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Charon1979
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria317 Posts
March 24 2011 18:33 GMT
#321
sorry but your obvious trolling gets old.

You are just trying to proof your point of view by refering to exceptions.

There are much more examples of these tactics you mention simply not working or going terribly wrong than their successful execution.

You are basically saying "Jumping out of a plane without parachute is a very good way to get where you want without haveing to check out and call a taxi. My point is absolutely vaild because there are people who survived it!"

Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 24 2011 19:17 GMT
#322
On March 25 2011 03:16 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 00:25 Big J wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 25 2011 00:15 lorkac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2011 19:06 Big J wrote:
GSTL spoiler. Really sorry for forgeting the spoilers initially :S

+ Show Spoiler +
Hey to all the "IMLosira can beat everything and is sooo good" out there, he just lost against SlayerS_Alica. He tried to banelingbust and all Alicia had was 1canon+1sentry, but he held. From there on Alicia was way way ahead and though Losira played well from there on, he had no chance coming back.

But hey, all zergs should all in all the time LOL.


Gasp! That simply makes Losira's record against that (a lot)-1! Quickly folks, simply having a really good record is not enough, it's either flawless undefeated no mistakes whatsoever in any way shape or form OR DEATH!

Seriously though, you sound like someone who flipped heads twice, and when you flipped tails the third time you've assumed that heads will never happen again.

No strats are fullproof and SlayersAlicia is a good player.




its not the amount of loses from Losira that bothers me. Its the fact that a lot of nonzergs say that "Losira will break this and that" and then the situation occurs, and he loses to 1sentry! Alicia had 1sentry and Losira pretty much lost right there, so I think this pretty much proofes our point: going offensive against a Protoss can just lose you the game, because if it fails, you just dont do ANY damage, while when you lose a small-medium push as Protoss like the 3gate expansion push, you force and kill at least a lot of zerglings and only get behind.


actually, the first time it happened Losira roflstomped LiquidHuk. Julyzerg also roflstomped slayersfrozen and july's one win against MC was because MC fast expanded (and That was when MC had about 6-7 sentries)

please try again.




Im just gonna reply to what you wrote with quotes, as you obviously didnt read what I wrote, yet:

Zerg CAN do all-ins, but they are way weaker than T/Ps all-ins. they ONLY work if T or P takes a risk.
1base roach all in occurs against a NEXUS FIRST build. (some guy against HuK)
Banelings busting barracks occurs against CC FIRST builds. (JulyZerg)
2base Roach all-in occurs against Protoss 3gate expanding and then rushing for colossi.
Baneling busting down Protoss wall-in occured against Forge-fast expand into 1Gateway, Cybercore, double Stargate (Fruitdealer)


I just want to say:
ZvP isn't OP in a way because Zerg can react to everything Protoss does, but it's way harder to decide what to do and way more unforgiving to make mistakes.

because
going offensive against a Protoss can just lose you the game, because if it fails, you just dont do ANY damage, while when you lose a small-medium push as Protoss like the 3gate expansion push, you force and kill at least a lot of zerglings and only get behind.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
March 25 2011 00:16 GMT
#323
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 25 2011 00:25 Big J wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 25 2011 00:15 lorkac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2011 19:06 Big J wrote:
GSTL spoiler. Really sorry for forgeting the spoilers initially :S

+ Show Spoiler +
Hey to all the "IMLosira can beat everything and is sooo good" out there, he just lost against SlayerS_Alica. He tried to banelingbust and all Alicia had was 1canon+1sentry, but he held. From there on Alicia was way way ahead and though Losira played well from there on, he had no chance coming back.

But hey, all zergs should all in all the time LOL.


Gasp! That simply makes Losira's record against that (a lot)-1! Quickly folks, simply having a really good record is not enough, it's either flawless undefeated no mistakes whatsoever in any way shape or form OR DEATH!

Seriously though, you sound like someone who flipped heads twice, and when you flipped tails the third time you've assumed that heads will never happen again.

No strats are fullproof and SlayersAlicia is a good player.




its not the amount of loses from Losira that bothers me. Its the fact that a lot of nonzergs say that "Losira will break this and that" and then the situation occurs, and he loses to 1sentry! Alicia had 1sentry and Losira pretty much lost right there, so I think this pretty much proofes our point: going offensive against a Protoss can just lose you the game, because if it fails, you just dont do ANY damage, while when you lose a small-medium push as Protoss like the 3gate expansion push, you force and kill at least a lot of zerglings and only get behind.


Finally watched that game. The failed bust revealed the entire protoss tech tree and allowed Losira to saturate 2 bases. Losira then goes on to mass a bunch of roaches versus the voidrays he knew was coming. Yup, busting was what caused the loss and not the building of roaches vs voidrays, totally man.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 25 2011 08:43 GMT
#324
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 25 2011 09:16 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 00:25 Big J wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 25 2011 00:15 lorkac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2011 19:06 Big J wrote:
GSTL spoiler. Really sorry for forgeting the spoilers initially :S

+ Show Spoiler +
Hey to all the "IMLosira can beat everything and is sooo good" out there, he just lost against SlayerS_Alica. He tried to banelingbust and all Alicia had was 1canon+1sentry, but he held. From there on Alicia was way way ahead and though Losira played well from there on, he had no chance coming back.

But hey, all zergs should all in all the time LOL.


Gasp! That simply makes Losira's record against that (a lot)-1! Quickly folks, simply having a really good record is not enough, it's either flawless undefeated no mistakes whatsoever in any way shape or form OR DEATH!

Seriously though, you sound like someone who flipped heads twice, and when you flipped tails the third time you've assumed that heads will never happen again.

No strats are fullproof and SlayersAlicia is a good player.




its not the amount of loses from Losira that bothers me. Its the fact that a lot of nonzergs say that "Losira will break this and that" and then the situation occurs, and he loses to 1sentry! Alicia had 1sentry and Losira pretty much lost right there, so I think this pretty much proofes our point: going offensive against a Protoss can just lose you the game, because if it fails, you just dont do ANY damage, while when you lose a small-medium push as Protoss like the 3gate expansion push, you force and kill at least a lot of zerglings and only get behind.


Finally watched that game. The failed bust revealed the entire protoss tech tree and allowed Losira to saturate 2 bases. Losira then goes on to mass a bunch of roaches versus the voidrays he knew was coming. Yup, busting was what caused the loss and not the building of roaches vs voidrays, totally man.



Yeah, he should have made his T1 Hydras instead, without the lair he didnt had because he needed his gas for the baneling bust... HE COULD ONLY MAKE ROACHES, ZERGLINGS AND BANELINGS
but I guess Losira didnt know that roaches cant shoot air, maybe it was his first game...
so to sum up his choices:
1) making any of these makes you go: he made the wrong units
2) making drones make you go: he was a greedy macro zerg, and just didnt have anything
3) not busting make you go: he should have busted the wall and he would have "easily" taken the game

but hey, ofc you are better than Losira, you would have held that voidray attack easily without the right tech for it

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