoss, building a number of these and keeping good macro / micro with concussive shells can hold off most protoss aggression."
... replay shows the guy getting void ray rushed
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Zatic is it inappropriate to post if "I'm on a boat"?
On July 18 2011 11:02 Otsuka wrote:
And before I myself get banned or warned or deported for speaking up, I just wanna say to those with opposing opinions, I get it.. I get why your annoyed and I get why you want this strict, structured community to make sure the quality of information is maintained. I'm a guest here as all of you are so I want to respect the rules, but I gotta speak up this time.
Go to the ban list and look at how many are labeled as By Request or Martyr. Don't say:
I'll probably get banned but
Don't ban me for this but
Whatever ban me I don't care
Before I get myself banned..
It's a sure way to get banned even if your post isn't objectionable at all.
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On July 18 2011 11:02 Otsuka wrote:
9 pages of uptight dudes debating over what contributions are worthy enough for them? I don't get it, aren't we all friends here in this SC2 COMMUNITY who want a place to come and stimulate each-other with SC2 discussion?
How about, since it seems like a number of us (me included) DONT have a problem with someone wanting to contribute to our thread, and DONT want mods baning/warning people who do contribute while not being able to view a replay, can it at least be up to the OP? I don't think it's right to penalize people who contribute their time to help me for free.
And before I myself get banned or warned or deported for speaking up, I just wanna say to those with opposing opinions, I get it.. I get why your annoyed and I get why you want this strict, structured community to make sure the quality of information is maintained. I'm a guest here as all of you are so I want to respect the rules, but I gotta speak up this time.
It's your choice whether you want detailed advice from people who have watched your game and know exactly what you did wrong, or if you'd rather have general advice and irrelevant advice from someone who thinks they know how you play.
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Go to the ban list and look at how many are labeled as By Request or Martyr. Don't say:
I'll probably get banned but
Don't ban me for this but
Whatever ban me I don't care
Before I get myself banned..
It's a sure way to get banned even if your post isn't objectionable at all.
hahaha i get it I get it, I even get banned for predicting ill get banned... as ironic a conundrum as that is. Thats kind of my point though, the banning and policing that goes on here due to everyone's short patience level is reinforcing and satisfying to you, but to me it's just silly. We're all grown men and women here, it's just silly the way a lot of you treat each other on these forums.
But back on topic, I didn't realize it was my choice to allow advice from everyone as the previous poster said so I'm content with that!
So guys lets just end it at that, after all I have to.... *Dr. Evil pinky-to-the-mouth-gesture*...... get back to work..... LOL.
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Go read the posting guidelines. gg.
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I wanted to post my own biased and untested opinions about this topic, but I am too busy having sex with my wife while she's having a baby. I'm also at work, at school, and at a little league game. So yeah, I can't watch the replay.
I know what you're thinking--why am I wasting my time posting when I'm obviously too busy to post, but I'll post replays explaining why when I get home.
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The fact is that debating this warning by Zatic is pointless.
TL is not a public democratic forum, as far as I know. It's a private community that is kind enough to, basically, "let everyone in". The mods decide, we oblige. That's all there is to it !
I personally think the less people will uninformedly answer to the [H] thread, the better the content on this site will be. I think Zatic brings up an important issue and the warning is only fair.
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Yes please. I remember one of the latest help threads I posted in on the strategy; the first THREE posts where "im at work so i cant watch, but you should really have done the <obvious answer here>". And upon watching it, the player had done that thing but needed help cleaning it up. It's not rare, and it too often leaves the player in need clueless.
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