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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
Neo Emerald Plaza RE 126x150 Published on NA , EU Mapximum2 2nd place & Team Liquid Map Contest5 6th place & MotM January 2015 1st place ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FXzvlAG.jpg) Aesthetics + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Es8QWio.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ic2iPNj.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9pMYQrX.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oOfJ888.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9JJ4uWk.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KHtc2eH.jpg) Twitter : @IeZaeLSC2Maps | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
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Unsane
Canada170 Posts
On a serious note, could we have an analyzer? | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0jN3b1d.jpg) | ||
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On the other hand the map has some ridiculous proxy pylon/oracle placements so it would probably make zergs cry too :D | ||
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sTYleZerG-eX
Mexico473 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
On October 12 2014 06:53 Yonnua wrote: Is it possible to warp/blink into the main from the third? They're on the same level, right? No you cant warp in from the third to the main. Would be too imba. Doodads are there for a reason. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2141 Posts
Great layout otherwise. edit: didn't notice that literally the entire side is blocked off by rocks, pls disregard the previous complaint. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On October 12 2014 19:59 -NegativeZero- wrote: Is it even possible to do a nexus wall? Not being able to wall normally is already bad, lack of nexus wall basically kills it. Great layout otherwise. edit: didn't notice that literally the entire side is blocked off by rocks, pls disregard the previous complaint. Yeah, the rocks should buy a Protoss enough time to kill the collapsible rocks and hold his natural. It's quite a clever and interesting map. | ||
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IeZaeL
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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IeZaeL
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Superbanana
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
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Pino
1032 Posts
 nice job | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mI6si2f.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2QIPZm5.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cvnL0zS.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PjyFZQK.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7ZbOi1u.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/met26Gz.jpg) | ||
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zelevin
United States241 Posts
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-NegativeZero-
United States2141 Posts
On October 31 2014 14:47 zelevin wrote: Why are there only seven mineral patches at the blue third? because NON-STANDARD! | ||
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FrozenProbe
Italy276 Posts
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TheTasty
Mexico33 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kke763o.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4qq5rxt.jpg) | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oLsayp1.jpg) | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
ZvZ - me vs Toastie: http://drop.sc/388711 TvP - me vs Toastie: http://drop.sc/388712 --> the ones you observed anyways TvZ - me going Turtlemech: http://drop.sc/388713 Edit: Toastie's hardware was not working properly. So after playing the map a bit here are a few thoughts: - one geyser at the natural is off - Attacking into a 3rd base is very hard. It's very simple to sit above those rocks and make it hard to even break them, and once they are broken down, both offensive ramps are very small. I think at least the 2x should be made 3x. - The watchtower is a little unnecessary, since the attack path is overlooked quite easily anyways - I think if you could broaden up the middle where the XNWT is right now it could counteract the power of forcefields and mech somewhat. In particular when it comes to units like ultralisks I think this could be very problematic. What I really love about the map is the expansion pattern and the powerful highground positions | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 13 2014 04:10 Plexa wrote: Very cool map. Great job. I still think this is an incredible map. Probably top 3 favourite this year. | ||
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Homonuncnunc
United States41 Posts
Isolating all bases after your natural was brilliant in both idea and execution as well. | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On November 07 2014 03:15 Big J wrote: bunch of replays: ZvZ - me vs Toastie: http://drop.sc/388711 TvP - me vs Toastie: http://drop.sc/388712 --> the ones you observed anyways ZOMFG YOU POSTED THOSE T__T Usually I play better guys, I already found out what settings were off =( | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
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vult
United States9399 Posts
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TheTasty
Mexico33 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
Neo Emerald Plaza is coming guys! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/03hOltc.jpg) | ||
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JaredStarr
Canada115 Posts
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Xenotolerance
United States464 Posts
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eTcetRa
Australia822 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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yakitate304
United States655 Posts
