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novabossa

United States350 Posts

June 15 2011 14:57 GMT

#321

On June 15 2011 12:50 Automata wrote:
Does anyone have replays for 3gate expand (not FFE on shakuras or tal darim)?

These days, people have realized that 3 gate expand is a bad build (like RSVP above me said). It might be ok if the zerg is saccing econ to all-in or semi all-in you, but against any fast hatch and/or heavy droning builds you're ridiculously behind. I'm a huge advocate of forge expands. Very safe against all-ins assuming stargate follow-up. On maps with wide open naturals though (i.e. Xel Naga Caverns, Metalopolis, etc.) the current trend is to sentry expand off 1 gate.

sjschmidt93

United States2518 Posts

June 15 2011 15:09 GMT

#322

On June 15 2011 12:50 Automata wrote:
Does anyone have replays for 3gate expand (not FFE on shakuras or tal darim)?

3-gate expand just isn't safe anymore. I'd suggest you take a look at MC and Naniwa's replays from MLG Columbus. You almost have to go void-ray expand (or vise versa) or DT expand (or vice versa)

Alejandrisha

United States6566 Posts

June 15 2011 15:14 GMT

#323

I like that you included how strong stalkers were against slow lings but I think you could elaborate on how to exploit that. Since if you get a stalker after your zealot against a guy who open speed lings you can pretty much only clear your tower before having to run home.

Perhaps you should specify when you can actually use your stalker(s) to harass.
For example, you scout pool-hatch or hatch first. Note the timing of the extractor- you have 3 minutes and several seconds before speed is done from the time it begins construction. You can either just go stalker after the first zealot to harass with a single stalker or do this old build that I've been revisiting lately-

9py
14gate
15gas
16py
17gate (cut a probe)
17core

2 stalkers, cb'd,
start wg

pylon
expansion
2nd gas
forge
gate
cannon

palanq

United States761 Posts

June 15 2011 16:32 GMT

#324

On June 16 2011 00:09 sjschmidt93 wrote:

Show nested quote +

3-gate expand just isn't safe anymore. I'd suggest you take a look at MC and Naniwa's replays from MLG Columbus. You almost have to go void-ray expand (or vise versa) or DT expand (or vice versa)

you can make it safe. MC also did this 1 gate, 2gas sentry expo --> 3 gates where he chronoboosts out sentries from the one gateway before putting down the nexus. Gates #2/3 are built at the appropriate time for the (now-later) warpgate tech research. I think there is only 1 or 2 chronos on the warpgate research.

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