On January 10 2015 19:57 OtherWorld wrote: This map should totally be an official WCS map ): It should, and so should a bunch of other community maps, but Blizzard somehow (in 2015!) still thinks they are good at making maps. The upcoming map pool is disgusting. | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7FEJWY8.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0KlhEcK.jpg) | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
On January 14 2015 03:09 IeZaeL wrote: I added some pretty custom runestones doodads. They all got teamcolor , will you find them all ? ( They're 8 in total ) + Show Spoiler [Dem Custom Runestones] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rDIQpV8.gif) Srry m8, i'll have to steal you that one. Or even better, screw your crappy runestones i'll make my own, even more shiny and stuff. | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
On January 14 2015 03:43 Uvantak wrote: + Show Spoiler [Dem Custom Runestones] + Srry m8, i'll have to steal you that one. Or even better, screw your crappy runestones i'll make my own, even more shiny and stuff. Did I mention they shine every 2 seconds :o ? Go see on skype , I linked the download file | ||
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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nrWKg5x.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q8dbx7x.jpg) | ||
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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SwedenTheKid
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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iMrising
United States1099 Posts
On January 16 2015 10:20 Big J wrote: Love the new middle. Maybe I can get a game or two on Toastie's initiative channel if people were just in the channel while being online. If you see me on msg me :D add me flume.219 | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ... u design on a whole new level <3 | ||
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Shkudde
Netherlands709 Posts
. Great work, the flow and choice of thirds is awesome and gives great strategical depth to the map. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
1) The horizontal 3rd (and eventually 4th) base kind of scares me because of how short the air distance is to ping pong back and forth between them for the attacker but the ground path to defend them is insanely long. It's great because it promotes aggression and harass but you've also got to be careful because players are getting much better and better at harass that it might make certain strategies too strong. Not to mention in if this map gets played on LOTV where each race has even more air/drop harass options. 2) The amount of open space compared to chokes is worrying. I feel like if you turtle up extremely hard, mech? swarm hosts? collosus/templar, use a lot of static D to defend against the drops/harass you are basically fine to just camp because every single entrance to any of your bases is either a 2x or 3x ramp. To me it feels like if this gets end game, and one player is turtleing, it's going to become very stale because they'll slowly creep across the map horizontally until they get all their bases and then just sit there defending on their 2x wide ramps. A couple tanks, thors, turrets & sensor tower at your forward 3rd, a pfort just to semi-block off your natural and the enemy now has very limited attack paths and those limited attack paths are extremely choked. I have one idea that I'd like you to test out, it'd open the map up a bit, I'll include it in a picture at the bottom. Basically change some of the high ground to low ground, possibly add a new ramp, etc etc. 3) I wonder if you should try to rotate the gold bases 90 degrees clockwise (so the minerals have their backs to the middle of the map) and then try removing the rocks to the gold base. Currently with the rocks there it just limits the options of taking a quick gold third. To me, it feels like it'll turn into a lot of, "let's 2 base all-in, as I'm about to push out, I'll destroy those gold rocks so if my push fails I can hopefully fall back on that." So, my idea is to rotate the golds and remove the rocks and now I believe it'll open up more possibilities. Suddenly you can take the fast gold, but now it's a lot more harass-able from the center (aka the main focus early/mid game) of the map. Now if you want that gold you have to take control of the center of the map, which plays into the whole risk vs reward. Again, I by no means dislike this map, you know it's awesome, I know it's awesome. I'm just voicing some of my concerns for you to think about. ps. Here's a photo of my ideas because text is too hard! :D + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AblTHPX.jpg) Great job, these type of aesthetics are one of my favorites to look at and to play on. I made my skylands map with some of these textures...I really need to make a new map with them too, love it. | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
I really like the gold bases suggestion , I will probably change something about it in the near future. You know what , the lowground suggestion was one of the first ideas that I came up with while redesigning the center. But it completely changed the central concept of the map , a narrow center path , and that's not what im looking for. I agree that particular area needs some work though. | ||
Thandeant
United States3 Posts
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JaredStarr
Canada115 Posts
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IeZaeL
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
I'm going to reiterate some concerns about choke points - like Sidian brought up, your largest ramps are 3x and some of them are blocked off by rocks. My understanding is that you want the center of the map to be relatively isolated from the side lanes, at least during the early-to-mid game. The problem with this is that by late game, the chokes may be too small. It's really difficult to suggest changes that wouldn't interfere with the theme of the rest of the map. I think you could get away with making the 1x blocked ramp a 2x blocked ramp. You may want to increase the 2x ramp from the high yield expansions that leads to the naturals to a 3x one. The reasoning behind that is that pathway is going to be one of the more important ones early game since it's the only open one that can lead you the opponent's third. I really love the design for the map. The two entrance natural is something that I've tried before, but never got it down as well as what you've done here. I also love how proxy-friendly this map is. There are many places to hide proxies which is exciting (and scary) to think about. Players better scout well!  | ||
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IeZaeL
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8zSKoUI.jpg) Changelog ; 1. Gold bases now normal bases, with rocks covering one of its sides 2. Center north-south bases are now slightly rotated to reflect the map flow 3.Natural ramp is now 1square away from the natural choke. Should allow for easier simcity 4.Highground third/fourth allows for easier simcity and building placements This update hopefully brings the map back to its old tug of war in the early game gameplay , while providing other attack paths to use in the mid-late game. Gl,hf. | ||
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
Your map is amazing! Great job, and good luck in the competitions! | ||
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Blizzkrieg
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KShzEZ6.jpg) Remember, it's a fairly small horizontal map, only 124 map bounds and from looking at that image you can basically hold 4 base on a 2x wide ramp and a 1x wide ramp. It gets even easier as terran if you place a sensor tower at the pink location because that's such a long ground path to go that route you'll have plenty of time to react if the enemy takes that path. Even protoss could put a pylon up by the rocks to detect if the enemy is coming, and zerg will have creep / overlords in the area. Maybe it's just me, and I know I already said this already, and I believe you said you weren't going to change it up, but I'd still love something like this instead: (awesome photoshopping!) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jMy0spD.jpg) Either way, best of luck with it in Map-ximum and TLMC, it still is quite the solid map. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
Following Plexa advice , I made the central ramps from x2 ---> x3 and adding a second set of rocks on top of it. So the map is still a bit more open in the mid-late game , but blocked in the early , as breaking only 1 of the rock will create a 1x choke , wallable nimbus style with barracks+depot. Thoughts? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Pcivduu.jpg) | ||
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treebog
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IeZaeL
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On February 25 2015 10:29 Uvantak wrote: Blizzard loves variety on the map pool, I wouldn't be surprised or mad at all if Neo Emerald made it. Well I figured after we got so many Blizzard maps this season, we might get a disproportionate number of community maps next season. So everyone's would fit. :D | ||
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IeZaeL
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 25 2015 12:16 pure.Wasted wrote: Well I figured after we got so many Blizzard maps this season, we might get a disproportionate number of community maps next season. So everyone's would fit. :D Don't worry, they'll keep Secret Spring and Inferno Pools because they "really want to see how the innovative ideas that can be found in these maps play out in the long run". But yeah hopefully NEP make it to the ladder as well, it's really fun to play on. | ||
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IeZaeL
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
Update time  | ||
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Ej_
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Timetwister22
United States538 Posts
On April 24 2015 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I love how it looks more and more standard with every edit. That's kinda how 'crazy'/experimental maps go. You start crazy, and just tap a little more toward standard with each update until the map becomes acceptably balanced/playable. | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
On April 24 2015 04:06 Ej_ wrote: I love how it looks more and more standard with every edit. Muahaha im going to do a Neo Coda Plaza or a Neo Emerald Coda. What do you prefer? | ||
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eTcetRa
Australia822 Posts
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GGuMake
United States74 Posts
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Blizzkrieg
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SwedenTheKid
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 24 2015 04:12 Timetwister22 wrote: That's kinda how 'crazy'/experimental maps go. You start crazy, and just tap a little more toward standard with each update until the map becomes acceptably balanced/playable. Yeah but... well I don't know, I'm not sure the latest version is the best, but that's probably just me. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
On April 24 2015 04:12 Timetwister22 wrote: That's kinda how 'crazy'/experimental maps go. You start crazy, and just tap a little more toward standard with each update until the map becomes acceptably balanced/playable. Either you die a crazy map or you live long enough to see yourself become standard | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:29 algue wrote: Either you die a crazy map or you live long enough to see yourself become standard At this point, I don't even know what people are calling standard | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
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IIEclipseII
Germany157 Posts
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-NegativeZero-
United States2141 Posts
On February 20 2017 23:00 IIEclipseII wrote: its aesthetic porn, but like negativezero said, a lot of areas are way too open/ too hard to wall. Also it will make problems microing in certain Matchups. Walling is really important in sc2. Also probably a lot of players dont do this below Masters. wait when did i say that? | ||
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